EPT[M] The Dark Knight Rises (SPOILERS) - Page 49
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
 felt like the movie was a lot more connected to begins than dark knight, so I recommend a refresher with at least batman begins if you have limited time lol+ Show Spoiler + the biggest thing I hated however, was the mob of police charging towards ... a couple of tanks and a shitload of mercs with guns. The strategy gamer within was just SCREAMING at the idiocy of that scene. Seriosuly, almost all the ppolice should've been shot dead before they even reached the merc lol. Like only 5 or so police officers got shot before the brawl hapened? Reallly???? Either the mercs were blinder than a bat, or only like two of them had a workking gun ... Wish they had made that scene more strategically smarter ugh .. Also wish bruce wayne died, but its hollywood so w/e. If this was shot by a korean director, batman would've died 100% for sure, along with probably almost everyone else lolololol Overall a great film though, worth the watch | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 20 2012 17:42 Bigtony wrote: Not sure if serious with this one line "it was decent." "It was just ok." "it failed." really guys? wtf is wrong with you. Pacing was awesome. You are hooked from the start and it's honestly very difficult to guess what will happen next. We have some very vague ideas (Batman wins! ya!!) but you WILL be surprised at points (in a very good way). Bane failed as a villain? Which movie were you watching? If you liked Batman Begins and The Dark Knight you will like this movie. If you're a stuck up prick from the internet you should just never go watch movies ever. This is the forum where half the people here hate SC2 simply for not being BW with better graphics. It's also the internet, breeding grounds for hipsters, trolls, and kids with low self esteem trying to validate themselves by setting their standards so high that they must be above it all! Remember, when youre on the internet, having a strong opinion about anything automatically means youre less refined than other people. Yeah it's annoying when people hate on something you really love, but not much you can do but accept that everyone can have an opinion. I loved the movie too. There were some flaws (easily made up by all the positives in the movie), but it was a great movie. Haters gonna hate. Edit: understatements. I'm still pumped up, energized, and motivated almost 2 hours after the movie. Probably gonna be the best movie I'll see all year, well unless the Hobbit can top that. | ||
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Shortynut
Australia78 Posts
Go and watch it!!!! Go buy a ticket and watch it TWICE! It is that good you will walk out and need 10 minutes to adjust to reality. GOOOO SEEEE EEEEET | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
All I can say is that I am so glad I apparently have much lower standards than most people when it comes to movies. I can't imagine what itd be like sitting in a theater thinking about why the Joker didn't kill everyone at Wayne's party (the Joker wasn't a guy who just kills random people. He's a bigger villain than that, otherwise he wouldn't be a great villain), or trying to delve into the complex psychology of madmen and serial killers and how traumatized youths don't usually become superheroes or supervillains (yeah...actually most people don't become superheroes or supervillains regardless of their backgrounds. Thats why were watching a movie here, because we want to see a spectacular story about extraordinary people. General psychology is pretty irrelevant), or whatever. It annoys me when people do all this shit because there are 2 inevitable conclusions to this kind of thinking: 1. If it fits into your mold of "reality", then it was predictable and boring. 2. If it doesn't fit your mold of "reality", then it was disjointed, not believable, and impossible to follow. And then theres the people who care so much about hte predecessor movie that it's nearly impossible to please them without pretty much handing them the same movie (which then fits into #1 above). Seriously, I find it hard to believe that you guys can enjoy any movie at all. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
"oh man I wish batman died" or "why doesn't robin have a suit?" + Show Spoiler + 1. Bane as a villain ultimately could not come close to the Joker. Holding the city hostage for what reason? He wanted to do what rhaz al gul couldn't, but his other motive was to break the people of gotham as well as batman in a seemingly revolutionary fashion. But what ended up happening? All he did was release prisoners and set hell on earth into motion. There was no turmoil or potential revolution occurring, it was just criminals ransacking the whole city in chaos without the police to stop them. He wasn't glimmering the city with hope like he originally intended and what I felt should have been the main theme, the same way the joker wanted to prove the true nature of humans. What was supposed to be yet another struggle for the people of gotham to try and take control for themselves was never shown, not even once. 2. Miranda. Miranda was completely unnecessary. The badass that was supposed to have escaped hell, somehow superior to batman and someone born of darkness was working behind the scenes and her biggest achievement was basically sleeping with batman. Not really that badass for someone with her upbringing. She was basically just a plot twist for people to gawk at and say they either saw it coming or didn't. And her motive? Biggest bullshit ever, and really made her character not worthwhile. She hates her father, and basically just hates batman because he took her chance at revenge away. I mean, it's not the most absurd thing we've heard of in the past decade of super villains, but when it's conveyed in maybe 15 seconds and it wasn't built well up to that point then it's completely unnecessary. I think this was one of the main reasons most people thought bane failed as well. Bane was never the person we thought he was. 3. Batman's transformation. It's late and I'd have to think on it, but I think it definitely lacked focus. It's the same thing as in the previous movies. So someone tells him he should be afraid of death and all of a sudden he is? I think robin's story was way better in that regard, and his challenges seemed more gripping and original. Again, I liked the movie, but it wasn't better than the second. The movie definitely could've ended at the second, nolan just wanted a box office hit. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 20 2012 21:11 Itsmedudeman wrote: I'll try to convey why people seem to not like it, or think it was far inferior to the dark knight in a manner that hopefully doesn't dissolve into + Show Spoiler + "oh man I wish batman died" or "why doesn't robin have a suit?" + Show Spoiler + 1. Bane as a villain ultimately could not come close to the Joker. Holding the city hostage for what reason? He wanted to do what rhaz al gul couldn't, but his other motive was to break the people of gotham as well as batman in a seemingly revolutionary fashion. But what ended up happening? All he did was release prisoners and set hell on earth into motion. There was no turmoil or potential revolution occurring, it was just criminals ransacking the whole city in chaos without the police to stop them. He wasn't glimmering the city with hope like he originally intended and what I felt should have been the main theme, the same way the joker wanted to prove the true nature of humans. What was supposed to be yet another struggle for the people of gotham to try and take control for themselves was never shown, not even once. 2. Miranda. Miranda was completely unnecessary. The badass that was supposed to have escaped hell, somehow superior to batman and someone born of darkness was working behind the scenes and her biggest achievement was basically sleeping with batman. Not really that badass for someone with her upbringing. She was basically just a plot twist for people to gawk at and say they either saw it coming or didn't. And her motive? Biggest bullshit ever, and really made her character not worthwhile. She hates her father, and basically just hates batman because he took her chance at revenge away. I mean, it's not the most absurd thing we've heard of in the past decade of super villains, but when it's conveyed in maybe 15 seconds and it wasn't built well up to that point then it's completely unnecessary. I think this was one of the main reasons most people thought bane failed as well. Bane was never the person we thought he was. 3. Batman's transformation. It's late and I'd have to think on it, but I think it definitely lacked focus. It's the same thing as in the previous movies. So someone tells him he should be afraid of death and all of a sudden he is? I think robin's story was way better in that regard, and his challenges seemed more gripping and original. Again, I liked the movie, but it wasn't better than the second. The movie definitely could've ended at the second, nolan just wanted a box office hit. Agree with you about points 1 and 2 in your spoiler. I disagree with point 3 but I don't really have much to say besides just personal preference. About your last point though, I don't like it when people automatically accuse someone of being all about the money. Pretty harsh attack on someones character without any kind of backup. Christopher Nolan has never shown himself to be a sell out. I dont see what in TDKR suggests that to you besides the fact that you didn't like it as much as TDK | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On July 20 2012 20:46 Supamang wrote: + Show Spoiler + Went back a couple pages to reread all the negative comments about TDK and TDKR. All I can say is that I am so glad I apparently have much lower standards than most people when it comes to movies. I can't imagine what itd be like sitting in a theater thinking about why the Joker didn't kill everyone at Wayne's party (the Joker wasn't a guy who just kills random people. He's a bigger villain than that, otherwise he wouldn't be a great villain), or trying to delve into the complex psychology of madmen and serial killers and how traumatized youths don't usually become superheroes or supervillains (yeah...actually most people don't become superheroes or supervillains regardless of their backgrounds. Thats why were watching a movie here, because we want to see a spectacular story about extraordinary people. General psychology is pretty irrelevant), or whatever. It annoys me when people do all this shit because there are 2 inevitable conclusions to this kind of thinking: 1. If it fits into your mold of "reality", then it was predictable and boring. 2. If it doesn't fit your mold of "reality", then it was disjointed, not believable, and impossible to follow. And then theres the people who care so much about hte predecessor movie that it's nearly impossible to please them without pretty much handing them the same movie (which then fits into #1 above). I enjoy lots of movies. Just because some people don't enjoy Nolan or Batman as much as you do doesn't mean they have problems finding movies to enjoy. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
Great movie, great ending and great ending to the trilogy I actually experienced people chanting at the end of the film, my first and ever experience of this. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On July 20 2012 20:20 Supamang wrote: This is the forum where half the people here hate SC2 simply for not being BW with better graphics. It's also the internet, breeding grounds for hipsters, trolls, and kids with low self esteem trying to validate themselves by setting their standards so high that they must be above it all! Remember, when youre on the internet, having a strong opinion about anything automatically means youre less refined than other people. Yeah it's annoying when people hate on something you really love, but not much you can do but accept that everyone can have an opinion. I loved the movie too. There were some flaws (easily made up by all the positives in the movie), but it was a great movie. Haters gonna hate. Edit: understatements. I'm still pumped up, energized, and motivated almost 2 hours after the movie. Probably gonna be the best movie I'll see all year, well unless the Hobbit can top that. I set my standards high because, well I always do, for pretty much everything. Doesn't matter if it's a movie, a book, an album or people. My standards are high and I refuse to lower them. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy an action flick like Batman (I really liked Batman Begins) but people who call The Dark Knight (Rises) the best movie ever either haven't watched any of the classics or have horrible taste, sorry. Generally, people get pumped up about a movie if the general theme or concept fits their interests. I have absolutely zero interest in superheroes, so I don't watch a lot of superhero movies or comics. On the other hand, I'm very interested in the concept of revolution, so movies like "The Wind That Shakes The Barley" or "V for Vendetta" get me really pumped up whereas other people may find them average. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 20 2012 20:20 Supamang wrote: This is the forum where half the people here hate SC2 simply for not being BW with better graphics. It's also the internet, breeding grounds for hipsters, trolls, and kids with low self esteem trying to validate themselves by setting their standards so high that they must be above it all! Remember, when youre on the internet, having a strong opinion about anything automatically means youre less refined than other people. Yeah it's annoying when people hate on something you really love, but not much you can do but accept that everyone can have an opinion. I loved the movie too. There were some flaws (easily made up by all the positives in the movie), but it was a great movie. Haters gonna hate. Edit: understatements. I'm still pumped up, energized, and motivated almost 2 hours after the movie. Probably gonna be the best movie I'll see all year, well unless the Hobbit can top that. Your Brood War analogy fails because TDKR is a better visual experience than the previous 2. That's not the issue. The plot devices they used were VERY obvious to any one paying attention to the movie. Bane is a very bland character or very linear, comparable to Ras A Gul light, I had generally a difficult time caring for the character itself (aka he was very much interchangeable). The development of some characters were fantastic while some others not so much and its this inconsistency that really bothered me since some parts of the movie felt like hey we need to talk about these guys because they weren't around in the first two so we need to catch them up. The pacing is well-done in that you're never really bored, but I don't think anyone can accuse Nolan of shitty pacing in any of his movies. The problem I have is that this movie came on the heels of the Joker and that in itself is very difficult to match. Did this movie match up to that? No. | ||
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Prox
Netherlands174 Posts
I went to the midnight trilogy in amsterdam, just woke up after a nice 7 hour sleep, My 2 cents: Character development was pretty poor, especially catwoman and Bane. Like the above poster, Bane could have been interchanged with any other villain. Storytelling wise it felt really random and the pacing felt like they were trying way too hard. Lame ass helicopter, I mean come on. Tension built up so awkwardly and was misplaced. I can't follow many thoughtprocesses. Bane was so meh, but then again, nothing comes close to the joker. Only parts that really was Batman to me were the bits with Alfred. And choosing between being the Batman and Bruce Wayne again. When I saw Begins last night I was so excited and hyped, oh my god that movie is the shitz. Then I got even more excited seeing Dark Knight for the 374728th time. I mean bravo, talking about story telling and tension building. To me it was quite a let down. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Pocky52
United States463 Posts
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Did anybody else notice or were all my friends being slow in figuring out that Bane wasn't Ra's Al Guul's child but it was the other woman instead that climbed out of the pit, as it was mentioned that bane got his mask put on in the pit, and Bane said he was a man when he escaped the pit but a child climbed out without the mask too. It was most likely everyone being dumb. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On July 21 2012 03:52 Jaegeru wrote: That was a pretty fucking good movie. + Show Spoiler + Did anybody else notice or were all my friends being slow in figuring out that Bane wasn't Ra's Al Guul's child but it was the other woman instead that climbed out of the pit, as it was mentioned that bane got his mask put on in the pit, and Bane said he was a man when he escaped the pit but a child climbed out without the mask too. It was most likely everyone being dumb. Mwah + Show Spoiler + I just didn't really care that much. I wasn't expecting a twist, and when it happened, it felt a bit odd. The moment the twist took place I kind of just thought to myself: Oke, didn't see that coming, but what does this really change? Not much. A good twist can't just be unexpected, it also has to be atleast a little shocking. This just made me shrug and go, oke. Other than that, great movie and great finish for the trilogy. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
and i understand why movies have gone the direction they have gone, but nolan proves that you can make something meaningful and still have it be sterling entertainment. | ||
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