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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 24 2010 17:50 GMT
#21
TL moderation is just dandy. Too many trolls ruin forums.
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Radios
Profile Joined February 2009
United States61 Posts
September 24 2010 17:51 GMT
#22
I, for one, appreciate what the mods do to keep this place civil. Taking action against unconstructive posters like that is part of the reason that Team Liquid has such a high quality community in the first place. The minute you open your forums to free discussion, you'll get all sorts of pointless bickering and trolling (see: the official Blizzard forums). Thankfully the Blizzard forums absorb most of the bad posters and keep them away from the fansites.
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
September 24 2010 17:52 GMT
#23
I've never felt like the moderation here is too strict. In fact, its probably not as strict as it used to be given the increase in post number post sc2 beta. I would imagine it would feel strict to the average 12 year old chatroulette trolling 4chan user so if you feel like its too strict there are many forums you can talk sc on such as the wonderful battle.net forums or gamefaqs.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5525 Posts
September 24 2010 17:52 GMT
#24
On September 25 2010 02:42 Cpt.beefy wrote:
I agree.

some banhammers ain't justified. It depends who reads the msg me thinks...... but what can WE do?



keep your head low and dont disagree with anyone. It wont get you anywhere.

This is what I do anyways. (i feel some vets do the same thing)
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Flames
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States105 Posts
September 24 2010 17:52 GMT
#25
It happens far too often now =/. His post wasn't relevant to the OP, other than the fact he included Idra in the post. On top of that, his post caused others to comment about it and derailed the thread.
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
September 24 2010 17:52 GMT
#26
the example in the OP is not finest example but I seem to remember posts which in my opinion weren't worth a temp ban

unfortunately I can't tell where these posts were from

but in most cases the mods do a nice job
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strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
September 24 2010 17:53 GMT
#27
some of the warnings can be a little confusing without context, which might or might not be fully explained in that particular thread. Most of them are self-explanatory though. I think something like:

User was warned for this post.
Reason: some set, pre-made automated response like "trolling" or "internet meme"

that's probably too much work though. The vast majority of warnings are pretty justified imo.
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Ation
Profile Joined July 2008
Finland102 Posts
September 24 2010 17:53 GMT
#28
I was warned for my "FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUNGAL GROWTH!" post and I got pissed off for a while until I completely realised how non-constructive that line was (even though I still think fungal growth demolishes marine army). I'm a very long time reader - my account was created only to be able to take part in some voting, but I just started posting at the era of SC2.

I have a really high respect for the seriously awesome work that the admins do in order to keep the forums effective and useful for all. I've been admining also at Quake 2 scene and I undestand what works and what doesn't (nothing happens if everyone is scared of "getting dirty").

Good going guys
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
September 24 2010 17:54 GMT
#29
I wouldn't have it any other way. I definitely don't mind losing my right to post stupid shit in order to have a forum not like bnet forums.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
September 24 2010 17:54 GMT
#30
On September 25 2010 02:52 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 02:42 Cpt.beefy wrote:
I agree.

some banhammers ain't justified. It depends who reads the msg me thinks...... but what can WE do?



keep your head low and dont disagree with anyone. It wont get you anywhere.

This is what I do anyways. (i feel some vets do the same thing)


yea, at times just a counter argument was given a warning
And all is illuminated.
Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
September 24 2010 17:54 GMT
#31
imo that ban was justified, although a warning might have been enough
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 24 2010 17:55 GMT
#32
It isn't really about the poster's rights. It's more about what readers have to read. There isn't any way for anyone to benefit from reading the post you quoted. It's completely trash and I don't know why you'd want the thousands of people looking at that thread to read that comment.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
September 24 2010 17:55 GMT
#33
What is most frustrating is users stating "I hope I don't get banned for this" when they are simply posting feedback or criticism of our website. We aren't the Ministry of Truth and this isn't 1984. If you're reasonable and polite, nobody is going to ban you even if you completely disagree with how we do things. We've always prided ourselves on TL's ability to be open about criticism, admit when we're wrong, and correct mistaken bans.

What you're describing in the OP isn't a free speech issue. If we banned you for posting this thread, then yes that's a problem. But the guy you quoted is a really bad example because he's ignoring the thread to post his own opinion on Idra. His post just leads to people responding to him and an argument about "QQing" rather than discussing the actual topic. Thus, we feel a temp ban was the right action to take.
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Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 17:57:41
September 24 2010 17:55 GMT
#34
the speed at which tl moderates is amazing too I mean I saw that post and 2 mins later he was warned and temp banned

edit- also you should have been around when chill was moderating. now that was strict
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
September 24 2010 17:55 GMT
#35
That guy puts ... into every post...
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
September 24 2010 17:57 GMT
#36
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:
Show nested quote +

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.





he responded in a bad tone that leads me to believe he was a troll.

saying stuff like "zerg qq idrabadlol" isn't the same as saying "in my opinion the reason why zergs aren't doing as well isn't because of their UPness, it is because (insert reason here) " and back it up with logic.

you aren't going to a debate saying stuff like "lol u suck"
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
September 24 2010 17:58 GMT
#37
On September 25 2010 02:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
What is most frustrating is users stating "I hope I don't get banned for this" when they are simply posting feedback or criticism of our website. We aren't the Ministry of Truth and this isn't 1984. If you're reasonable and polite, nobody is going to ban you even if you completely disagree with how we do things. We've always prided ourselves on TL's ability to be open about criticism, admit when we're wrong, and correct mistaken bans.

What you're describing in the OP isn't a free speech issue. If we banned you for posting this thread, then yes that's a problem. But the guy you quoted is a really bad example because he's ignoring the thread to post his own opinion on Idra. His post just leads to people responding to him and an argument about "QQing" rather than discussing the actual topic. Thus, we feel a temp ban was the right action to take.


Thanks for the explanation and clarification.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 24 2010 17:58 GMT
#38
On September 25 2010 02:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
What is most frustrating is users stating "I hope I don't get banned for this" when they are simply posting feedback or criticism of our website. We aren't the Ministry of Truth and this isn't 1984. If you're reasonable and polite, nobody is going to ban you even if you completely disagree with how we do things. We've always prided ourselves on TL's ability to be open about criticism, admit when we're wrong, and correct mistaken bans.



Well I would hardly call TL moderation strict. Sites like Elitestjerks are strict and well it works really well there. I find people are just too used to forums being overly lax in moderation so they perceive any form of moderation as being "strict". People shouldn't be able to post whatever they please.
BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
September 24 2010 17:59 GMT
#39
That post was the first response to a thread which pretty much destroyed any chance the thread had at being decent.

Instead it turned into a ridiculous waste of time. I got tired of reading it 3/4ths through the first page.

TL wants to stop that shit from happening. So they make examples out of the morons. TL should do this more often, not less often.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
September 24 2010 18:00 GMT
#40
On September 25 2010 02:55 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It isn't really about the poster's rights. It's more about what readers have to read. There isn't any way for anyone to benefit from reading the post you quoted. It's completely trash and I don't know why you'd want the thousands of people looking at that thread to read that comment.


ditto

keep up the good work mods!
savior did nothing wrong
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