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On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight.
Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens.
And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film.
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On July 17 2012 20:04 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight. Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens. And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film.
I don't get your "not even the classics" argument. Many of those classics are overrated imo but anyways, let's talk about the dark knight.
First of all it is number 8 in the imdb top 250 list. To achieve that as a "superhero blockbuster film" is not very easy. If you don't believe me you may wanna take a look at the 1-7 films(ie films like the godfater 1&2, pulp fiction,...).
Additionaly, have you actually seen the movie with your eyes and ears open? Did you miss Alfred's story about burning down the wood? Didn't you catch tiny little jokes like "Dent. Jesus. I thought you was dead.- Half." Didn't you see Joker's magic trick? If all those things really didn't appeal to you, well your opinion is completely irrelevant to me cause appearantly our tastes have nothing in common. But I guess you like it when ironman says "I have a plan, attack! "?
And about your "yes men loving everything" argument. I certainly don't like too many movies, but I sure liked tdk A LOT and even batman begins was great imo.
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On July 17 2012 21:59 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:04 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight. Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens. And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film. I don't get your "not even the classics" argument. Many of those classics are overrated imo but anyways, let's talk about the dark knight. First of all it is number 8 in the imdb top 250 list. To achieve that as a "superhero blockbuster film" is not very easy. If you don't believe me you may wanna take a look at the 1-7 films(ie films like the godfater 1&2, pulp fiction,...). Additionaly, have you actually seen the movie with your eyes and ears open? Did you miss Alfred's story about burning down the wood? Didn't you catch tiny little jokes like "Dent. Jesus. I thought you was dead.- Half." Didn't you see Joker's magic trick? If all those things really didn't appeal to you, well your opinion is completely irrelevant to me cause appearantly our tastes have nothing in common. But I guess you like it when ironman says "I have a plan, attack! "? And about your "yes men loving everything" argument. I certainly don't like too many movies, but I sure liked tdk A LOT and even batman begins was great imo.
Dark Knight did a lot of subtlety but really only the Alfred line was one of them of the examples you gave. Dark Knight was a great film because it was one of the only really well written and well acted superhero movies ever done and Dark Knight Rises will most certainly continue this trend.
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I never said that my goal was to list all of the subtlety elements. I wanted to point out a few highlights and took the ones that I remembered first.
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On July 17 2012 22:05 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 21:59 KainiT wrote:On July 17 2012 20:04 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight. Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens. And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film. I don't get your "not even the classics" argument. Many of those classics are overrated imo but anyways, let's talk about the dark knight. First of all it is number 8 in the imdb top 250 list. To achieve that as a "superhero blockbuster film" is not very easy. If you don't believe me you may wanna take a look at the 1-7 films(ie films like the godfater 1&2, pulp fiction,...). Additionaly, have you actually seen the movie with your eyes and ears open? Did you miss Alfred's story about burning down the wood? Didn't you catch tiny little jokes like "Dent. Jesus. I thought you was dead.- Half." Didn't you see Joker's magic trick? If all those things really didn't appeal to you, well your opinion is completely irrelevant to me cause appearantly our tastes have nothing in common. But I guess you like it when ironman says "I have a plan, attack! "? And about your "yes men loving everything" argument. I certainly don't like too many movies, but I sure liked tdk A LOT and even batman begins was great imo. Dark Knight did a lot of subtlety but really only the Alfred line was one of them of the examples you gave. Dark Knight was a great film because it was one of the only really well written and well acted superhero movies ever done and Dark Knight Rises will most certainly continue this trend.
What about Catwoman... Best movie ever?
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On July 17 2012 21:59 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:04 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight. Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens. And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film. I don't get your "not even the classics" argument. Many of those classics are overrated imo but anyways, let's talk about the dark knight. First of all it is number 8 in the imdb top 250 list. To achieve that as a "superhero blockbuster film" is not very easy. If you don't believe me you may wanna take a look at the 1-7 films(ie films like the godfater 1&2, pulp fiction,...). Additionaly, have you actually seen the movie with your eyes and ears open? Did you miss Alfred's story about burning down the wood? Didn't you catch tiny little jokes like "Dent. Jesus. I thought you was dead.- Half." Didn't you see Joker's magic trick? If all those things really didn't appeal to you, well your opinion is completely irrelevant to me cause appearantly our tastes have nothing in common. But I guess you like it when ironman says "I have a plan, attack! "? And about your "yes men loving everything" argument. I certainly don't like too many movies, but I sure liked tdk A LOT and even batman begins was great imo.
I've seen TDK three times and i don't really like it. Don't want to get into specifics as it's just not worth discussing. Why does IMDB ratings matter? A critic should be someone with integrity that reviews based on his own judgement, not on what is most popular. You're arguing that popularity equals quality which is a fallacy.
You can disagree or just completely ignore a critic that you don't agree with but saying they can't be taken seriously because they don't like what you like is childish.
And no, i don't like Ironman. Why even bring this up, it makes you look like a fool trying to discredit me by saying i like "shallow" stuff like Ironman while TDK is such a deep experience. TDK is just a tad less shallow than your average superhero movie, it's just a more grimdark.
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While I really like the new approach to the Batman franchise I really hate the technical designers with a passion. There are soo many physically impossible things in the movies which could have been made reasonable with just the same effort and a little more technical understanding.
An example or two:
- (Batman begins) Batman shoots his cable at the monorail and then flies behind it without the pillars of the railway messing up the cable or Batman banging into them.
- (Batman begins) The microwave emitter vaporises water ... all well, but why doesnt it vaporise the water in the humans bodies next to it OR the river next to the island but only goes straight for the water "hidden" in underground metal pipes (which usually shield from microwaves). Not to mention the required power for vaporising such huge amounts of water, which cant really come from some AAA batteries.
- (The Dark Knight) The "shot up car into working motorcycle" transformation is a bit over the top for such a realistic approach of a world, but then again I would think some special effects people also worked on Transformer where the transformations were totally over the top.
The actors are great and the plots are great, but the technical means should have a "realistic or not?" check before they get filmed. This is important for such a realistic world as that of Batman. I sincerely hope that the new movie doesnt have such flaws (I didnt even mention how Batmans "pulley rope" could pull him up so fast and where the power for that would come from. Those things are "one of a kind" and thus acceptable to a degree.) Thats why I loved the Joker ... he made do with a can of fuel and some explosives and created believable terroristic threats without requireing some mystical mumbo jumbo or super technology which wouldnt really work (because the script writers try to use real world names for their super technology).
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On July 17 2012 23:10 Rabiator wrote:
...Thats why I loved the Joker ... he made do with a can of fuel and some explosives and created believable terroristic threats without requireing some mystical mumbo jumbo or super technology which wouldnt really work (because the script writers try to use real world names for their super technology).
That's one of the many bad things i remember from the movie. The Joker having rigged a huge hospital with explosives everywhere, large and powerful enough to totally demolish everything, but never getting caught getting tons of that shit into the buildning.
It's just special effects masturbation and would have been much cooler if he just had remotely ran a school bus filled with gasoline into the crowded entrance or something more believable.
That's probably the thing i dislike most about these movies. They're supposed to be nitty gritty serious yet there's alot of over the top bullshit as it's still a summer blockbuster.
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On July 17 2012 23:18 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:10 Rabiator wrote:
...Thats why I loved the Joker ... he made do with a can of fuel and some explosives and created believable terroristic threats without requireing some mystical mumbo jumbo or super technology which wouldnt really work (because the script writers try to use real world names for their super technology). That's one of the many bad things i remember from the movie. The Joker having rigged a huge hospital with explosives everywhere, large and powerful enough to totally demolish everything, but never getting caught getting tons of that shit into the buildning. It's just special effects masturbation and would have been much cooler if he just had remotely ran a school bus filled with gasoline into the crowded entrance or something more believable. That's probably the thing i dislike most about these movies. They're supposed to be nitty gritty serious yet there's alot of over the top bullshit as it's still a summer blockbuster.
...That was the whole point of the Joker. He did things in the least conventional way possible to get the job done. You can easily bribe people and whatnot, as he showed many times in the movie. Hospitals also aren't guarded like prisons so i don't see your point really. You just seem to not like the whole genre, and if that's true, then why are you in the thread? TDK is almost universally loved, so you're in the minority.
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On July 17 2012 21:59 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:04 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight. Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens. And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film. I don't get your "not even the classics" argument. Many of those classics are overrated imo but anyways, let's talk about the dark knight. First of all it is number 8 in the imdb top 250 list. To achieve that as a "superhero blockbuster film" is not very easy. If you don't believe me you may wanna take a look at the 1-7 films(ie films like the godfater 1&2, pulp fiction,...). Additionaly, have you actually seen the movie with your eyes and ears open? Did you miss Alfred's story about burning down the wood? Didn't you catch tiny little jokes like "Dent. Jesus. I thought you was dead.- Half." Didn't you see Joker's magic trick? If all those things really didn't appeal to you, well your opinion is completely irrelevant to me cause appearantly our tastes have nothing in common. But I guess you like it when ironman says "I have a plan, attack! "? And about your "yes men loving everything" argument. I certainly don't like too many movies, but I sure liked tdk A LOT and even batman begins was great imo.
That's the thing.... IMO. In your opinion. What makes your opinion so powerful that suddenly critics who disagree with your opinion completely irrelevant? Just because they are different?
Well I suppose then our derision of twilight/transformers is totally irrelevant to fans of those movies?
By the way, you might want to rely on something better than the imdb top 250. Citizen Kane, something which critics (and IMHO rightly so) view as the best movie of all time is only ranked 40. You could quibble on whether citizen Kane deserves the top spot, but I am sure that we can all agree that it should rank higher than... Terminator 2 ( don't get me wrong I love t2 but it's not better than citizen Kane).
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I personally am quite a fan of the franchise (albeit an open-minded one) and I think it's both sides getting a bit too mad at each other a bit too quickly--happens a lot, really.
For instance, in Christian theist versus atheist debates, it begins with "I believe in a loving God as my personal savior and lord in my life and I was wondering whether you would have a moment so that I might talk to you about Jesus" and "the adaptibility and development/evolution of science is something that is more reasonable to follow based on observable, empirical evidence"....and eventually turns to "A SINGLE WORD IN THE BIBLE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO OBLITERATE ALL OF MAN'S FEEBLE SCIENCE" and "GOD HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT UTTER GARBAGE AND RELIGION IS A DEPLORABLE VIRUS WITH NO POSITIVE CULTURAL, SOCIAL, OR PERSONAL IMPLICATIONS WHATSOEVER" etc etc. Basically there seem to have been too many needless insults and random jabs at each other that seem to build up into a whole lot of animosity. Just my two cents :<
Though fwiw, some of the ridiculous (besides the physics-defying) things we see might be explained by how corrupted Gotham is supposed to be and whatnot maybe? Though by TDK the corruption apparently has gone down a fair bit.
Edit: and yeah, there definitely have been some less-than-believable parts to the franchise for sure, but personally I chose to let them slide and just enjoy the movie. I suppose they're there to capture the interest of the modern-day moviegoer, which is to say, short attention span and fond of explosions. It was, after all, a blockbuster movie, so part of the job was to make money by attracting large crowds etc. If everything were hyper-realistic (not saying that people who thought it wasn't believable also thought that it should have been this way), it might not have been as interesting a movie to watch for the common schmo.
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On July 17 2012 23:41 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:18 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 23:10 Rabiator wrote:
...Thats why I loved the Joker ... he made do with a can of fuel and some explosives and created believable terroristic threats without requireing some mystical mumbo jumbo or super technology which wouldnt really work (because the script writers try to use real world names for their super technology). That's one of the many bad things i remember from the movie. The Joker having rigged a huge hospital with explosives everywhere, large and powerful enough to totally demolish everything, but never getting caught getting tons of that shit into the buildning. It's just special effects masturbation and would have been much cooler if he just had remotely ran a school bus filled with gasoline into the crowded entrance or something more believable. That's probably the thing i dislike most about these movies. They're supposed to be nitty gritty serious yet there's alot of over the top bullshit as it's still a summer blockbuster. ...That was the whole point of the Joker. He did things in the least conventional way possible to get the job done. You can easily bribe people and whatnot, as he showed many times in the movie. Hospitals also aren't guarded like prisons so i don't see your point really. You just seem to not like the whole genre, and if that's true, then why are you in the thread? TDK is almost universally loved, so you're in the minority.
Yeah i'm in the minority, so i should shut up and let everyone spazz about their favorite movie? Isn't this a forum for discussion?
The guy that said critics that don't like TDK shouldn't be taken seriously wondered if i've actually seen the movie and i remembered this as one of the many scenes i didn't like. Sure the Joker can do crazy stuff but is it really believable that someone sneaks several tons of explosives into every part of a huge hospital? It's quite obvious that the sole reason is for the massive effects and explosions. Wouldn't something smaller and more believable be more interesting if this movie is supposed to be taken seriously?
This is all just my opinion, it's just as valid as the reviewers that don't like TDK or Rising or the people who love the movie.
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On July 17 2012 23:53 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:41 darthfoley wrote:On July 17 2012 23:18 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 23:10 Rabiator wrote:
...Thats why I loved the Joker ... he made do with a can of fuel and some explosives and created believable terroristic threats without requireing some mystical mumbo jumbo or super technology which wouldnt really work (because the script writers try to use real world names for their super technology). That's one of the many bad things i remember from the movie. The Joker having rigged a huge hospital with explosives everywhere, large and powerful enough to totally demolish everything, but never getting caught getting tons of that shit into the buildning. It's just special effects masturbation and would have been much cooler if he just had remotely ran a school bus filled with gasoline into the crowded entrance or something more believable. That's probably the thing i dislike most about these movies. They're supposed to be nitty gritty serious yet there's alot of over the top bullshit as it's still a summer blockbuster. ...That was the whole point of the Joker. He did things in the least conventional way possible to get the job done. You can easily bribe people and whatnot, as he showed many times in the movie. Hospitals also aren't guarded like prisons so i don't see your point really. You just seem to not like the whole genre, and if that's true, then why are you in the thread? TDK is almost universally loved, so you're in the minority. Yeah i'm in the minority, so i should shut up and let everyone spazz about their favorite movie? Isn't this a forum for discussion? The guy that said critics that don't like TDK shouldn't be taken seriously wondered if i've actually seen the movie and i remembered this as one of the many scenes i didn't like. Sure the Joker can do crazy stuff but is it really believable that someone sneaks several tons of explosives into every part of a huge hospital? It's quite obvious that the sole reason is for the massive effects and explosions. Wouldn't something smaller and more believable be more interesting if this movie is supposed to be taken seriously? This is all just my opinion, it's just as valid as the reviewers that don't like TDK or Rising or the people who love the movie.
I never said your opinion is irrelevant, i just think you're nitpicking with a movie that is meant to entertain. Almost all of jokers terrorist stuff isn't blowing up a hospital (i.e kidnapping people, blowing up their cars/poisoning drinks)
btw, the 2 ship detenator scene is the most unrealistic thing in the movies :p
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It's not because the majority has bad taste that the minority should shut up.
I don't really like the genre (superhero movies), that's true, but even within, the Nolan movies were only above average. Spiderman 2 for instance was way better than anything Nolan did, because Raimi actually knows how to hold a camera beside shot/reverse-shot. The action scenes (a pretty important part of a superhero movie) in Nolan's movie are between terrible (Begins) and decent (TDK), that's a bit of a problem.
If you add to that the fact that Christian Bale has exactly one facial expression and that Heath Ledger overplays half of the time, I don't get the fans, but then again, as LoTR are considered as good movies, what can you say...
Oh yeah, and the IMDB list is a joke... Seriously, the only movies in the top 10 that you can argue are not wayyyyy too high is The Godfather 1/2, and I looove Sergio Leone and think highly of Empire Strikes Back (did not see 12 angry men though, to temper my judgement).
All in all, some blockbusters are excellent, and I have nothing against movie that sell well, but I don't understand the praise Nolan gets for his very average blockbusters.
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On July 18 2012 00:36 corumjhaelen wrote:
It's not because the majority has bad taste that the minority should shut up.
I don't really like the genre (superhero movies), that's true, but even within, the Nolan movies were only above average. Spiderman 2 for instance was way better than anything Nolan did, because Raimi actually knows how to hold a camera beside shot/reverse-shot. The action scenes (a pretty important part of a superhero movie) in Nolan's movie are between terrible (Begins) and decent (TDK), that's a bit of a problem.
If you add to that the fact that Christian Bale has exactly one facial expression and that Heath Ledger overplays half of the time, I don't get the fans, but then again, as LoTR are considered as good movies, what can you say...
Oh yeah, and the IMDB list is a joke... Seriously, the only movies in the top 10 that you can argue are not wayyyyy too high is The Godfather 1/2, and I looove Sergio Leone and think highly of Empire Strikes Back (did not see 12 angry men though, to temper my judgement).
All in all, some blockbusters are excellent, and I have nothing against movie that sell well, but I don't understand the praise Nolan gets for his very average blockbusters.
I think the batman movies were alright... Begins was a bit silly though. I think in so far as overrated Nolan films go, nothing comes close to inception.
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On July 18 2012 01:19 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:36 corumjhaelen wrote:
It's not because the majority has bad taste that the minority should shut up.
I don't really like the genre (superhero movies), that's true, but even within, the Nolan movies were only above average. Spiderman 2 for instance was way better than anything Nolan did, because Raimi actually knows how to hold a camera beside shot/reverse-shot. The action scenes (a pretty important part of a superhero movie) in Nolan's movie are between terrible (Begins) and decent (TDK), that's a bit of a problem.
If you add to that the fact that Christian Bale has exactly one facial expression and that Heath Ledger overplays half of the time, I don't get the fans, but then again, as LoTR are considered as good movies, what can you say...
Oh yeah, and the IMDB list is a joke... Seriously, the only movies in the top 10 that you can argue are not wayyyyy too high is The Godfather 1/2, and I looove Sergio Leone and think highly of Empire Strikes Back (did not see 12 angry men though, to temper my judgement).
All in all, some blockbusters are excellent, and I have nothing against movie that sell well, but I don't understand the praise Nolan gets for his very average blockbusters. I think the batman movies were alright... Begins was a bit silly though. I think in so far as overrated Nolan films go, nothing comes close to inception.
I'd agree with alright, average etc... And you're spot on with Inception.
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For those who really really want to know what happens
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously... don't temp ban me... + Show Spoiler +Catwoman kills Bane to save Batman
Miranda Tate is Talia al Ghul and she stabs Batman
Bane threatens Gotham with a nuke he took from Wayne Enterprises
Batman flies the nuke into a river, seemingly killing himself
Batman is not actually dead, Alfred finds him at a cafe with Catwoman
John Blake's middle name is Robin
End scene: Robin finds the Batcave and throws away his police badge
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On July 17 2012 22:32 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 21:59 KainiT wrote:On July 17 2012 20:04 karpo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:46 Severedevil wrote:On July 17 2012 19:40 zoLo wrote:On July 17 2012 19:25 KainiT wrote:
a critic that didn't like tdk either can't be taken seriously You're right because we all have to like everything. A critic who didn't like The Dark Knight is irrelevant, because I doubt folks are planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises if they dislike The Dark Knight. Critics are paid to watch movies regardless of what they thought about the earlier films. I'm planning to watch The Dark Knight Rises even though i didn't really like TDK. Just having reviewers/critics acting like yes men loving everything is pointless, movie critics will be as bad as video game critics if that happens. And to the original point. Why shouldn't a critic that didn't like TDK be taken seriously? Not even the classics are universally loved by critics, and this is a superhero summer blockbuster film. I don't get your "not even the classics" argument. Many of those classics are overrated imo but anyways, let's talk about the dark knight. First of all it is number 8 in the imdb top 250 list. To achieve that as a "superhero blockbuster film" is not very easy. If you don't believe me you may wanna take a look at the 1-7 films(ie films like the godfater 1&2, pulp fiction,...). Additionaly, have you actually seen the movie with your eyes and ears open? Did you miss Alfred's story about burning down the wood? Didn't you catch tiny little jokes like "Dent. Jesus. I thought you was dead.- Half." Didn't you see Joker's magic trick? If all those things really didn't appeal to you, well your opinion is completely irrelevant to me cause appearantly our tastes have nothing in common. But I guess you like it when ironman says "I have a plan, attack! "? And about your "yes men loving everything" argument. I certainly don't like too many movies, but I sure liked tdk A LOT and even batman begins was great imo. I've seen TDK three times and i don't really like it. Don't want to get into specifics as it's just not worth discussing. Why does IMDB ratings matter? A critic should be someone with integrity that reviews based on his own judgement, not on what is most popular. You're arguing that popularity equals quality which is a fallacy. You can disagree or just completely ignore a critic that you don't agree with but saying they can't be taken seriously because they don't like what you like is childish. And no, i don't like Ironman. Why even bring this up, it makes you look like a fool trying to discredit me by saying i like "shallow" stuff like Ironman while TDK is such a deep experience. TDK is just a tad less shallow than your average superhero movie, it's just a more grimdark.
Since I don't want to look like a fool(I am glad you analyzed it that well) I want to tell you the reason why I brought up the Ironman quote(It's actually from the avengers, said by Ironman). I read quite a few of those (negative)critcs and many claimed that it will only be the second best superhero movie this year afte the avengers so that was were my thinking comes from...
If you guys want to argue with films like citizen kane, the godfather etc. Well they are probably more brillant than tdk but this is quite a strange debate and I think it is a big compliment for tdk if you have to bring up films like that;) Btw, twhile obviously it is not really possible to rank films objectively the imdb top 250 list does have a point, because many many thousand people voted. While you can bring your "minority doesn't have to shut up if majority is wrong"-arguments it is quite ignorant to say that this ranking means nothing
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I think the movie will be good. Batman begins quality is what i expect, and I loved that movie 
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Alright, alright let's take a pause with the movie discussion and do something different!
Do you or do you NOT recommend this movie?
Poll: Rec The Dark Knight Rise?Yay! (12) 92% Nay! (1) 8% 13 total votes Your vote: Rec The Dark Knight Rise? (Vote): Yay!
(Vote): Nay!
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