TL a little too strict on speech? - Page 5

On September 25 2010 03:24 Latham wrote:
Are they too strict? Nah, I'm willing to go as far as them being too lenient.
Stupidity should be punishable. At least, here it is. If I'd want 4-chan or B.net forums level of discussions I'd go there. I expect more from people here.
If I'd want to be rick rolled in every other thread in the OP, I would go to another place.
If I'd want bronze level players talking balance and disregarding diamond players and progamers, I'd go to the b.net forums.
Don't tell me I don't know what jokes are. I do. The only jokes I hate are the same ones that get reposted over and over again, like that stupid Idra's impression on patch video. I spend enough time on the internet to get sick of it in every SC2/BW thread I see in a lot of forums. It was funny the 1st 3 times. Now it's just annoying.

If you want to let this forum degenerate into a garbage bin of the internet, then that is your choice.

On September 25 2010 02:50 Mephit wrote:
I've lurked/posted in a lot of forums, and TL has the best moderators by far. They would rather have quality posting instead quantitative garbage. Even with an influx of new players they've handled it.

Thanks Mods.

On September 25 2010 03:21 jimminy_kriket wrote:
And I'll try and let some of the newer folks into the heads of some of the moderators. Before SC2 came out this website was an very close community. There were the base group of users who all knew each other , then there were the new users who over time would either leave the site or become part of the base group. Everyone had their own personality and you could generally know what to expect going into threads created by particular users. Everyone could basically shoot the shit, read some news if they wanted, read some strat section, etc. and almost never miss any thread they deemed interesting.

Since SC2 that feeling of "personality" each user has has diminished alot. It's hard (impossible) to get to know all the new users, and you no longer know what to expect going into the vast majority of threads. Before you could tell by looking at the poster. Incontrol would be arguing with people / trolling / posting some wise starcraft strategy. CharlieMurphy would be trolling even harder. Rekrul would be posting some crazy ass story / touching on some taboo subject. You get the point.

Now its near impossible to distinguish between the good threads and the bad threads without going into them. I think alot of bans are resulting from this. Mods like to read interesting articles and stories just as much as we do, but when they feel they are wasting their time due to the large influx of bad / un-interesting threads their patience wears. Most mods probably want TL back to the old way, and banning lower than good quality users is potentially one way to do this. I feel its a lost cause at this point in time, while starcraft 2 is at the peak of its popularity, but it still needs to be done to keep some semblance of quality posting visible.

On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote:

This thread as an example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453


The first response was a guy that said this:



So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?"

The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL.

Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post.

On September 25 2010 02:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
What is most frustrating is users stating "I hope I don't get banned for this" when they are simply posting feedback or criticism of our website. We aren't the Ministry of Truth and this isn't 1984. If you're reasonable and polite, nobody is going to ban you even if you completely disagree with how we do things. We've always prided ourselves on TL's ability to be open about criticism, admit when we're wrong, and correct mistaken bans.

What you're describing in the OP isn't a free speech issue. If we banned you for posting this thread, then yes that's a problem. But the guy you quoted is a really bad example because he's ignoring the thread to post his own opinion on Idra. His post just leads to people responding to him and an argument about "QQing" rather than discussing the actual topic. Thus, we feel a temp ban was the right action to take.

On September 25 2010 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
The alternative to strict moderating is gosugamers.

You be the judge.

The best forum I went to was regulated like a nazi death camp. Topics could only be started by mods; all other topics were created and then mods would move them to a public forum if they felt they were worth discussion. If you didn't contribute in the thread by adding something either: insightful, relevant, or funny your post would be deleted. If it were really bad you'd be banned.

If you went off topic, your post would be deleted and you might be banned. If you typed like an idiot and couldn't form a coherent sentence you'd be banned. If you posted simple 1 or 2 sentence replies like, "I agree." or "lol", your post would be deleted and banned. If you argued with the mods (about something stupid or a post being deleted) you'd be banned. If people found you out to be lying or taking advantage, you'd be banned.