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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
thehorsebecomesking
Profile Joined February 2011
189 Posts
March 15 2011 02:33 GMT
#2561
On March 15 2011 11:31 playa wrote:
Flash is better than the rest of the progamers. Translation: everyone else is incredibly bad. I like that logic.


!
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
March 15 2011 02:34 GMT
#2562
400 mSv rated around plant #2 (I think 2). Insane.. thats quite a jump.
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 15 2011 02:35 GMT
#2563
On March 15 2011 11:33 thehorsebecomesking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 11:31 playa wrote:
Flash is better than the rest of the progamers. Translation: everyone else is incredibly bad. I like that logic.


!


He, most likely, posted in the wrong thread.
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
March 15 2011 02:36 GMT
#2564
Radiation levels within 20km are high enough to cause infertility, did I hear that right? That's more serious than I thought.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Nienordir
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
March 15 2011 02:37 GMT
#2565
What kind of 'protective gear' are they talking about? I never heard of suits that protect against hard radiation aside from sealed suits that prevent contamination, but that doesn't help against radiation.
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 15 2011 02:37 GMT
#2566
Flash is good enough to be posted in any thread.

Anyways, keep in mind that distance is a huge factor. We're talking about reactors from the same site having differences of 400 mSv -> 100 mSv, and then at the main gate it would be 1000 uSv. That's not good for the people working there, but it is miniscule 20km away.
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 15 2011 02:38 GMT
#2567
On March 15 2011 11:34 Razith wrote:
400 mSv rated around plant #2 (I think 2). Insane.. thats quite a jump.


No, interestingly the 400 mSv were measured at #4 which is currently on fire. But that's even worse, because if it was at #2 it would have been easier to pinpoint the cause.

We don't have enough information about the situation at #4 right now, and I'm going to retract my previous statement that the fire is not an issue, after seeing those readings.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 02:43:42
March 15 2011 02:39 GMT
#2568
On March 15 2011 11:35 sqrt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 11:33 thehorsebecomesking wrote:
On March 15 2011 11:31 playa wrote:
Flash is better than the rest of the progamers. Translation: everyone else is incredibly bad. I like that logic.


!


He, most likely, posted in the wrong thread.


It's directed at the guy that made an illogical deduction relating to the reactors. Does anyone have an opinion on the evacuation radius? People within 20 miles are supposed to evacuate, but people within 30 miles aren't supposed to leave their house? Kinda sounds like people living within 30 miles should be away from there but it's too dangerous to even step outside... Plus, is 30 miles really far enough?

Also, since Japan isn't that big (has been compared to the size of California), is it possible that the evacuation radius exceeds what is possible for them to move beyond, without getting on a plane or a boat...
kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 02:44:30
March 15 2011 02:44 GMT
#2569
Japanese PM has gone on TV to address his nation. He has ordered all workers to abandon the Fukushima plants.

Did I hear that right from the japanese report?
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
March 15 2011 02:44 GMT
#2570
On March 15 2011 11:39 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 11:35 sqrt wrote:
On March 15 2011 11:33 thehorsebecomesking wrote:
On March 15 2011 11:31 playa wrote:
Flash is better than the rest of the progamers. Translation: everyone else is incredibly bad. I like that logic.


!


He, most likely, posted in the wrong thread.


It's directed at the guy that made an illogical deduction relating to the reactors. Does anyone have an opinion on the evacuation radius? People within 20 miles are supposed to evacuate, but people within 30 miles aren't supposed to leave their house? Kinda sounds like people living within 30 miles should be away from there but it's too dangerous to even step outside... Plus, is 30 miles really far enough?

Also, since Japan isn't that big (has been compared to the size of California), is it possible that the evacuation radius exceeds what is possible for them to move beyond, without getting on a plane or a boat...

kilometers, no miles
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
March 15 2011 02:45 GMT
#2571
On March 15 2011 11:44 kaisen wrote:
Japanese PM has gone on TV to address his nation. He has ordered all workers to abandon the Fukushima plants.

Did I hear that right from the japanese report?


I didn't hear that...the stream right now is saying that workers in rad-suits are currently trying to put out the fires.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 15 2011 02:45 GMT
#2572
On March 15 2011 11:44 kaisen wrote:
Japanese PM has gone on TV to address his nation. He has ordered all workers to abandon the Fukushima plants.

Did I hear that right from the japanese report?


What report? He was just on live for a press conference and said almost nothing new.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
March 15 2011 02:45 GMT
#2573
On March 15 2011 11:44 VanGarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 11:39 playa wrote:
On March 15 2011 11:35 sqrt wrote:
On March 15 2011 11:33 thehorsebecomesking wrote:
On March 15 2011 11:31 playa wrote:
Flash is better than the rest of the progamers. Translation: everyone else is incredibly bad. I like that logic.


!


He, most likely, posted in the wrong thread.


It's directed at the guy that made an illogical deduction relating to the reactors. Does anyone have an opinion on the evacuation radius? People within 20 miles are supposed to evacuate, but people within 30 miles aren't supposed to leave their house? Kinda sounds like people living within 30 miles should be away from there but it's too dangerous to even step outside... Plus, is 30 miles really far enough?

Also, since Japan isn't that big (has been compared to the size of California), is it possible that the evacuation radius exceeds what is possible for them to move beyond, without getting on a plane or a boat...

kilometers, no miles


Thanks for that correction.
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 02:47:09
March 15 2011 02:46 GMT
#2574
On March 15 2011 11:44 kaisen wrote:
Japanese PM has gone on TV to address his nation. He has ordered all workers to abandon the Fukushima plants.

Did I hear that right from the japanese report?


No. He has said that they have evacuated the non-essential personnel from the site, 50 workers remain to continue with the operations.

Edit: Which was already known before. The only new thing that the PM himself said was the announcement to the people in the 30km zone and the fire at #4.
JoelB
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 02:51:32
March 15 2011 02:47 GMT
#2575
On March 15 2011 11:37 Nienordir wrote:
What kind of 'protective gear' are they talking about? I never heard of suits that protect against hard radiation aside from sealed suits that prevent contamination, but that doesn't help against radiation.


Protective Gear will help ... alpha rays cannot really pass through your skin, beta rays will go a little further and can probably cause burnings, skin cancer and so forth ... nothing can stop gamma rays completly though ... so no against gamma rays no gear will help except a VERY thick wall of lead ... also gear will keep iodine, cesium, strontium s.f. away from the inside of your body because there is where they actually do their dmg ... radioactive iodine will be absorbed by the thyroid, while cesium and strontium (because of their similarities to calium) will be absorbed in the muscles and skeleton ... there they will do the most dmg
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 15 2011 02:47 GMT
#2576
Tuesday - Fukushima II has safely stopped all of it's reactors
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
March 15 2011 02:49 GMT
#2577
2:41
DJ: Radiation 400 Times Legal Limit Measured Near No. 3 Reactor At Fukushima - Kyodo
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patyrykin.net
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 15 2011 02:55 GMT
#2578
This is where the really scary part stars to be honest, they have 4 reactors to control with radiation leaking as it is. At some point, they can't keep sending in engineers to fix shit, and they'll have to rely on the cores melting down in a controlled setting.

Every redundancy so far has failed, and I'm not very hopeful that the containment vessels will hold, after quakes, explosions, fires and 1980s design, I think its a very safe bet at least one will fail.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 15 2011 02:56 GMT
#2579
On March 15 2011 11:47 Dimagus wrote:
Tuesday - Fukushima II has safely stopped all of it's reactors

source? that's great news
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Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 15 2011 02:56 GMT
#2580
Japanese weather doesn't seem as impressive cause they measure in Celsius.
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