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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 12 2011 04:29 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 04:16 Pika Chu wrote:On March 12 2011 04:04 hitthat wrote:On March 12 2011 04:00 Horuku wrote:
The nuclear plant issue is whats scarying me the most. Sure the tsunami was pretty devestating but a reactor meltdown worst than Chenobryl would be absolutely a devastating nightmare not just for Japan, but much of that region. People in Eestern Europe still alive as you see. I'm a living proof of this, and when the reactor core meltdown from 1986 occured, i was 2 years old. this is really the smallest problem for the region right now. That's a stupid argumentation. You have no clue how bad Chernobyl was if you really think that. Look, there it goes 25 years since that event. My f***ing goverment started to do something with that after 3 f***g days of denying (as we see they were better with announcing martial law than fighting with this crisis). After that everything they did was giving a Lugol's iodine every child under 5 year. And guess what. Despite this borderline stupidity NOTHING serious have happened. My family are living near the east border of Poland and neither they or anyone suffered at all. Region itself is safe, the worst problem will be for the people who are living VERY close to that power plant. Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 04:24 Whalecore wrote:
Are you trolling? Chernobyl caused a lot of destruction.. have you the seen the photographs of the ghost town? No, Im just saying that this all talking about how this crisis may threat ALL region (east Asia) is just a lot of bullshit.
I dont see how this got so off topic but the damage chernoboyl did will echo for a very long time. Radiation decays very slowly and it shows, cancer is more rampant in europe then anywhere else in the world. You might not suffer now, but you'll feel the effects when you get older. Nuclear radiation is one of the worst posions in this world.
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All that hitthat is saying is that a maximum of a few thousand deaths over several generations doesn't compare to the devastation of, for example, the 80k person town that got wiped off the map this morning.
He thinks people are getting sidetracked by a juicy headline instead of considering the immediate fact that people are estimating the death toll will rise as high as the HUNDREDS of thousands by the time this is said and done. Last time I heard, as many as 80k+ people are missing.
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United States43970 Posts
On March 12 2011 04:54 Sleight wrote:
All that hitthat is saying is that a maximum of a few thousand deaths over several generations doesn't compare to the devastation of, for example, the 80k person town that got wiped off the map this morning.
He thinks people are getting sidetracked by a juicy headline instead of considering the immediate fact that people are estimating the death toll will rise as high as the HUNDREDS of thousands by the time this is said and done. Last time I heard, as many as 80k+ people are missing.
Those initial estimates have been reduced significantly while I've been watching live updates. It's currently at 350ish dead and 500 missing as of BBC news.
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We lived the same here a year ago, best wishes to japanesse people, they are better prepared than we were. (even if u can never be prepared for natural dissasters).
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On March 12 2011 04:52 Wasteweiser wrote:
I dont see how this got so off topic but the damage chernoboyl did will echo for a very long time. Radiation decays very slowly and it shows, cancer is more rampant in europe then anywhere else in the world. You might not suffer now, but you'll feel the effects when you get older. Nuclear radiation is one of the worst posions in this world.
I dont know if this is offtopic (we currently discusing about situation in Japan and possible scenarios as nuclear contamination f.e., arent we?)
Off course that radiation is one of the worst "poisons" in nature, but than you guys from North America should worry much more , becouse "compared to the total amount released by nuclear weapons testing during the 1950s and 1960s, the Chernobyl disaster released 100 to 1000 times less radioactivity." Besides, even if you are right, "normal" pollution will kill us faster than that stuff.
On March 12 2011 04:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 04:54 Sleight wrote:
All that hitthat is saying is that a maximum of a few thousand deaths over several generations doesn't compare to the devastation of, for example, the 80k person town that got wiped off the map this morning.
He thinks people are getting sidetracked by a juicy headline instead of considering the immediate fact that people are estimating the death toll will rise as high as the HUNDREDS of thousands by the time this is said and done. Last time I heard, as many as 80k+ people are missing. Those initial estimates have been reduced significantly while I've been watching live updates. It's currently at 350ish dead and 500 missing as of BBC news.
Oh yeah, looks like Japaneese fights with the disaster with all of their natural talent. Great 
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2011 04:39 lokiM wrote:havent seen this posted here, pretty scary stuff
Geezus. You can actually see several cars driving in the background, seconds before the wave reaches the roads. It's pretty much guaranteed they and others off camera got engulfed by the water and debris. Poor souls.
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I would say Japanese earthquake preparedness is doing very well so far. When you think of the density of population of the area that is.
The CBC is talking about the "slightly radioactive steam" release just now; PM Stephen Harper said some things about offering help if requested.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
The whole thing just seems unreal. While watching the Al Jazeera stream last night, I just couldn't bear watching anymore after I saw the debris filled tsunami wave just engulf everything in its path. After seeing cars and trucks trying to speed away to no avail, I don't even know what to think anymore. It felt as if I were watching people just die on stream.
Sincerely hope Japan is alright after this.
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This is so crazy, my prayers go out to those in Japan.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
My thoughts go to the people of Japan. This sounds like a complete nightmare. Good luck.
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I didn't expect that house in the foreground to get hit by waves that high, much less to be swept away by it.
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its more tragical that the gov didnt warn earlier, could be much less worse
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Just as the emergency teams get back from Christchurch they have to deal with this disaster. Absolutely horrifying.
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United States43970 Posts
From wikipedia
Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) has confirmed at least 1000 dead and another 530 missing in six different prefectures
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On March 12 2011 05:17 Tatsuyasama wrote:
its more tragical that the gov didnt warn earlier, could be much less worse
How, exactly, do you think the government could have warned about this? They could have possibly issued a warning depending on what seismic activity was happening before the earthquake hit (assuming there was any), but nobody would have left town because of it. They couldn't force an evacuation, because there's no way to be certain an earthquake would happen.
Moreover, the tsunami caused the most damage, and you can't really predict a tsunami.
The best thing a government can do in this case is to prepare beforehand, and respond promptly afterwards. Japan seems to have done a great job at both thus far.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 12 2011 05:19 KwarK wrote:From wikipedia Show nested quote +Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) has confirmed at least 1000 dead and another 530 missing in six different prefectures
As horrifying as it is in the end I'd say it this number will multiply several times.
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Big Earthquakes all around the pacific plate the last 10years.
Chili, Sumatra, now Japan.
Living in Southern California, I will be watching this very closely. Very scared about something similar happening here. I consider myself VERY prepared, as I actually backpack and practice living without electricity for days on end... I'm very interested to see how such a developed society deals with such massive devastation.
I'll be watching, donating and hoping for the best for anyone there... take care.
edit: + Show Spoiler +Let's please not talk about the Death Toll ffs. We all know what happened in Haiti and Turkey and other places in the last few years. The death toll could be SO much higher- Japan should be very proud of its infrastructure- so far. Prevented MANY initial deaths. Though the nuclear thing still concerns me, I'm going to assume a lot of the worst is behind in terms of life lost. As long as food and medicine can be lifted into the devastated areas, things should look as good as they possibly can considering the historic magnitude.
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On March 12 2011 05:24 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 05:17 Tatsuyasama wrote:
its more tragical that the gov didnt warn earlier, could be much less worse How, exactly, do you think the government could have warned about this? They could have possibly issued a warning depending on what seismic activity was happening before the earthquake hit (assuming there was any), but nobody would have left town because of it. They couldn't force an evacuation, because there's no way to be certain an earthquake would happen. Moreover, the tsunami caused the most damage, and you can't really predict a tsunami. The best thing a government can do in this case is to prepare beforehand, and respond promptly afterwards. Japan seems to have done a great job at both thus far.
The tsunami warning went out three minutes after the quake which is a fairly decent reaction speed I guess.
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