EPTAnd since probably half of the Libya is against Gaddafi and half pro, i don't see this going organized unless the western forces put another western-licker dictator in power.
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
And since probably half of the Libya is against Gaddafi and half pro, i don't see this going organized unless the western forces put another western-licker dictator in power. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On September 12 2011 11:05 Aurocaido wrote: Lol that link was cute but it has nothing to do with the current UN resolution for Libya and how NATO is conducting it. Edit: Oh and its not the charter I and many others think was violated. Its the resolution that was passed that gave NATO the right to put up a no-fly zone. Don't criticize when you don't know what you are criticizing. Oh, I see, the one that gave them free reigns to do whatever they wanted (- in an effort to protect the population)? That one? Edit: I find it hilarious that any time the resolution is criticised it's mentioned how it was a "no fly-zone" as if that was the only goal or the legal boundary. It never was. Where's the critique from the UN if NATO really did overstep their bounds? I'm sorry but this is just a scapegoat to throw hate at the west and the intervention. | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
On September 12 2011 17:54 Reedjr wrote: Holy taking things out of context, Batman! In your first video he does say that most people supported Gaddafi... In Tripoli? It's a little hard to make out exactly what he's saying, but it's not like he's saying most Libyans in general supported Gaddafi or anything like that. It's quite clear he's talking about a specific location. I've listened to it a dozen times, but I cannot quite figure out specifically where he's talking about, the words are too mumbled. "We didn't have many people that can fight here." He didn't say "We didn't have many people from here that can fight. " The general idea is that Gaddafi has a considerable support among Libyans, the conflict is not a popular uprising but a civil war and the West picked a side they like. And concerning the canadian jet fighter blame CBC news, not the guy who just picked it up. Here is an extended verison | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On September 12 2011 17:18 GeyzeR wrote: A rebel(apparently not a smart one, but at least honest): "We didn't have many people that can fight here. Most people supported Gaddafi" (0:42) Canadian Pilots Refuse to Bomb Libya It makes him a bad soldier, but a good human. Wow wow wow Auroicado, WHAT? You just posted two videos! I call shenanigans on both! That rebel was probably paid to say so and the Canadians were probably invented. : ) | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
One side is the rebels, the other Warfalla tribe of Bani Walid. There is no tales of Gaddafi bloody regime or sympathy for rebels in the article. "Over the last two weeks, rebels had tried to portray the town’s refusal to surrender as an example of the regime holding ordinary people hostage. ... those staging the most bitter resistance were not members of pro-regime forces left behind by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the dictator’s son, who left after marshalling defences, but townsfolk themselves. “We are protecting our land, defending our people and defending Libya,” he said. “We don’t trust the rebels. We don’t know if they are going to steal our houses and rape our women.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8756262/Bani-Walids-resistance-fading-but-battle-to-overcome-Gaddafi-ties-just-beginning.html We have people of Bani Walid who do not want the rebels in the city (apparently they have learnt what the rebels did to the cities they enter) and NATO bombing the city, not the Gaddafi army, because they do not want to accept the rule of NTC. What side is the bloody regime then? | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
"Until last month, the town of Tawarga was home to 10,000 civilians. But as dusk fell over it last week, the apartment blocks stretched, black and dead, into the distance, and the only things moving were sheep. This pro-Gaddafi settlement has been emptied of its people, vandalised and partly burned by rebel forces." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8754375/Gaddafis-ghost-town-after-the-loyalists-retreat.html | ||
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
On September 12 2011 20:56 Kukaracha wrote: Wow wow wow Auroicado, WHAT? You just posted two videos! I call shenanigans on both! That rebel was probably paid to say so and the Canadians were probably invented. : ) Lol but I didn't post those videos. Anyway CNN reporting that rebel forces have stalled near Gaddafi strongholds and reports of in-fighting. A large convoy of troops left the front after arguing with another group of fighters from Bani Walid, who insisted they alone take the lead in fighting to take the town, witnesses told CNN's Ben Wedeman. Pushing and shoving also broke out among the fighters, some of whom wanted the media to leave the area. "What ensued was pushing, shoving, shouting," said Wedeman, who watched the incident unfold. "Rocks were picked up. There was some rifle butting, and then one of the fighters manning a truck mounted a 14.5 (mm) anti-aircraft gun and opened fire in the air to restore order." Similar incidents have been reported during the months-long war, raising concerns about a lack of discipline and leadership among the ragtag group of fighters and the possible threat that could pose to the country's stability. Source | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
Some residents of the town, meanwhile, were fleeing. One man, who identified himself as Abu Farook but did not want to provide his last name for fear of retribution, arrived at a checkpoint about 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside Bani Walid on Monday, accompanied by his wife and children. "There are around 700 Gadhafi forces scattered around Bani Walid and another 150 in the center of the city," he said. "Most of them have sniper rifles and other heavy artillery positioned between houses in residential areas. These forces are the ones who fled from Tripoli the last days of the fall of Tripoli and have blood on their hands." In addition, Abu Farook said, there are African mercenaries inside Bani Walid. He said there are no communications, no electricity and no running water. Food is running out for residents, he said. He said NTC fighters are not inside Bani Walid, but on its northwest outskirts in the Manasla and Douwara neighborhoods, still about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the city center. Abu Farook said firing and explosions have taken place for 10 days but he could not flee until Monday. He said his nephew was killed by a sniper bullet on Sunday while standing near him. The man's 7-year-old son, in the car, said he was scared by all the fighting and loud explosions. | ||
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi have killed at least 15 guards and injured two others in an attack on an oil facility outside the coastal town of Ras Lanuf, fighters of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) have said. Citing NTC fighters present at the scene, Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel-Hamid said a column of vehicles carrying armed Gaddafi loyalists drove up to the refinery's checkpoint on Monday morning. Ras Lanuf is located approximately 600km east of the capital, Tripoli. Source | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Despite repeated assurances from President Obama and military leaders that the U.S. would not send uniformed military personnel into Libya, four U.S. service members arrived on the ground in Tripoli over the weekend. According to Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby, the four unidentified troops are there working under the State Department's chief of mission to assist in rebuilding the U.S. Embassy. A U.S. embassy emblem is seen on a broken door during a visit for the press in the vandalized U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Libya, Sept. 12. Kirby noted the embassy in Tripoli was badly damaged during the conflict between Muammar Qaddafi's forces and the rebels. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/ | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On September 13 2011 06:45 ImFromPortugal wrote: U.S. Boots on the Ground in Libya, Pentagon Confirms Despite repeated assurances from President Obama and military leaders that the U.S. would not send uniformed military personnel into Libya, four U.S. service members arrived on the ground in Tripoli over the weekend. According to Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby, the four unidentified troops are there working under the State Department's chief of mission to assist in rebuilding the U.S. Embassy. A U.S. embassy emblem is seen on a broken door during a visit for the press in the vandalized U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Libya, Sept. 12. Kirby noted the embassy in Tripoli was badly damaged during the conflict between Muammar Qaddafi's forces and the rebels. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/ Is this confirmation of the much-heralded NATO ground invasion of Libya? Two of the military personnel are explosive-ordnance experts who will be used to disable any explosives traps left in the embassy. The other two are "general security," according to Kirby. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On September 13 2011 06:45 ImFromPortugal wrote: U.S. Boots on the Ground in Libya, Pentagon Confirms Despite repeated assurances from President Obama and military leaders that the U.S. would not send uniformed military personnel into Libya, four U.S. service members arrived on the ground in Tripoli over the weekend. According to Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby, the four unidentified troops are there working under the State Department's chief of mission to assist in rebuilding the U.S. Embassy. A U.S. embassy emblem is seen on a broken door during a visit for the press in the vandalized U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Libya, Sept. 12. Kirby noted the embassy in Tripoli was badly damaged during the conflict between Muammar Qaddafi's forces and the rebels. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/ Is this for real? | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Bani Walid’s stubborn resistance to the rebels, which turned it from a Libyan crossroads town to the epicentre of the country’s civil war in the space of two weeks, may be nearing its end. On Sunday night the fighting in the town was so intense that rebel forces ran out of ambulances as casualties were rushed back down the road out of town. And, alarmingly, captives suggested that those staging the most bitter resistance were not members of pro-regime forces left behind by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the dictator’s son, who left after marshalling defences, but townsfolk themselves. “There is no military here,” said Al-Hadi Imbiresh, a retired colonel from the town who had volunteered to lead a home guard of residents against the rebels, many of them like him fellow members of the dominant local tribe, the Warfalla. Over the last two weeks, rebels had tried to portray the town’s refusal to surrender as an example of the regime holding ordinary people hostage. But Col Imbiresh, who was nursing a foot which had taken a bullet and seemed to be allowed to speak freely after being captured on a scouting mission, said that local Warfalla had themselves been determined to resist. “We are protecting our land, defending our people and defending Libya,” he said. “We don’t trust the rebels. We don’t know if they are going to steal our houses and rape our women.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8756262/Bani-Walids-resistance-fading-but-battle-to-overcome-Gaddafi-ties-just-beginning.html | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 13 2011 09:39 Kukaracha wrote: OMG the US army has sent four plumbers to Libya! It's a conspiracy! Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi joined the army? :O | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On September 13 2011 12:30 ImFromPortugal wrote: Bani Walid's resistance fading, but battle to overcome Gaddafi ties just beginning Bani Walid’s stubborn resistance to the rebels, which turned it from a Libyan crossroads town to the epicentre of the country’s civil war in the space of two weeks, may be nearing its end. On Sunday night the fighting in the town was so intense that rebel forces ran out of ambulances as casualties were rushed back down the road out of town. And, alarmingly, captives suggested that those staging the most bitter resistance were not members of pro-regime forces left behind by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the dictator’s son, who left after marshalling defences, but townsfolk themselves. “There is no military here,” said Al-Hadi Imbiresh, a retired colonel from the town who had volunteered to lead a home guard of residents against the rebels, many of them like him fellow members of the dominant local tribe, the Warfalla. Over the last two weeks, rebels had tried to portray the town’s refusal to surrender as an example of the regime holding ordinary people hostage. But Col Imbiresh, who was nursing a foot which had taken a bullet and seemed to be allowed to speak freely after being captured on a scouting mission, said that local Warfalla had themselves been determined to resist. “We are protecting our land, defending our people and defending Libya,” he said. “We don’t trust the rebels. We don’t know if they are going to steal our houses and rape our women.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8756262/Bani-Walids-resistance-fading-but-battle-to-overcome-Gaddafi-ties-just-beginning.html I think that breaks down the myth of a popular uprising and people hating gaddafi all over the country even for the most pro-westerners around. | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
On September 13 2011 16:27 Pika Chu wrote: I think that breaks down the myth of a popular uprising and people hating gaddafi all over the country even for the most pro-westerners around. The myth is already broken long time ago and it is a civil war. There is another myth still persisting - the war is in the best interest of Libyan people. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 13 2011 16:27 Pika Chu wrote: I think that breaks down the myth of a popular uprising and people hating gaddafi all over the country even for the most pro-westerners around. Well, when you think about it, if the anti-government folks were as numerous proportionally as in Egypt, then the revolution would have lasted no time at all and there most likely wouldn't have been civil war or foreign assault. I think that is proof enough that the story that "Everyone in Libya hates the government" is quite untrue. That said, it's not unlikely that at least some notable percentage of the people with the revolution are with it due to the influence of LIFG and other groups, and mob mentality and related concepts of incitement. A lot of the common people in the mix are probably the "YEAHHH LET'S DO THIS! GET ME INTO DA FIGHT!" sort rather than the "I believe that the government is satan incarnate and that the benefit of usurping it will well outweigh the cost *insert noble cause jargon here*". That's how such movements typically are. Those famous scenes of Lenin stirring the masses come to mind in the Russian revolution against the monarchy. On the flip side, many people fine with the status quo (which, when comparing to most developing countries, was pretty good in Libya) in revolutions generally don't want to be a part of the conflict. Then there's the camp opposite the revolutionaries who counteract it. Well, just a few thoughts on the matter. | ||
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GeyzeR
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