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chimthegrim
Profile Joined June 2010
United States31 Posts
September 24 2010 17:39 GMT
#1

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.



TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
September 24 2010 17:41 GMT
#2
personally, i think the fact that TL is strict is why i love it so much as a forum.
the post your talking about, really didnt benefit the thread whatsoever, in fact it was right on the way to ruining a good thread. as a result he got his bans.
Dwell
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
September 24 2010 17:41 GMT
#3
A random guy trolling like a dick got temp banned. What's the problem?
My strategy is to fork people.
Apocalyptic
Profile Joined July 2010
United States131 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 18:10:33
September 24 2010 17:42 GMT
#4
TL does a good job. I have been to way too many forums where users run amok, and frankly I am tired of it. Maybe its because I'm in my 20s now, but I really appreciate TL's moderators. There is a reason this is the only forum I come to anymore.

If anything, they are not strict enough. One of my first posts on TL was greeted with another user telling me that I should kill myself for posting my ideas. He was never even warned for it

EDIT: And the guy you quoted was a retard, the Mod in that thread said "This is an example of how one bad post de-rails a good thread". The guy screwed up the thread, he deserved what he got.
"Some people are like a slinky, not really good for anything but they still manage to bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs"
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
September 24 2010 17:42 GMT
#5
I agree.

some banhammers ain't justified. It depends who reads the msg me thinks...... but what can WE do?


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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 24 2010 17:43 GMT
#6
To be honest I like TL the way it is...
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 24 2010 17:44 GMT
#7
TL's moderating is the finest on the internet.
it's my first day
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 24 2010 17:45 GMT
#8
The amount of idiots at the present time warrants it. That guy's comment was stupid and not constructive in any way. If anything I think the mods need to amp up the ban hammering
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Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
September 24 2010 17:45 GMT
#9
TL used to be the finest community on the internet that i've ever seen and it has been in steady decline of post quality in the SC2 forums ever since the beta started, so i think it's fair that they're taking matters into their own hands on their website.
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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
September 24 2010 17:45 GMT
#10
Are you kidding? That is the perfect example of a completely shitty post derailing the thread. He didn't even read the interview, made an assumption and like 5 posts on the first page were telling him he is an idiot instead of responding to the opening post.

If you want to troll, you can go to pretty much any other forum on the internet, just stay the fuck out of teamliquid. Free speech is cool as long as you follow the 10 commandments and in general, just be respectful.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 17:46:46
September 24 2010 17:45 GMT
#11
In time you'll come to love the strict moderation on TL. Trust me, this place is awesome for a reason.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 24 2010 17:45 GMT
#12
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:
Show nested quote +

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy?







Fairly certain that guy got warned/banned because of the he gonna qq like EVERY other zerg player,rather then idra isnt god.

Moreover,it does not add any indepth or constructive criticism to the thread other then well,no nothing really.
WriterXiao8~~
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
September 24 2010 17:47 GMT
#13
I'd like a bit more even - specially imbalance-cries in threads that are not about balance.
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
September 24 2010 17:48 GMT
#14
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:
Show nested quote +

"Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff..."

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.





It is temp-ban worthy imo, the thread was IdrA's opinion on the patch notes. This guy who is stating that "IdrA isnt god" etc wasn't talking about patch notes, or IdrA's opinion on them, just his opinion on IdrA
Fame was like a drug. But what was even more like a drug were the drugs.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
September 24 2010 17:48 GMT
#15
That guy deserved it. Idra writes a well thought out structured post about the current state of the game and someone whos been here for a week comes in and starts saying all hes doing is qq'ing about zerg being underpowered?

If your response to ANY well thought out post is something along the lines of "stop qq'ing" or "l2play" then you deserve a ban
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
September 24 2010 17:48 GMT
#16
Im sure if his post was more structured and he actually read the post where idra said that the patch didnt change much but is a step in the right direction.

Instead he made a post that will only cause flaming and derail the actual discussion, fully justified ban imo
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 24 2010 17:49 GMT
#17
i LOVE TL's moderation. The philosophy "Add something useful to the conversation, or bugger off." and "Direct attacks = warn/ban" makes the discussion so much more interesting.
Yargh
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
September 24 2010 17:50 GMT
#18
Note: I did not issue the ban cited and didn't have anything to do with it. This is just my take on moderation that isn't representative for all Mods.

Let's talk about your example, you say:
The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.


Now, firstly he posted in a thread that was about Idra being interviewed about the patch. So there is nothing to 'disagree' about. It's not remotely related to the topic of the thread. Secondly, he used a sweeping generalization, "every other zerg player". We don't like those racial stereotypes. We ban people for dissing Terran for being OP, we ban people for dissing Zerg about complaining. Thirdly, he uses bad spelling, interpunctuation, and stereotypical low-effort internet lingo. That, too, is despicable.

So in short, what we don't like is derailing a thread by posting stuff that doesn't belong there, and we give even worse marks for putting now effort into the posting. The opinion isn't important. If you disagree with anything that Idra said content-wise, you are welcome to express it, if you feel like his opinion is generally being heeded too much, you might find a way to formulate it. But not like this.
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Mephit
Profile Joined April 2010
United States34 Posts
September 24 2010 17:50 GMT
#19
I've lurked/posted in a lot of forums, and TL has the best moderators by far. They would rather have quality posting instead quantitative garbage. Even with an influx of new players they've handled it.

Thanks Mods.
Hirnfrost
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany938 Posts
September 24 2010 17:50 GMT
#20
TL mods the way they want cause its THEIR forum, not yours.
If you don´t agree create your own website and mod the way u want.

I think the way they do it is absolutly fine and justified.
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