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On October 09 2010 03:20 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 03:10 haduken wrote:
Just read a Chinese news site. With title: No Nobel Prize for China again.
I wonder how they going to spin that, Norway cancelled Nobel Peace Prize? They spun it with the whole "No Nobel prize for scientific pursuits were awarded to china, etc etc".
It's not really a spin. The scientific Nobels are highly coveted in China, for the other ones, it's mixed at best, some people didn't like the Chinese literature winner in 2000 (iirc). It's an unhealthy and unnatural obsession with the science ones though.
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^ Yeah but I meant spin in the sense that all media spins headlines in some way shape or form. To be honest, they'd likely write the same headline even if some no namer Chinese won the Noble Peace Prize.
I wouldn't say it's an unnatural or unhealthy fixation on the sciences. China has long held that the more natural science topics are more valuable pursuits than softer arts.
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On October 09 2010 03:24 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 03:20 KissBlade wrote:On October 09 2010 03:10 haduken wrote:
Just read a Chinese news site. With title: No Nobel Prize for China again.
I wonder how they going to spin that, Norway cancelled Nobel Peace Prize? They spun it with the whole "No Nobel prize for scientific pursuits were awarded to china, etc etc". It's not really a spin. The scientific Nobels are highly coveted in China, for the other ones, it's mixed at best, some people didn't like the Chinese literature winner in 2000 (iirc). It's an unhealthy and unnatural obsession with the science ones though.
Aren't math and science related jobs more prized in China than other jobs? I remember a couple of foreign Chinese folk that attended my high school a couple years back, and they were always pressured to do very well in the maths and sciences. It seems to be a recurrent theme I've noticed.
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Well that's different. The reason foreign Chinese folks are more pressured to do well in maths and sciences in the US is because they can't compete in the other fields as equally. Literature and history are still considered very important as an educated scholar in China. Most of my youth was spent writing and studying Chinese proverbs to learn Chinese characters. History is especially important since China believes strongly in learning lessons from the past. For example, one of the reasons, Hu Jin tao was chosen was because he was very well versed in Chinese history pre-Mao era.
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Hu looks so stiff all the time. I was watching him during the 2008 Olympic ceremony, nothing, expressionless, not even a blink of eye. -_-
Jiang was an ugly toad but at least you can laugh at him.
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On October 09 2010 03:37 haduken wrote:
Hu looks so stiff all the time. I was watching him during the 2008 Olympic ceremony, nothing, expressionless, not even a blink of eye. -_-
Jiang was an ugly toad but at least you can laugh at him.
He's not actually that stiff when not dealing with foreign affairs. He frequently plays ping pong with regular folks and regularly gets involved in everyday folks. Yes, most of them are probably publicity shots but at least he's seen doing them a lot more than our vaunted "people's president" Obama who's taken more vacation time than Bush spent on his own ranch. GFG.
Grass greener from me I guess, blah blah blah.
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Chinese people are celebrating for the first Nobel Prize while the government bust their ass to block the news in China.
Talk about ironic. The people that are celebrating didn't even know the winner at all, especially before the prize was given.
SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY CELEBRATING FOR?
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Chinese people have always seemed pretty damn smart in my eyes (at least those in North america)....i just dont get why they take absolutely every step necessary to ensure and enforce that human rights keep getting fucked over in their country. Like......why ?! who wakes up in the morning saying; yeah, great day today... i think im gonna go fuck some of my fellow citizens' human rights. My future grandchildren will live a much better life if we make sure to imprison the most vocal human rights activists. So, if im a spokeswoman for the Chinese government, i need to make sure to highlight the fact that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to that dude would send the wrong message to the world because its obviously against the Nobel committee's principles to award peace prizes to dudes who fight for peace.
"It would run contrary to the aims of its founder to promote peace between peoples, and to promote international friendship and disarmament, she added." okay...thats some major-league bullshit darling.
why do you wake up in the morning girl? What's your personal contribution to this world? Why the fuck do you feel the need to create traffic on chinese roads? When you sit down at work on your chair, may i ask you how your neurons are interacting together to produce your day's worth of human productivity?
by fucking your own people's human rights, you're fucking yourself and your children in the long-run.
/rant.
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They gave it to Obama, just goes to show they'll give it to ANYONE. China shouldn't be so upset.
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Seems like the Nobel winners wife is missing. Should be in your local newspaper site etc.
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On October 09 2010 13:44 intrudor wrote:
Chinese people have always seemed pretty damn smart in my eyes (at least those in North america)....i just dont get why they take absolutely every step necessary to ensure and enforce that human rights keep getting fucked over in their country. Like......why ?! who wakes up in the morning saying; yeah, great day today... i think im gonna go fuck some of my fellow citizens' human rights. My future grandchildren will live a much better life if we make sure to imprison the most vocal human rights activists. So, if im a spokeswoman for the Chinese government, i need to make sure to highlight the fact that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to that dude would send the wrong message to the world because its obviously against the Nobel committee's principles to award peace prizes to dudes who fight for peace.
"It would run contrary to the aims of its founder to promote peace between peoples, and to promote international friendship and disarmament, she added." okay...thats some major-league bullshit darling.
why do you wake up in the morning girl? What's your personal contribution to this world? Why the fuck do you feel the need to create traffic on chinese roads? When you sit down at work on your chair, may i ask you how your neurons are interacting together to produce your day's worth of human productivity?
by fucking your own people's human rights, you're fucking yourself and your children in the long-run.
/rant.
Absolutely irritates the Hell out of me. I can't believe they censor the media like this....it's 1984 in reality!
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I think this letter is to the point and very well written wihtout being respectless. I think this is the correct message to send to the Chinese government and, sadly, it is a message most Western leaders are afraid to send due to economic dependencies.
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On September 29 2010 07:13 composition wrote:
Charter 08 is a petition for Democratic Elections. Liu Xiaobo is inciting revolution.
"...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.”
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson
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On October 09 2010 13:44 intrudor wrote:
Chinese people have always seemed pretty damn smart in my eyes (at least those in North america)....i just dont get why they take absolutely every step necessary to ensure and enforce that human rights keep getting fucked over in their country. Like......why ?! who wakes up in the morning saying; yeah, great day today... i think im gonna go fuck some of my fellow citizens' human rights.
You do realize that only a very minuscule proportion of the people are in charge and have the power to enforce the "fucking over of people's humans rights" right? The average Chinese citizen most likely doesn't condone these actions; a nation's government's actions aren't usually reflective of the views of the nation's people, especially in a one-party state.
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On October 24 2010 06:49 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 07:13 composition wrote:
Charter 08 is a petition for Democratic Elections. Liu Xiaobo is inciting revolution.
"...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.”
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson
You really should read threads or at least skim through them before you post. Especially when it saves you from looking like a clown.
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Why doesn't the UN bitch at China if its violating the international declaration of human rights? That doesn't seem entirely fair. Is it because China was one of the victors in WW2 and they have a permanent seat in the UN?
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On October 24 2010 07:23 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Why doesn't the UN bitch at China if its violating the international declaration of human rights? That doesn't seem entirely fair. Is it because China was one of the victors in WW2 and they have a permanent seat in the UN?
Because China can whip up plenty of dirty laundry for other countries, Security Council or not. There's a reason why developed countries don't get into these fights; it doesn't do any good for anyone.
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On October 24 2010 07:06 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 06:49 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On September 29 2010 07:13 composition wrote:
Charter 08 is a petition for Democratic Elections. Liu Xiaobo is inciting revolution.
"...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.”
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson You really should read threads or at least skim through them before you post. Especially when it saves you from looking like a clown.
Actually that was a response to that specific person. If I made some sort of uncouth interruption of the discussion in the thread I apologize.
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