Libyan Uprising - Page 164

On September 14 2011 05:00 Ghad wrote:


Are you fully aware how crazy that notion is?

On September 14 2011 05:04 muse5187 wrote:

He took that quote straight from Fauntroy's interview with afro. The man was a congress man for 30 years, so it is hard for me to believe that he is making it up. Yet the claim is really far fetched.

On September 14 2011 05:26 MattyClutch wrote:



Eh "The Afro noted that it was unable to confirm any aspects of Fauntroy's story, and there has been no independent corroboration of his claims" so I doubt it. That would be big news, I don't know why some reporter wanting to make a name for him/herself wouldn't be all over that if that was the case.


Plus Fauntroy also says this is part of a plan to recolonize Africa which is laughable.

On September 14 2011 05:42 muse5187 wrote:

Look I'm just playing the devils advocate. The man was in congress for a good bit. You're right though he does have questionable interests.

On September 14 2011 05:00 Ghad wrote:


Are you fully aware how crazy that notion is?

On September 14 2011 06:53 GeyzeR wrote:


I am not aware. I already have this information from many different and independent sources and I cannot find the reason why they all would make it up. I guess it will become public early or later. it is impossible to hide a thing that big for long time. It is not that important who will become the first to tell it, that man or somebody else and when exactly.

On September 14 2011 07:18 HellRoxYa wrote:
So you have multiple sources qouting the same guy then? If you actually have corroborative evidence then please present it because I would really like to see it.

On September 14 2011 07:39 muse5187 wrote:
The facts are the man was in Libya. He was a congressman. And he did say that in an interview. To be proved is if it really happened. Having many sources quoting something that is untrue doesn't make it true.

19 hours 45 min ago - Libya
NTC forces have given residents in Muammar Gaddafi's stronghold of Bani Walid two days to leave the area before they launch a major offensive, according to the Reuters news agency.

Along with Gaddafi's hometown Sirte on the central Mediterranean coast and Sabha in the remote southern desert, Bani Walid counts among the last strongholds of old regime fighters and their resistance has impeded NTC efforts to normalise life in the oil-producing North African state again.

4 hours 59 min ago - Libya
Reuters - Libyan fighters are handing out free petrol to help hundreds of civilians flee a desert town held by Muammar Gaddafi's forces ahead of and onslaught aimed at capturing one of the ousted ruler's last bastions.

Complaining of hardship and intimidation, residents of Bani Walid headed to nearby towns or started the 180 km
journey north towards Tripoli on Tuesday in cars packed with children and possessions.

(Reuters) - Libyan transitional government forces handed out free petrol to help hundreds of civilians flee a desert town held by Muammar Gaddafi's loyalists ahead of an onslaught aimed at capturing one of the ousted ruler's last bastions.

Complaining of hardship and intimidation, residents of Bani Walid headed to nearby towns or started the 180 km (112-mile) journey north toward the capital Tripoli on Tuesday in cars packed with children and possessions. ...

...Residents escaping Bani Walid on Monday and Tuesday reported days of intense street-to-street fighting. They began to slip out after Gaddafi forces abandoned some checkpoints on the outskirts.

Bani Walid resident and NTC supporter Isa Amr, 35, said the town was running out of fuel, food and water, making it impossible for his family to stay any longer.

"Rebels gave us some petrol, enough to drive to Tripoli. The rebels are really helping us," he said, driving away with his wife and three young children.

Amr said the NTC was handing out free fuel at the northern entrance to Bani Walid to smooth the evacuation.

Abdulbaset Mohamed Mohamed, 25, another Bani Walid residents driving toward Tripoli, said it was too dangerous to venture outside in the town. Militia men are hiding around the city and (pro-Gaddafi) green flags are everywhere."

NTC field commanders said people in Bani Walid had been told via broadcast radio messages they had two days to leave town before it came under full-blown attack.

On September 14 2011 08:26 HellRoxYa wrote:
I'm very unsure of what you're trying to say here. Does NATO control the news flow due to their fighter jets? Why would NATO leaving have any impact what-so-ever on any so-called western propaganda?

On September 14 2011 07:39 muse5187 wrote:
The facts are the man was in Libya. He was a congressman. And he did say that in an interview. To be proved is if it really happened. Having many sources quoting something that is untrue doesn't make it true.

Lastly, you do realize that the ALBA countries have a political agenda

On September 14 2011 19:04 GeyzeR wrote:

Again, the free and independent western media?
And a supposition that both NATO and media can be controlled by same force doesn't come into your mind?

On September 14 2011 19:04 GeyzeR wrote:

If I claim that I saw a man killed another man and witness it in court, that man will go in jail unless proved otherwise. I do not have to prove that I am right, i just accept the responsibility of lying.

On September 14 2011 19:04 GeyzeR wrote:

At this point I would trust ALBA more then west. Western information is not confirmed by independent sides.
West in a big trouble right now and has to save the situation, if you look out side of Libya and see the general picture. Libya is just a piece of mosaic. Any thought why the West illegally intervene in the local conflict apart from the usual "saving civilians"? Common, it was never only for humanitarian reasons in the history.

On September 14 2011 19:04 GeyzeR wrote:
Again, the free and independent western media?
And a supposition that both NATO and media can be controlled by same force doesn't come into your mind?

The antipathy towards the unelected members of the TNC forming the new administration is increasingly widespread and vocal. Most of them are former members of the Gaddafi regime, viewed as opportunistic converts from the old order. There is also the charge that some of them have been in Europe, the US and the Gulf states while young volunteers had been dying in the cause of the revolution.

Abdulbasit Abu Muzairik, a senior member of the council of Misrata, the port city which withstood a siege from Gaddafi forces, expressed what he said was widespread frustration. "We are worried about a lot of things which are happening politically. We have not seen Jibril in Libya, he has spent all the time we were suffering outside the country. Suddenly he is here and we have to accept he is the Prime Minister.

"What are people trying to do about it? Well, he will have to be replaced. We are looking at ways this can be done. The people who actually fought for the revolution must be allowed to have a say in how the country is now being run."

Mr Belhaj, who, The Independent revealed, was subject to rendition and torture with the help of British intelligence, has been the focus of media attention. Mr Muzairik pointed out that Mr Belhaj, a former head of the LIFG (Libyan Islamist fighting Group), "is just in charge of fighters in Tripoli, that's all. He is not in charge of Libya, even if he thinks he is."

So far, Mustapah Abdul Jalil, head of the TNC, has escaped criticism. But he has his own concerns about the future. The former Justice Minister under Col Gaddafi has warned of the existence of "extremist fundamentalists within the ranks of the revolution" and threatened to resign unless they, and other armed groups, handed in their weapons.

Abdurrahman Shalgham, an ally of Mr Jalil who was Foreign Minister in the Gaddafi regime, focused on the role of Mr Belhaj and his conservative Muslim followers, maintaining that he was "just a preacher and not a military commander". Another TNC member, Othman Ben Sassi, insisted: "He [Belhaj] was nothing, nothing. He arrived at the last moment and organised some people."

But there has been little sign of organisation on the Bani Walid frontline. One TNC officer, Mohammed el-Fassi, said yesterday: "The problem is that now that Gaddafi has fled, people are just thinking about themselves, their tribes, their own cities. They are not thinking about Libya."

Ahmed Majbri, chairman of the Arabian Gulf Oil Co. (Agoco), told Reuters Vitol had delivered more than $1 billion of fuel to the rebels, much of it during the first few months of fighting.

Agoco had already paid Vitol around $500 million in a mixture of cash, crude oil and supplies of the feedstock naphtha.

"We will give them 50 percent of production until we have paid them back," Majbri said in an interview after a visit to see infrastructure damage at the oil export terminal of Brega.

Agoco is among the first companies to resume oil production in Libya after nearly seven months of fighting and hopes to raise output fast, getting back to pre-war levels within a year.

The company, which before the uprising was responsible for at least a quarter of the Libya's 1.6 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil production, pumped its first oil since the uprising on Monday and has said it is now sending crude to the Mediterranean terminal of Tobruk.

Libya, a member of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, holds Africa's largest crude oil reserves and sold about 85 percent of its oil exports to Europe before the uprising which toppled Gaddafi.

Vitol, along with Qatar, were the only fuel suppliers to Libya's rebels, now interim leaders, during the first few months of the revolt but Libya has since added several new suppliers including Glencore.

Again, the free and independent western media?
And a supposition that both NATO and media can be controlled by same force doesn't come into your mind?

On September 15 2011 19:59 Saji wrote:
Exclusive: Libya's Agoco pledges half its early oil to Vitol

(Reuters) - Libyan oil firm Agoco has promised to give half its early crude oil production to trading firm Vitol as payment for fuel supplied to rebels during the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/13/us-libya-oil-agoco-idUSTRE78C3R420110913

On September 15 2011 22:58 DeepElemBlues wrote:


If the media is controlled, why did the New York Times and hundreds of media organizations publish stories about blacks being rounded up as suspected Qaddafi mercenaries by the NTC, which you almost had an apoplexy over?

The Associated Press coldly announced the massacre of a group of Black people who were settled in a camp in front of the Libyan official residence. Dozens of dead bodies were found, hands tied behind their backs. The American news agency pointed out that these people were not combatants. Michel Collon and the delegation who went to Libya in July had met these men who loved Libya.

Michel Collon : « I have met these people while on mission in Tripoli. I talked with some of them. Contrary to what the media and the rebels proclaimed, they were in no way « mercenaries ». Some were black skinned Libyans - as a matter of fact, a major part of the population in Libya is composed of Black African people - the others were civilians who came from sub-Saharan African countries and who had been living in Libya for a long time. They all supported Gaddafi for the very reason that he opposed racism and treated Arabs and Africans as equals. Unlike the « rebels » of Benghazi, who are well-known for their anti-Black racism and who made themselves guilty of dreadful and systematic atrocities from the very first days of the war. What is paradoxical is that NATO says it wants to bring democracy but allies itself with a Libyan branch of Al Qaeda and with a group of KKK-like racists ! »

All the team of Investig’Action is deeply distressed by this sad news.

Map indicating the Human Development Index in 2009, according to the United Nations. In Africa, Libya is the only country which level of development is close to the one of developed countries. For this reason, many African people emigrate in Libya in order to work and live there.

Mohamed Hassan, an observer of Africa, with an African leader. Read his interview about the mission in Tripoli.

Tony Busselen, a journalist for the weekly newspaper Solidaire, took part in the mission a few weeks ago :

« Our photos show that these people were unarmed civilians, there were even many women and children. I talked with them, they joined forces against the war and did not understand what Europe wanted.

They told me : « Libya is working well, the achievements are far better than in Africa, it is very good for us, and Europe is this country ! It’s beyond understanding. » They were quite willing to defend Libya because they could compare it to their home country.

It is really barbarous to murder unarmed people, hands tied behind their backs, they were simply people, workers who came spontaneously to defend their new homeland. This is truly terrifying and I saw photographs showing the same deeds committed in Benghazi by the « rebels » who are clearly using terror. So, when I see people in Tripoli « applauding » the rebels, I believe that they are simply terrorized. NATO is bringing dread.