EPTTL a little too strict on speech? - Page 24
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micronesia
United States24803 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On September 26 2010 05:59 micronesia wrote: Can you substantiate these claims by providing some evidence? Usually more goes into bans/warnings than is publicly viewable... like history, messages etc... this has all already been discussed in this thread. I'm starting to get sick of threads like these... not because nobody should be allowed to talk about this stuff, but rather because I'm finding post after post of people complaining how they or their friends were mistreated and when you actually investigate 9/10 times they weren't. I just mentioned my feelings about the issue because this is a public post. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad so I did not think it's necessary to post evidence publicly - only shared personal feelings on the topic at hand. I was very upset when it happened, and I would have loved to have it looked in to at the time - but as I was banned I was obviously not able to contact any mods to investigate. I havent had any prior issues in my history, I dont even think I've ever send a PM or any sort of message. Did not even get a warning on that day (or in any other older topic's that I am aware of - but I havent went thru all of them. I've never recieved any PM's mentioning I've been warned though, if any are even sent). It's kind of over and done with now as I'm not banned anymore, but If anyone with any sort of authority would still like to look in to it at this point, I would be happy to send a PM. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On September 27 2010 09:49 Spyridon wrote: It's kind of over and done with now as I'm not banned anymore, but If anyone with any sort of authority would still like to look in to it at this point, I would be happy to send a PM. I'd suggest PMing the mod in question (Plexa, in your case). You'll find we're actually not bad guys, even if we're the one that banned you. I'm always ready to justify my actions to anyone... remember, the end result that we want to achieve through the warning/banning process is to reform the way someone posts. Not to just needlessly punish someone for no reason. Edit - LOL typo  | ||
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micronesia
United States24803 Posts
edit due to ninja by ETT: Yea BAN PLEXA! | ||
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Vz0
Canada378 Posts
"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..." User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. Is he exaggerating. Yes. Is that on topic. No. This is TL's forum, you have no say as to what "should" be ban worthy or not. TL does not have to be consistent with their ban/warns. When we sign up for an account @ TL we are completely aware of this. There really is no such thing as "mod abuse" or "ban abuse" because to say "abuse" would imply that the action is "taking advantage of the power immorally or not following the rules" except TL mod/admins have no rules to stick to. They make the rules. | ||
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
They keep me in line so I'm guessing it must work on other people too. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
The quote in the OP doesn't add anything even though it's a "disagreement", it's just trolling. It isn't bannable for disagreement, it's bannable for being unconstructive and a waste of space on this forum - doubly so because it triggered about 7 replies that were ALSO off-topic as people jumped to tell the troll to shut up. | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:41 TryThis wrote: personally, i think the fact that TL is strict is why i love it so much as a forum. the post your talking about, really didnt benefit the thread whatsoever, in fact it was right on the way to ruining a good thread. as a result he got his bans. ^+1 | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
i.e. One mod can read through a thread and hand out 2 warns, another mod can read through the exact same thread and hand out 5 temp bans. Fortunately the majority of the mods are much easier going then some of the trigger happy ones. Also it is disappointing to see some of the ban comments from some mods as being pretty BM themselves. While some mods write out clear mannered reasons to why you have been banned and even suggest improvements, others are pretty immature by themselves. Example of a good ban comment: + Show Spoiler + ShLiM was just temp banned for 2 days by Tadzio. That account was created on 2010-08-23 14:29:21 and had 18 posts. Reason: Put more effort into your posts. Contentless posting is not welcome on TL, especially when you craft your non-messages with txting shortcuts. TL.net forums are not your personal Instant Messenger. Please do better. Example of bad ban comments: + Show Spoiler + leverage was just temp banned for 2 days by Kennigit. That account was created on 2010-09-18 21:20:03 and had 1 posts. Reason: First post. Shit thread + Show Spoiler + GenoZStriker was just temp banned for 2 days by Kennigit. That account was created on 2010-02-15 03:26:45 and had 591 posts. Reason: Be constructive or gtfo Bit of hypocrisy there... | ||
mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
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scrdmnttr
United States96 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:45 zerglingsfolife wrote: Are you kidding? That is the perfect example of a completely shitty post derailing the thread. He didn't even read the interview, made an assumption and like 5 posts on the first page were telling him he is an idiot instead of responding to the opening post. If you want to troll, you can go to pretty much any other forum on the internet, just stay the fuck out of teamliquid. Free speech is cool as long as you follow the 10 commandments and in general, just be respectful. Pretty much. I think that the mods do an excellent job. They reward thoughtful posts by punishing the people that obviously took no effort in their responses. There is a plenty of leniency when it comes to free speech; just make sure that you're saying something intelligent and thought-out. As far as I can tell, only the lazy or jerk-posters get banned or warned. | ||
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DarkspearTribe
568 Posts
"Why wasn't he permanently banned?" | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
those people exist on tl and the site would suck a lot worse if they were worried about free speech. they're not infallible but its far better than the alternative. | ||
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 27 2010 09:49 Spyridon wrote: I just mentioned my feelings about the issue because this is a public post. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad so I did not think it's necessary to post evidence publicly - only shared personal feelings on the topic at hand. I was very upset when it happened, and I would have loved to have it looked in to at the time - but as I was banned I was obviously not able to contact any mods to investigate. I havent had any prior issues in my history, I dont even think I've ever send a PM or any sort of message. Did not even get a warning on that day (or in any other older topic's that I am aware of - but I havent went thru all of them. I've never recieved any PM's mentioning I've been warned though, if any are even sent). It's kind of over and done with now as I'm not banned anymore, but If anyone with any sort of authority would still like to look in to it at this point, I would be happy to send a PM. I completely stand by that ban, and if you want to take it up with me I'm more than happy to discuss it with you  . | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On September 27 2010 12:40 fearus wrote: + Show Spoiler + Example of bad ban comments: + Show Spoiler + leverage was just temp banned for 2 days by Kennigit. That account was created on 2010-09-18 21:20:03 and had 1 posts. Reason: First post. Shit thread + Show Spoiler + GenoZStriker was just temp banned for 2 days by Kennigit. That account was created on 2010-02-15 03:26:45 and had 591 posts. Reason: Be constructive or gtfo Bit of hypocrisy there... The context of the first ban seems pretty legitimate...its also only two days, much more like a slap on the wrist than an enormous usurping of power. (thread:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155931) As an aside: Linking to the post in question in the automatic ban thread could be helpful though, since context is quite important in understanding why someone was banned (and past posting histories), since the specific post is hard to find sometimes. (can't find the post in question for genozstriker's ban, so I am unable to sufficiently comment on the subject) | ||
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geetarzero
United States217 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On September 27 2010 13:04 IdrA wrote: free speech is a stupid idea that only exists because we dont have a reasonable way to decide who gets to say what ideas are acceptable and what arent those people exist on tl and the site would suck a lot worse if they were worried about free speech. they're not infallible but its far better than the alternative. i really hope you mean the first thing only for tl ( a place where you can decide to join or not). if so i agree because on a place where your free to join or leave there is no point to allow total free speach. if someone comes into my house i would not allow him to say whatever he wants (like he blaming me or other of my guests) if not i think you ... ( use the free mind to complete it... ^^) | ||
LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
On September 27 2010 13:36 Ichabod wrote: The context of the first ban seems pretty legitimate...its also only two days, much more like a slap on the wrist than an enormous usurping of power. (thread:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155931) As an aside: Linking to the post in question in the automatic ban thread could be helpful though, since context is quite important in understanding why someone was banned (and past posting histories), since the specific post is hard to find sometimes. (can't find the post in question for genozstriker's ban, so I am unable to sufficiently comment on the subject) many times bans are not for a single post but rather a combination of many things. | ||
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