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On September 25 2010 03:15 Golden Ghost wrote:
@.risingdragoon
LOL. Please look at my join date before making that statement.
It is true I didn't post for many years but I always visited TL everyday and read (I dare to say) a VERY large part of the posts.
ahhh shit, u r an oldie, I only go back to late 2006 or so, and I thought I didn't post a lot.
but honestly I think you need to post more to know moderation. mostly it's good, and other times not. vets have to do quite a lot to get perm banned though
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They are not too strict. Stopping flame wars in their tracks is a mark of a great forum. Also banning someone and coming back on the decision is better than not banning a troll and getting tons of spams.
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Are they too strict? Nah, I'm willing to go as far as them being too lenient.
Stupidity should be punishable. At least, here it is. If I'd want 4-chan or B.net forums level of discussions I'd go there. I expect more from people here.
If I'd want to be rick rolled in every other thread in the OP, I would go to another place.
If I'd want bronze level players talking balance and disregarding diamond players and progamers, I'd go to the b.net forums.
Don't tell me I don't know what jokes are. I do. The only jokes I hate are the same ones that get reposted over and over again, like that stupid Idra's impression on patch video. I spend enough time on the internet to get sick of it in every SC2/BW thread I see in a lot of forums. It was funny the 1st 3 times. Now it's just annoying.
If you want to let this forum degenerate into a garbage bin of the internet, then that is your choice.
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Also i have seen similar topics before (more than once i could add), usualy they end in mods being reassured in their ways (and rightly so).
On September 25 2010 03:15 Golden Ghost wrote:
@.risingdragoon
LOL. Please look at my join date before making that statement.
It is true I didn't post for many years but I always visited TL everyday and read (I dare to say) a VERY large part of the posts.
I have joined same week as You did (or week after) and we have almost the same post count LURKER HIGH FIVE
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i've seen a few unnecessary warns or bans, but it's so gratifying to see someone who posted 'First' or some equally worthless troll or flame get temp banned.
So yeah i don't believe TL Admins are too harsh.
Although occasionally they close some topics which might have merit, but it is their forum if they don't want that discussed that's their right.
i am not referring to zerg qq threads either. IF those weren't closed that's all there would be.
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On September 25 2010 03:22 Godstorm wrote:
dude this isn't a site run by democratic ellection. mods do whatever they want
that kind of comment is just dumb man. TL is well orginazed, and that's why it's the best site out there. People like you just get banned for saying some dumb shit like that
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On September 25 2010 03:22 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 03:15 Golden Ghost wrote:
@.risingdragoon
LOL. Please look at my join date before making that statement.
It is true I didn't post for many years but I always visited TL everyday and read (I dare to say) a VERY large part of the posts. ahhh shit, u r an oldie, I only go back to late 2006 or so, and I thought I didn't post a lot. but honestly I think you need to post more to know moderation. mostly it's good, and other times not. vets have to do quite a lot to get perm banned though
You are forgiven 
And with regards to your last part I guess I'll find that out in the long run
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TL isn't publicly owned the last time I checked.
If a person ran into a church yelling that religion is a lie and gets escorted out, is that a restriction on free speech? I would think not, same thing here.
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"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."
I'd rather mods crack down on flamebait and make posters think how they should properly word their opinions / posts.
the immaturity level on TL would skyrocket if the mods were to not take this stance
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The forum isn't too strict. It should be even stricter if it were up to me but im fine with the way it is. A forum is for civilized discussion about interesting topics. People who just want to blow it out their asses can go to the local pub and start fights there (lol, yea right, internet ego ftw).
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I agree that some posts don't deserve to get banned for what they've said, but generally the bans I see don't surprise me.
Honestly, just keep your opinion respectful and say it in a respectful way. If you're saying things that you know will get many people into a heated debate or angry, you're just asking for it.
Now for people who say that the poster that got banned didn't contribute to the topic, that's a lame excuse. Why? Because I see a million posts a day saying "cool!" "I agree!" "that's awesome man!" and do those in any way contribute to a topic? No, they don't.
However, I agree with those that say he made a post that was going to lead the topic to ruin. He deserved the ban for basically just trying to annoy people because honestly, after reading what he said I don't even think he read what idra posted, or gave any thought to it if he did.
Also funny the amount of brown nosers I see on here, who just accept whatever TL does without criticism "it's teh best forum evar!" "Moderation is perfect! I would make it even stricter if I could!"
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If anything i'd want them to ban more people for stupid posts So many "waaahh this and this is too strong" threads around. And the post you mentioned OP was really a useless troll post, claiming Idra isn't happy "since he didnt get buffed" is something drooling idiots on the WoW forums talk about, pro players usually want balance, since they enjoy a challenge, everyone doesnt want everything handed to them.
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On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:This thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453The first response was a guy that said this: Show nested quote +
"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."
User was warned for this post
User was temp banned for this post.
So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?" The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL. Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.
The tone and quality of a discussion in a new thread is set as much, if not moreso, by the first reply in the thread as/than it is by the OP. This loser came in, spammed some useless bullshit for the first reply, ruined any potential of having a decent thread, and got banned for it. As he should have been.
Post responsibly, that's all. Don't ruin threads. It's not that hard. This example should not be taken out of context.
This has nothing to do with 'strictness of speech' and everything to do with being a contibuting part of the discussion. You and your buddies can be talking about the economy and if I pop in and say "Bernanke touches children" you probably won't want me to take part in any further discussion because all I'm doing is trying to ruin whatever it is you guys are trying to do. Of course, if the discussion was about 'who does and does not touch children', you wouldn't kick me out of your little circle - nor would I be banned for saying such on a message board.
This isn't goddamn rocket science. It's about functioning properly and playing well with others. Stop trying to create drama where there is none.
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They could be stricter imho. Some posts on sc2 general are borderline permaban worthy. But anyways mods are doing their job and so far they have done it quite well.
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TL has better moderation than any other forum I've attended. The standards would plummet so hard if they eased up on the banhammering.
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Gamefaqs has the worse mods on a video game message board. Just google "gamefaqs mods" and you will find much hate on sites like ED and uncyclo
You can get modded for anything, because the mods will bend the rules as much as they want.
And no mod ever gets overturned unless the mod modded something so incredibly stupid that the poster will spam it everywhere and the mod will get flammed lol.
TL mods are strict, but at least they are human, and will ignore a lot of stuff.
Gamefaqs mods get-off on modding as much as possible and making people mad.
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I got banned a few times, but I'm not mad at them. Those posts that I got banned for doesn't mean that they are bad(some may be) but it just isn't what TL is about and these bans reminded me of that and it helps keep this site good.
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On September 25 2010 02:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
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Yeah sure, Hot_Bidel Castro.
Seriously though, I think moderating a forum this large is a bit of a slippery slope (and I hate slippery slope arguments.) Every action and non-action gets magnified and influences other users. If you see a user get warned, hopefully you'll understand why and not repeat it yourself. If you see people getting angry or overly rude and there's no action taken, then it's a subconscious endorsement for that type of behavior. So on the fine line of perfect fairness (not that it ever really exists), we tend towards being more conservative so that things don't get out of hand. The overall goal is to keep the forums moving smoothly and to have mostly content filled discussion. That's why things like poll threads are geerally not allowed.
I knew about all that before becoming a banling but what I didn't anticipate is having to read the forum differently. Reading for pleasure and scanning as a moderator are quite different. There is a process though and hopefully things are open enough so that reasonable appeals can be made.
EDIT: And of course, I've been warned a few times as well. I definitely deserved them and may have deserved a ban for one of them. D:
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Frankly I love the mods here, I hate this rubbish internet lingo that people speak in just because they can not be bothered to take even one more minute while making their posts. I smile every time I see someone getting banned for posting uninformed bullsh*t because frankly they deserve it. The TL mods to a great job of preventing the sc2 section from becoming a second 4chan.
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If the reply doesn't contribute to a post, that's one thing. But when a post works to actively derail the thread and turn it into a "all Zerg are whiners" conversation, that's where the line should be drawn.
I know the mods are just trying to keep this site with some kind of intellectual content. I'm not exactly a seasoned expert of the game, but I take StarCraft seriously enough where when I come onto what is supposed to be the leading authority on the subject, and see nothing but threads with a really well thought-out OP, and nothing but garbage as replies, it breaks my little zerg heart lol.
Also, I've been warned for a few posts, so I know how that feeling is. But when you look back at it, chances are you deserve it, and I have to congratulate the mods and admins for their work and contributions to the site.
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