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You can't be serious Half. That isn't even going to warrant a pertinent reply. Use your head. Basing your opinion on my stance because of my origin? Do you know whether the tag is accurate, whether I am from China, moved to USA, vice versa? I feel like calling you an idiot but I'll just ignore you.
[HALF]It has nothing to do with ethnicity. It has to do with your advocating changes for someone else country, that have nothing to do with you, and will not negatively effect you in any way, and in the end of the day, you get a kick out of feeling morally superior.
Tell me, do you support the U.S invasion to liberate the Iraqi people? [HALF] [/QUOTE]
Sweet, I never knew responding to a response could be as easy as saying the same thing twice cause they fail to actually read the content because[possibly] they are so full of themselves, believe in their stance that they fail to actually understand the material. And just want to defend themselves.
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On September 29 2010 08:20 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 08:12 Grumbaki wrote:On September 29 2010 07:59 buhhy wrote:On September 29 2010 07:53 Grumbaki wrote:
Oh and a few last thing.
Despite its past innovations and culture, China was in middle age at the begining of 20th century. Specially socially. Then they had the shittiest time during WW2. Then Mao who was partly paranoid tyrant dumbf*ck partly necessary evil. The country is out of middle age basically since 79 (Deng's call)...that's 30 years! They need some time (once again that doesn't justify the sufferance of people now).
Every country has a founding myth. US is "freedom, land of the braves", France is "kick the ass with anyone with authority". That's just 2 examples, you can find the one of your own country. For china it's "division is weakness, strong central power is prosperity": Check Xinshi Huangdi and the warring states period to understand. It plays a central role in chinese culture and political average joe opinion.
Foreigners opening their mouth too loud will be badly seen for a long time. Beyond Japand and WW2, we generally forget the atrocities that the west did during the trade counters period.
The main reason China was fucked during the early 1900s was because of the Qing dynasty. The Ming dynasty was fine and many advancements happened during that time. China really stagnated during the Qing rule, and best of all, Europe came to fuck shit up in the Opium wars. After, everything just went downhill. If China had a democratic government after WWII, we'd be like India today. If i can only agree that Qing was worse than Ming, seeing Ming as progressive is romantic illusions. Totalitarian son of the sky bullshit all the way, basically owning the people. The only thing they had going for them is the mandarin exam and even that got flawed. If i had to pick one i'd go Tang. The Qing were extremely conservative and xenophobic. They stifled scientific and social advancements for fear of being overthrown. China completely stagnated during that period. Sure, the Tang and Han were the greatest dynasties, but the Ming was far from the worst.
Hehe we actually agree mate. I'm just being a bit rougher on the Ming as I only take into account in my personnal ranking the long lasting non challenged dynasties. That limits the list.
Anyway glad ot go all "superman vs batman" nerd about chinese dynasties on TL. Very good surprise 
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On September 29 2010 07:46 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 07:43 thedeadhaji wrote:
lol china...
I guess they're the new bullies of the world (supplanting the USA) NEVER U S A U S A!
Before you say "usa usa" and such, might wanna ask china permission, considering they allmost own your country anyways 
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Lets all go to China!!! Its so awesome there!!!
Freedom of Expression FTW!!
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Basing your opinion on my stance because of my origin? Do you know whether the tag is accurate, whether I am from China, moved to USA, vice versa?
Am I wrong? Are you posting this from Mainland China, and plan to live there on a long term basis?
I read your post sir and it was dumb. I don't care that I could be wrong. That I might be wrong. If you are going to tell me that I am wrong, go ahead and do so. Tell me that you are living in mainland China of this post. Otherwise, stfu.
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On September 29 2010 08:27 Half wrote:Show nested quote +
You can't be serious Half. That isn't even going to warrant a pertinent reply. Use your head. Basing your opinion on my stance because of my origin? Do you know whether the tag is accurate, whether I am from China, moved to USA, vice versa? I feel like calling you an idiot but I'll just ignore you.
Seriously, you're fucking annoying. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. It has to do with your position of residence. It has to do with your advocating changes for someone else country, that have nothing to do with you, and will not negatively effect you in any way, and in the end of the day, you get a kick out of feeling morally superior. Like, literally, if China democratically reforms and say, a hundred thousand people die, you literally wouldn't be effected at all by the deaths of a hundred thousand human beings. Tell me, do you support the U.S invasion to liberate the Iraqi people? Freedom requires sacrifice. I'd sacrifice for my country. And if this were your country you lived in, you'd have to sacrifice too. But please don't fucking going around telling other people that they have to sacrifice when your in some fucking 1st world country eating doritos and browsing a gaming website.
As I see you have edited your post in the meanwhile, I'll respond to it again.
You are correct, someone OUTSIDE of a system wanting to change that same system is very icky. Bare my diction. Let us go over what I responded to. I responded to your comment that you based your opinion of mine on where my "residence is". Very immature and naive. You do not know whether I have moved to China from USA, or immigrated to USA. Jumping to automatic conclusions is 101 of things not to do in discussions.
"Seriously, you're fucking annoying"--If you can't be mature enough to read another's opinion without being emotionally jerked then the door is that way. --->>>>>>>>
Back to the actual content, I do not support U.S. liberating the Iraqi people. Other countries have no business of interfering, yes. But how does this pertain to me replying to a question on how people in China feel about this? Again, you do not know if I'm not in China, or recently in it. Second, I am telling the inital asker what people's sentiment were. I was not persuading him to interfere with the country or nor am I doing the same. Please stop with the sophistry and misleading disgust.
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actually Nobel peace prize lost all credibility in many occasions. Dalai Lama won it for example
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On September 29 2010 08:36 Half wrote:Show nested quote +Basing your opinion on my stance because of my origin? Do you know whether the tag is accurate, whether I am from China, moved to USA, vice versa? Am I wrong? Are you posting this from Mainland China, and plan to live there on a long term basis? I read your post sir and it was dumb. I don't care that I could be wrong. That I might be wrong. If you are going to tell me that I am wrong, go ahead and do so. Tell me that you are living in mainland China of this post. Otherwise, stfu.
I recently came from China. Lived there for 19 years. I do plan on returning some day.
"you don't care if you could be wrong"?
So you just admitted to being ill-tempered and favored jumping to conclusions. I see. Whatever floats your sinking boat of logic.
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I was not persuading him to interfere with the country or nor am I doing the same.
No, your marginalizing everyone who is in the country and has something to lose for not sacrificing it for your ideals. Ideals which I happen to agree with, but is not your choice.
"you don't care if you could be wrong"?
So you just admitted to being ill-tempered and favored jumping to conclusions. I see. Whatever floats your sinking boat of logic.
Yes, I could be wrong. However, I was not. Your main refutation of my points is that I could be wrong, despite the fact that I am not. And then you accuse me of sophistry. wtf.
I recently came from China. Lived there for 19 years. I do plan on returning some day.
Why did you leave? If it isn't for political reasons I don't think your really at a moral vantage to talk.
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The nobel prize is a circus and a joke lately.
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On September 29 2010 08:44 Half wrote:Show nested quote +Again, you do not know if I'm not in China, or recently in it. Second, I am telling the inital asker what people's sentiment were. I was not persuading him to interfere with the country or nor am I doing the same. Please stop with the sophistry and misleading disgust. Wait I'm the one whos being a sophist? Seriously, do you live in mainland China, or have you recently left due to political ostracism/asylum. Your entire argument is Yes or no. Show nested quote +I was not persuading him to interfere with the country or nor am I doing the same. No, your marginalizing everyone who is in the country and has something to lose for not sacrificing it for your ideals. Ideals which I happen to agree with, but is not your choice. Show nested quote +
I recently came from China. Lived there for 19 years. I do plan on returning some day.
Why did you leave? If it isn't for political reasons I don't think you really your at a more vantage to talk.
All of this is evasion because up to your previous post, I have answered all your quesitons and you have yet to simply respond to mine directly. I said what you comparing my answer to the man's question to US interfering in Iraq is irrelevant and misleading. If you have a problem with me calling you out on sophistry how about you reveal the connection you see so cleary so I could possibly be persuaded instead of answering my question without answering anything.
"No, your marginalizing everyone who is in the country and has something to lose for not sacrificing it for your ideals. Ideals which I happen to agree with, but is not your choice."
Do expand on this, if you wish, I do not comprehend this.
Why did you leave? If it isn't for political reasons I don't think you really your at a more vantage to talk. [/QUOTE]
My family and my choice of leaving is none of your business. And I need to double check this but are you saying that if I didn't leave China for political reasons then I'm not at a vantage to talk? Kinda confused due to your grammar but I am guessing thats what you meant. I really have nothing to say to such bigotry. Does this mean I have to leave CHINA only for poliitcal reasons? What happens if I left it for 49% political 51% other, or 51% political or 49% other. Or what if I left for 50/50%, how does your logic proceed?
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China.
Their politics have always been terrible. For a developed nation, lack of freedom of speech is extremely shocking. I also love how they have virtually no labor laws (unless that's changed recently....)
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tl;dr the whole thread .. but he DID violate chinese law ..
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All of this is evasion because up to your previous post, I have answered all your quesitons and you have yet to simply respond to mine directly. I said what you comparing my answer to the man's question to US interfering in Iraq is irrelevant and misleading. If you have a problem with me calling you out on sophistry how about you reveal the connection you see so cleary so I could possibly be persuaded instead of answering my question without answering anything.
"No, your marginalizing everyone who is in the country and has something to lose for not sacrificing it for your ideals. Ideals which I happen to agree with, but is not your choice."
Do expand on this, if you wish, I do not comprehend this.
My family and my choice of leaving is none of your business. And I need to double check this but are you saying that if I didn't leave China for political reasons then I'm not at a vantage to talk? Kinda confused due to your grammar but I am guessing thats what you meant. I really have nothing to say to such bigotry. Does this mean I have to leave CHINA only for poliitcal reasons? What happens if I left it for 49% political 51% other, or 51% political or 49% other. Or what if I left for 50/50%, how does your logic proceed?
loool.
Seriously. I'm dodging? What the hell am I dodging from? What do you want to crucify me for? Feel free. Am I BM to you? Ok. Sorry. Want a cookie? That perhaps I drew my conclusions in a way that wasn't "Scientifically sound"? Ok. Sure. You haven't even made any accusations against me besides that I "Could" have been wrong, despite the fact that I am not.
Now can you please stop dodging and face the facts? Despite all your silly criticisms, the fact remains that I was 100% right on my assumption. You don't live in China, and weren't driven out by the government or anything. And the fact that you want to return later only compounds my points that you advocate ideals you aren't willing to sacrifice for.
My point is that you have absolutely no right as a person who no longer lives in China to advocate that China's citizens sacrifice for your ideals. Simple as that. Because you won't sacrifice, and haven't already sacrificed. "Go sacrifice for my ideals of freedom". "You should Give up stability because I value it more then freedom". That is pure hypocrisy.
also I made 1 typo. One. Srsly lol do you have any sort of point at all?
I really have nothing to say to such bigotry
You need to look up the definition of bigotry.
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On September 29 2010 08:30 Grumbaki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 08:20 buhhy wrote:On September 29 2010 08:12 Grumbaki wrote:On September 29 2010 07:59 buhhy wrote:On September 29 2010 07:53 Grumbaki wrote:
Oh and a few last thing.
Despite its past innovations and culture, China was in middle age at the begining of 20th century. Specially socially. Then they had the shittiest time during WW2. Then Mao who was partly paranoid tyrant dumbf*ck partly necessary evil. The country is out of middle age basically since 79 (Deng's call)...that's 30 years! They need some time (once again that doesn't justify the sufferance of people now).
Every country has a founding myth. US is "freedom, land of the braves", France is "kick the ass with anyone with authority". That's just 2 examples, you can find the one of your own country. For china it's "division is weakness, strong central power is prosperity": Check Xinshi Huangdi and the warring states period to understand. It plays a central role in chinese culture and political average joe opinion.
Foreigners opening their mouth too loud will be badly seen for a long time. Beyond Japand and WW2, we generally forget the atrocities that the west did during the trade counters period.
The main reason China was fucked during the early 1900s was because of the Qing dynasty. The Ming dynasty was fine and many advancements happened during that time. China really stagnated during the Qing rule, and best of all, Europe came to fuck shit up in the Opium wars. After, everything just went downhill. If China had a democratic government after WWII, we'd be like India today. If i can only agree that Qing was worse than Ming, seeing Ming as progressive is romantic illusions. Totalitarian son of the sky bullshit all the way, basically owning the people. The only thing they had going for them is the mandarin exam and even that got flawed. If i had to pick one i'd go Tang. The Qing were extremely conservative and xenophobic. They stifled scientific and social advancements for fear of being overthrown. China completely stagnated during that period. Sure, the Tang and Han were the greatest dynasties, but the Ming was far from the worst. Hehe we actually agree mate. I'm just being a bit rougher on the Ming as I only take into account in my personnal ranking the long lasting non challenged dynasties. That limits the list. Anyway glad ot go all "superman vs batman" nerd about chinese dynasties on TL. Very good surprise
Lol, actually, just realized that last sentence is pointless, will edit it out.
On September 29 2010 08:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
China.
Their politics have always been terrible. For a developed nation, lack of freedom of speech is extremely shocking. I also love how they have virtually no labor laws (unless that's changed recently....)
China isn't developed. It's like the western world during the industrial revolution. IE: shitty working conditions for little pay. The west grew out of that with time, China will too.
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On September 29 2010 08:24 ccdnl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 08:01 buhhy wrote:
Really...? Social turmoil in this time would be disastrous for China. People aren't ignorant, they just want a stable life. Very true, I agree with the notion that they don't care because all they care about is themselves and just want a stable life. Seeing someone dying on the street and not calling the ambulance because you don't want to be disturbed--is that ignorant? Ignorant of that person's life? Try to see the connection and if you think otherwise I welcome a constructive reply.
If I see someone dying, calling the ambulance is a very small price for me to pay to save the man. However, if, say I have to cut off my left arm to save this man, I won't do it, since the cost is too high.
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However, if, say I have to cut off my left arm to save this man, I won't do it, since the cost is too high.
I would without a second thought and I still think hes an idiot -_-.
This would be like me yelling at you for not doing so despite not be prepared to do the same thing myself.
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On September 29 2010 09:11 Half wrote:Show nested quote +However, if, say I have to cut off my left arm to save this man, I won't do it, since the cost is too high. I would without a second thought I still think hes an idiot -_-. This would be like me yelling at you for not doing so despite not be prepared to do the same thing myself.
Lol, his question doesn't even relate to China's situation at all. And personally, I would not be able to hack off my own arm on the street, even if it would save someone.
Agree with the second paragraph.
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On September 29 2010 09:00 Half wrote:Show nested quote +
All of this is evasion because up to your previous post, I have answered all your quesitons and you have yet to simply respond to mine directly. I said what you comparing my answer to the man's question to US interfering in Iraq is irrelevant and misleading. If you have a problem with me calling you out on sophistry how about you reveal the connection you see so cleary so I could possibly be persuaded instead of answering my question without answering anything.
"No, your marginalizing everyone who is in the country and has something to lose for not sacrificing it for your ideals. Ideals which I happen to agree with, but is not your choice."
Do expand on this, if you wish, I do not comprehend this.
My family and my choice of leaving is none of your business. And I need to double check this but are you saying that if I didn't leave China for political reasons then I'm not at a vantage to talk? Kinda confused due to your grammar but I am guessing thats what you meant. I really have nothing to say to such bigotry. Does this mean I have to leave CHINA only for poliitcal reasons? What happens if I left it for 49% political 51% other, or 51% political or 49% other. Or what if I left for 50/50%, how does your logic proceed?
loool. Seriously. I'm dodging? What the hell am I dodging from? What do you want to crucify me for? Feel free. Am I BM to you? Ok. Sorry. Want a cookie? That perhaps I drew my conclusions in a way that wasn't "Scientifically sound"? Ok. Sure. You haven't even made any accusations against me besides that I "Could" have been wrong, despite the fact that I am not. Now can you please stop dodging and face the facts? Despite all your silly criticisms, the fact remains that I was 100% right on my assumption. You don't live in China, and weren't driven out by the government or anything. And the fact that you want to return later only compounds my points that you advocate ideals you aren't willing to sacrifice for. My point is that you have absolutely no right as a person who no longer lives in China to advocate that China's citizens sacrifice for your ideals. Simple as that. Because you won't sacrifice, and haven't already sacrificed. "Go sacrifice for my ideals of freedom". " You should Give up stability because I value it more then freedom". That is pure hypocrisy. also I made 1 typo. One. Srsly lol do you have any sort of point at all? You need to look up the definition of bigotry.
Last post, just to point out how fail 'jumping to conclusions' logic is nothing but fail.
You still havent answered my question to how Iraq + Usa pertains to me answering the man's question. You not only did not draw your conclusions properly, you drew them out of thin air. If you're going to have a logical, intelligent discussion with anyone, that aspect of yours will just kill the discussion. If one person is replying with whatever he feels like accusing just to get his point across, then that is not a discussion.
It is an idiot being bigot. If you feel you must advise me to look up the definition, here it is: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. I called you a bigot because you said ONLY if I left the country for Political reasons I could have a say in this. Why am I even trying to explain this to you if you can't even see that simple connection. I am not a stubborn fool however so I'll try to explain.
You based again[ you see how your logic repeatedly fails you?] on nothing that I left China for non-political reasons. And on the naive assumption you will only listen to me IF I left for that reason. Does this not sound like "I will only let you talk about God if you believe in God?" Instead of trying to answer my question with questions why dont you just demonstrate your logic of why someone has to leave China for political reasons in order for them to talk about it? And to make you sound more of a moron, my family and I did leave China because we were fed up with the government. And to make you sound More of an idiot, I wish to return so I can try to reform China. Very ambitious but that is my sole reason of going back. Again you with your flawed logic jumped to another conclusion that "I want to return to China= I'm not willing to sacrifice for my ideals".
If you want me to show you an example of your logic, I can go ahead right now and say you are a 2 feet tall, constantly frustrated, bald old man because of denial of any form of love in your life. You see what I did? I just came to a conclusion about you without any form of proof. It is a hyperbole but just to demonstrate the immense stupidity of following such logic.
"also I made 1 typo. One. Srsly lol do you have any sort of point at all?" I was not trying to attack you, I gave a reason to why I had to double check with you. If you felt that way, then no comment.
You could reply, I might even read your reply but this is the end of the discussion for me. You supporting that sort of logic will only bring me in circles.
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On September 29 2010 09:09 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 08:24 ccdnl wrote:On September 29 2010 08:01 buhhy wrote:
Really...? Social turmoil in this time would be disastrous for China. People aren't ignorant, they just want a stable life. Very true, I agree with the notion that they don't care because all they care about is themselves and just want a stable life. Seeing someone dying on the street and not calling the ambulance because you don't want to be disturbed--is that ignorant? Ignorant of that person's life? Try to see the connection and if you think otherwise I welcome a constructive reply. If I see someone dying, calling the ambulance is a very small price for me to pay to save the man. However, if, say I have to cut off my left arm to save this man, I won't do it, since the cost is too high.
On September 29 2010 09:14 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 09:11 Half wrote:However, if, say I have to cut off my left arm to save this man, I won't do it, since the cost is too high. I would without a second thought I still think hes an idiot -_-. This would be like me yelling at you for not doing so despite not be prepared to do the same thing myself. Lol, his question doesn't even relate to China's situation at all. And personally, I would not be able to hack off my own arm on the street, even if it would save someone. Agree with the second paragraph.
I shall proceed to try to explain my thoughts. Your original post states that people are not ignorant of their government. They just want a stable life.
I am not condoning or chastising people for wanting a stable life I am however saying that not wanting to care about their government's action just because they want a stable life is ignorant.
My metaphor was to demonstrate ignorance. I did not ask whether you would give up your arm. A man not bothering to call the ambulance for a dying man because he doesn't want to be bothered is ignorant of that person's health. You can say that you don't know him so you don't care. But it is still ignorance. Have you understood what I've tried to convey?
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