EPTFun fact, the USA can not survive without China, neither can China survive without the USA. the USA has billions(trillions maybe?) of debt in China, and China buys US bonds to keep the yuan value low.
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Fun fact, the USA can not survive without China, neither can China survive without the USA. the USA has billions(trillions maybe?) of debt in China, and China buys US bonds to keep the yuan value low. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On September 29 2010 07:59 ccdnl wrote: A minority understands this--some adults, some young adults. Large majority are ignorant of it because they assume the government is working for their best. [Plus China is big, and a lot of stuff are censored, [news/internet], so information is hard to come by to a lot of people to even begin with] It disgusts me to speak with Chinese who have this sentiment. If you try to open their eyes, they just turn a blind eye to it. Many adults were born into this Communist society so they see things lighter than we do and see it as a way of life. The belief that the people who died at Tiananmen Square deserved it because they "disturbed" the government or attempted to "corrupt" the youth, is a very likely mindset for many older citizens of China. It disgusts me. Why don't the youth see this? Some do, but a whole damn lot go along with it because their parents do, censorship, etc. From what I've seen, most people understand exactly how corrupt the government is and largely agree that there have been many terrible human rights violations. + Show Spoiler + I have to say though, much of these have been exaggerated by western media though, for example: CNN showing photos of "Chinese police" beating Tibetan monks... when they were actually Nepalese police They just don't care; as long as their own lives are unaffected (for the most part), it's someone else's problem. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
USA is beginning to lose its grasp on their position as the most dominant country in the world. Oh if only this were true -_-. China still has a long way to go from #2 to #1. 1000% to be exact. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 29 2010 07:59 ccdnl wrote: A minority understands this--some adults, some young adults. Large majority are ignorant of it because they assume the government is working for their best. [Plus China is big, and a lot of stuff are censored, [news/internet], so information is hard to come by to a lot of people to even begin with] It disgusts me to speak with Chinese who have this sentiment. If you try to open their eyes, they just turn a blind eye to it. Many adults were born into this Communist society so they see things lighter than we do and see it as a way of life. The belief that the people who died at Tiananmen Square deserved it because they "disturbed" the government or attempted to "corrupt" the youth, is a very likely mindset for many older citizens of China. It disgusts me. Why don't the youth see this? Some do, but a whole damn lot go along with it because their parents do, censorship, etc. While i do agree censorship is a bad thing, it goes both ways, does anyone remember the video of tibetian monks hitting chinese babies with clubs?that was taken off BBC after a day, yet we were drown in videos of police brutality. | ||
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Grumbaki
Belgium141 Posts
On September 29 2010 07:59 buhhy wrote: The main reason China was fucked during the early 1900s was because of the Qing dynasty. The Ming dynasty was fine and many advancements happened during that time. China really stagnated during the Qing rule, and best of all, Europe came to fuck shit up in the Opium wars. After, everything just went downhill. If China had a democratic government after WWII, we'd be like India today. If i can only agree that Qing was worse than Ming, seeing Ming as progressive is romantic illusions. Totalitarian son of the sky bullshit all the way, basically owning the people. The only thing they had going for them is the mandarin exam and even that got flawed. If i had to pick one i'd go Tang. Oh and please don't get me started on India...without hippies dreams and a Head of state wearing sheets as cloths, it would be seen nowadays as the hellhole it is. Sure, developped regions/cities are fine, but the rest of the place is a huge mess. (Edit: posted too slow, didn't see that you're not one of the blind India lovers) | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Oh and please don't get me started on India...without hippies dreams and a Head of state wearing sheets as cloths, it would be seen nowadays as the hellhole it is. Sure, developped regions/cities are fine, but the rest of the place is a huge mess. I think he agrees with you on that. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:11 Half wrote: Oh if only this were true -_-. China still has a long way to go from #2 to #1. 1000% to be exact. i did say starting  , china indeed has a long way to go to be as dominant as the United States is currently(maybe it will never reach that point admittedly) but it is happening, They have a disgusting growth in economy(which may even grow TOO fast for the country itself) and with economic power comes political power. | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:11 Half wrote: Oh if only this were true -_-. China still has a long way to go from #2 to #1. 1000% to be exact. Yeah... China won't reach #1 territory. The US will be trying everything in its power to keep China down. Mass media is only 1 facet. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:13 Kipsate wrote: i did say starting , china indeed has a long way to go to be as dominant as the United States is currently(maybe it will never reach that point admittedly) but it is happening, They have a disgusting growth in economy(which may even grow TOO fast for the country itself) and with economic power comes political power.Sadly most analysts agree that this will take centuries (If it happens at all). China's current level of growth isn't sustainable. It isn't unsustainable in the sense that its going to cataclysmically collapse or anything, but it will slow substantially. Currently, this is most evident in Real Estate. http://meiguoxing.com/blog/tag/ordos/ So get used to U.S. Hegemony for a while, unless you want to go join the Taliban or start unabombing T_T. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:15 buhhy wrote: Yeah... China won't reach #1 territory. The US will be trying everything in its power to keep China down. Mass media is only 1 facet. Thats the thing,what can the USA do apart from mass media? what good will it do in terms of China's economical power?people won't stop buying Chinese products just because they are made in a country where human rights are being violated Edit:we are going way offtopic now though. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:12 Grumbaki wrote: If i can only agree that Qing was worse than Ming, seeing Ming as progressive is romantic illusions. Totalitarian son of the sky bullshit all the way, basically owning the people. The only thing they had going for them is the mandarin exam and even that got flawed. If i had to pick one i'd go Tang. The Qing were extremely conservative and xenophobic. They stifled scientific and social advancements for fear of being overthrown. China completely stagnated during that period. | ||
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:07 synapse wrote: From what I've seen, most people understand exactly how corrupt the government is and largely agree that there have been many terrible human rights violations. + Show Spoiler + I have to say though, much of these have been exaggerated by western media though, for example: CNN showing photos of "Chinese police" beating Tibetan monks... when they were actually Nepalese police They just don't care; as long as their own lives are unaffected (for the most part), it's someone else's problem. That, Synapse is absolutely correct and that is what annoys me. On September 29 2010 08:02 Half wrote: I'd respect this opinion so much more if your tag said "China". Who are you to choose for them whether they want Freedom or Security? Especially considering a lot of people I know are fully aware and chose security. You can't be serious Half. That isn't even going to warrant a pertinent reply. Use your head. Basing your opinion on my stance because of my origin? Base it on the content, you ___. Do you know whether the tag is accurate, whether I am from China, moved to USA, vice versa? I feel like calling you an idiot but I'll just ignore you. On September 29 2010 08:01 buhhy wrote: Really...? Social turmoil in this time would be disastrous for China. People aren't ignorant, they just want a stable life. Very true, I agree with the notion that they don't care because all they care about is themselves and just want a stable life. Seeing someone dying on the street and not calling the ambulance because you don't want to be disturbed--is that ignorant? Ignorant of that person's life? Try to see the connection and if you think otherwise I welcome a constructive reply. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:20 buhhy wrote: The Qing were extremely conservative and xenophobic. They stifled scientific and social advancements for fear of being overthrown. China completely stagnated during that period. Sure, the Tang and Han were the greatest dynasties, but the Ming was far from the worst. For every problem Ming had, Qing had. For problems Ming did not have, Qing had too. Kudos for ppl like 孙中山 and 张学良 for acting selflessly cleaning up the mess that was left behind. | ||
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Grumbaki
Belgium141 Posts
The US currently "owe" China 867.7 billions $ (may 2010) out of 12,594.8 billions $ national debt. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
You can't be serious Half. That isn't even going to warrant a pertinent reply. Use your head. Basing your opinion on my stance because of my origin? Do you know whether the tag is accurate, whether I am from China, moved to USA, vice versa? I feel like calling you an idiot but I'll just ignore you. Seriously, you're fucking annoying. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. It has to do with your position of residence. It has to do with your advocating changes for someone else country, that have nothing to do with you, and will not negatively effect you in any way, and in the end of the day, you get a kick out of feeling morally superior. Like, literally, if China democratically reforms and say, a hundred thousand people die, you literally wouldn't be effected at all by the deaths of a hundred thousand human beings. Tell me, do you support the U.S invasion to liberate the Iraqi people? Freedom requires sacrifice. I'd sacrifice for my country. And if this were your country you lived in, you'd have to sacrifice too. But please don't fucking going around telling other people that they have to sacrifice when your in some fucking 1st world country eating doritos and browsing a gaming website. | ||
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
On September 29 2010 08:11 Kipsate wrote: While i do agree censorship is a bad thing, it goes both ways, does anyone remember the video of tibetian monks hitting chinese babies with clubs?that was taken off BBC after a day, yet we were drown in videos of police brutality. Yep, you are right, there is censorship, propaganda world wide. But a good warning is: don't use it as an excuse to justify it. Two wrongs dont make a right. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
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