EPTSan Fran May Propose Banning Circumcision - Page 11
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Serpico
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:05 BlackJack wrote: The majority of people approve of their parent's decision to have them circumcised. If they didn't then they wouldn't have the same procedure done to their own children when they reproduced and the national rate would automatically diminish to nothing. Okay? You could say the exact same thing about the extreme forms of FGM practiced in Somalia. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:05 BlackJack wrote: The majority of people approve of their parent's decision to have them circumcised. If they didn't then they wouldn't have the same procedure done to their own children when they reproduced and the national rate would automatically diminish to nothing. Well that's not necessarily the case. Humans have various tendencies, and I would expect that for many parents, they do it simply because it is how it was for them. I expect for lots and lots of couples, no deep thought is put into the matter. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:05 BlackJack wrote: The majority of people approve of their parent's decision to have them circumcised. If they didn't then they wouldn't have the same procedure done to their own children when they reproduced and the national rate would automatically diminish to nothing. So many people don't even know what a circumcision is or whether they were circumcised that I wonder if that's even true. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:08 Mindcrime wrote: Okay? You could say the exact same thing about the extreme forms of FGM practiced in Somalia. ... How you can equally compare the cultural environment between men in America and women in Somalia are the same is beyond me. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:14 Manifesto7 wrote: ... How you can equally compare the cultural environment between men in America and women in Somalia are the same is beyond me. I wasn't? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:08 Mindcrime wrote: Okay? You could say the exact same thing about the extreme forms of FGM practiced in Somalia. That is as much a women's rights issue as anything else. There are a lot of other complications here that don't exist in western countries. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:14 Manifesto7 wrote: ... How you can equally compare the cultural environment between men in America and women in Somalia are the same is beyond me. Indeed. Somalian women, unlike American men, are forcibly circumcised as babies. Oh wait so are American men. I guess Mindcrime must've meant that American men don't have more non-circumcision-related rights than Somalian women and are required to wear full-body-veils as well as not own property. What a silly thing to say, Mindcrime. And shame on you for bringing non-germane social justice into a discussion of circumcision. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:21 BlackJack wrote: That is as much a women's rights issue as anything else. There are a lot of other complications here that don't exist in western countries. If that is a women's rights issue then circumcision must certainly be a rights issue as well, whether it be men's rights or individual rights. The amount of political power held by men in America relative to that held by women in Somalia does not change that. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:28 Severedevil wrote: Indeed. Somalian women, unlike American men, are forcibly circumcised as babies. Oh wait so are American men. Except that generation of American fathers will have the choice whether to circumcise their children or not based upon their experience, and that generation of Somalian mothers will not. | ||
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Yamoth
United States315 Posts
Different people have different religion with different tradition and not all of them agree with each other. It would be hypocritical to allowed something to continue on based how deeply rooted it is in one's tradition like circumcision and ban another deeply rooted tradition like polygamy or even worse banned something based no another deeply rooted religion like gay marriage. Law should enacted only on the premise of protecting welfare something in comparison to everything else. Any more than that, I truly believed it is violating the core principle of this great nation of mine. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:13 Severedevil wrote: So many people don't even know what a circumcision is or whether they were circumcised that I wonder if that's even true. This is one of the most important points. A friend of mine was telling me about one of her friends fucked some lad from abroad and got on the internet to look at pictures of penises because she didn't understand that the issue was that he was uncircurmcised ... she didn't know quite what she was looking at. And I consider this individual to otherwise be pretty smart. I can't fucking believe that shit. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
btw my penis does not look like an elephant trunk... i think everyone has different foreskin.. lol | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
doesn't get that serious to start rallies protesting against it. and calling it "mutilation" is beyond mental retardation. | ||
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danson
United States689 Posts
On November 29 2010 13:28 Roe wrote: Sounds good. I don't think a parent should have the power to mutilate their children, but supposedly if it's illegal people will go to back alley places and it will be even more dangerous I was tortured as a child. I was given booster shots and vaccines against extinct viruses without my consent. I demand that in addition to this law we allow kids to decide for themselves whether or not they need vaccines. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:31 Manifesto7 wrote: Except that generation of American fathers will have the choice whether to circumcise their children or not based upon their experience, and that generation of Somalian mothers will not. well what severedevil is trying to say is that majority rule isn't always right. Look at the Nazis. In Germany, most people (not all) supported the Nazis at that time. Just because the majority of people believe that their child should be circumcised doesn't mean it is right because it is violating the rights of the minority. Because it violates those rights, it should be banned. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:46 danson wrote: I was tortured as a child. I was given booster shots and vaccines against extinct viruses without my consent. I demand that in addition to this law we allow kids to decide for themselves whether or not they need vaccines. +1 to this post User was warned for this post | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:30 Mindcrime wrote: If that is a women's rights issue then circumcision must certainly be a rights issue as well, whether it be men's rights or individual rights. The amount of political power held by men in America relative to that held by women in Somalia does not change that. I think the political power women hold matters a lot. If it's a male dominated society and women are forced into FGM for the sake of men then that doesn't really compare to circumcision. Admittedly, I don't know a lot about FGM, I only read a few journal articles on it many years ago. One of the articles I read had testimonies from men why they like FGM, for example some get pleasure knowing that their counterpart is in pain during sex, or it creates a tighter vagina, etc. There are a lot of societal pressures that influence parent's decision into forcing their children to have FGM that doesn't make it as much of a free choice as in the western world. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:46 danson wrote: I was tortured as a child. I was given booster shots and vaccines against extinct viruses without my consent. I demand that in addition to this law we allow kids to decide for themselves whether or not they need vaccines. I agree, I don't expose my body to vaccines (after watching I AM LEGEND). I also think that we should let the child decide if they want to go to school or not. If I had this choice, I would have stayed uneducated and became a SC BW pro and I may have been able to rival Jaedong. I believe in FREE WILL!! | ||
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us.insurgency
United States330 Posts
On November 29 2010 16:48 aztrorisk wrote: well what severedevil is trying to say is that majority rule isn't always right. Look at the Nazis. In Germany, most people (not all) supported the Nazis at that time. Just because the majority of people believe that their child should be circumcised doesn't mean it is right because it is violating the rights of the minority. Because it violates those rights, it should be banned. We are not fighting Nazis. It is not that big of a deal. People that want their children to have it will do it. Those that dont wont have to. If it really "mutilated" their penis then people would stop doing it to their children. People hav been choosing it for a long time so obviously they dont care. | ||
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