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Height
United States53 Posts
For meaningless, unmoderated jargon I would go to 4chan's /b/ board, not here. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:59 Pandonetho wrote: Might I ask what forum this is? It sounds like one that probably doesn't seem like it would have a particularly high member count... or you're blowing things way out of proportion. Do you know how many people on this forum have made 1 -2 liner sentences before like "Wow, amazing article, will read when I get off work!"? Are those contributory? I don't think so. If this forum were moderated like the forum you mentioned, I'm pretty sure everyone by now would be banned or warned. If I search up some of the most veteran of users here, and sift through their post history, what are the chances that I'll find a good amount of 1-2 liner replies? Are these the guys that would instantly get banned on the forum that you say is the best forum you've been to, where moderators mod people like Nazis? I don't have anything against 1-2 liner replies that are posted in agreement or enthusiasm for a topic as long as its not constant spam. To ban someone just for saying a couple lines is way overboard, if it isn't a derogatory post. As I specifically stated, I don't expect TL to be ran as that site did. The user base was smaller (but still a solid #) and the topics of discussion were much different, whereas here there is actually very little in terms of "discussion" in most threads. And the ones that are, tend to be very weak in most aspects. Also, the "wow amazing article" and the like is generally from user produced content that exist on this site. On a site such as this, I encourage those types of responses. I want people to let the staff know they wrote a good article or enjoyed one of Artosis' videos. But at the same time, people going into a balance thread discussion and posting something along the lines of, "I think TvZ is imbalanced." is 100% useless because unless they're a known figure, they're literally contributing nothing of use to the thread. 90% of improving posting can come from 1 simple thing... If posters simply thought this one thing before posting: "If some random person posted what I just did (or am about to), would I find it funny or interesting, or would I skip over it?" I would find it unlikely that most people earnestly would hit reply if they did. edit: The forum in question was Tucker Max's forum, which has been shut down for like a year at this point. | ||
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Grumbaki
Belgium141 Posts
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wadadde
270 Posts
I find the red marker modding arbitrary and downright offensive at times. I do realize that the mods are volunteers and that creating and maintaining a vibrant community requires some interference, but yeah... I hate that mods can target me whenever I say something they don't like. After all, my English isn't perfect. This isn't even a hypothetical. Most bans/warnings are justified though. Community 'moderating' ftw. Please be less zealous, TL mods. | ||
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Kolvacs
Canada1203 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:43 DivinO wrote: To be honest I like TL the way it is... | ||
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Phearlock
Norway400 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
And ps: that was a bad example of 'an uncalled for strict ban' or w/e. Some troll coming in belittling an iconic player who represents tl and who is highlighted by tl as someone to watch. Why would you want to upset that balance? | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:46 Half wrote: There are two kinds of mentalities behind forum communities. One is self indulgence, and the other is about building communities. TL.net is the latter. You shouldn't just ask yourself "Am I flaming". You should ask yourself "Am I contributing" It seems like the idea of Contributing is unknown to the new players who are joining this site. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but express it in a meaningful way instead of spewing trash pundits that derail threads and cause trolling. this is a very important distinction now that the site is grown so much in such a short time. just because you aren't outright flaming doesn't mean you aren't going to get banned for posting uselessly. it's hard enough to read through 20 pages of sc2 without having to filter out pointless posts. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
And, to hearken back to another thread, I do think it makes people better posters. Some fold and get permabanned, and some actually increase their posting quality. Lastly, I've seen far more questionable bans than this one! To start off a thread with a personal attack, and a general attack, seems to be exactly what mods are looking for. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:05 wadadde wrote: How about just disabling the quote function on comments that are supposed to be borderline "troll" comments? Or how about moderating using words in instead of generic warnings? I find the red marker modding arbitrary and downright offensive at times. I do realize that the mods are volunteers and that creating and maintaining a vibrant community requires some interference, but yeah... I hate that mods can target me whenever I say something they don't like. After all, my English isn't perfect. This isn't even a hypothetical. Most bans/warnings are justified though. Community 'moderating' ftw. Please be less zealous, TL mods. You do realize that this forum is built from the ground up, and that the programmers, who aren't paid, would have to program that function into the forum, right? That's a huge pain in the ass, I'm sure. But, public humiliation is one of the best ways to get people to act differently. Further, it was requested long ago that people be notified which post a person was banned for. This type of moderating serves a dual purpose. It shames the person, and it lets others know exactly how NOT to post in a topic. If someone was warned/banned for something, and you're thinking about posting something similar, it's best to just click the back button and not post what you were going to say... or make your post more constructive. Either way, it's a very effective tool. It's not targeting for saying something they didn't "like," it's using specific posts as a reference to make other posters/posts better. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:11 Khol wrote: I once started a post with "Fuck you" and I didn't get warned. I think they don't mind if it is just. It's not like cursing is disallowed | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
In fact, one of the things which drew me in to tl.net was the ability to say anything here and not get into any trouble; for no one listens to or generally cares about what a random newcomer might say. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
TL is one of the few places left where idiots are banned. TL Probably has one of the most constructive communitys on the internet. | ||
Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
It's similar to you reading an article about a police report and then getting indignant. Not only were you not at the scene of the crime, you haven't talk to the officers, victims, witnesses, or even read the police report yourself. You have read someone's reaction to the police report. So we have MegaBUD. The first clue that he's going to likely be a poor poster is the user name. Referencing weed in all caps. No big deal but definitely something to note. Next thing to do, check his registration date: Joined 9-8-2010 03:04:38 About two and a half weeks ago. So I would say he's stick on a probationary period where I expect him to stay cool and figure out how TL works. Now, let's take a look at some examples of the typical posting history of this user: On September 24 2010 04:13 MegaBUD wrote: Let them do it... if it need balancing... blizz will fix it in a month or 2. On September 19 2010 04:11 MegaBUD wrote: The funny thing is... Terran wont be nerfed that bad... and at the end... it wont make any difference at plat/diamond level. Dont worry mister Toss... Grrr is back and he gonna make new cheese for you. And for mister Zerg... Too bad, the korean are extremely good macro player, so Blizz cant buff them. On September 18 2010 12:25 MegaBUD wrote: They can host custom map with fixed stats... take the old map... fix the units stats and gg... On September 18 2010 12:21 MegaBUD wrote: So much hate... cant belive you guys qq that much about terrans... this isnt WoW... They had a full 4 months for the beta and they kept it that way. On September 16 2010 04:53 MegaBUD wrote: TK a noob in his placement match... These aren't hand-picked. They are chosen at random. He adds nothing to this forum and you can easily see his posts are not well thought-out. Finally, now that we know who this post is, let's address the post at hand: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6409371 On September 24 2010 10:28 MegaBUD wrote: Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff... It doesn't address the issue at all, it is unfounded, it derails the thread, and it's bait for argument. So yes, a textbook ban was warranted here. This is how moderators work. So yes, sometimes you will be able to see the full story and catch us making mistakes which we will try to fix immediately. But sometimes, you don't know the whole story. The point is that if you want a place you can just chat freely without worrying about if you're contributing, this isn't it. Find an IRC channel or open your own blogspot. We expect that a reasonable percentage of your posts are going to be providing content, driving discussion or creating interest. If you're just slamming out garbage constantly, you're not going to stay here. | ||
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:18 Chill wrote: You can't backseat moderate TL. Here's why: It's similar to you reading an article about a police report and then getting indignant. Not only were you not at the scene of the crime, you haven't talk to the officers, victims, witnesses, or even read the police report yourself. You have read someone's reaction to the police report. That analogy would work assuming we couldn't see what they said when they're banned, but we can. So it's more like watching Rodney King than looking at a police report. | ||
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SpicyCrab
402 Posts
They also warned me for posting funny (also stupid) threads that people seemed to really enjoy. Even TLO commented on one and said he thought it was funny. Still, I understand why. They need to keep things clean and sometimes maybe overstep a bit. It's better to be overzealous than "underzealous?" This is one of the best forums on the net and it's obvious why. Also, keep in mind that longtime users, well known users and pros can often break the rules without punishment. That's a fair double standard, I think. Edit: Also, with the influx of TONS of new posters there is SO much clutter that they really have to cut down. Even after being the 'victim' of some of this stuff I can honestly say I think they should be MORE zealous. The SC2 strategy forums are a joke and they should be chain-banning about 50% of the posters there imo. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:20 Achilles wrote: That analogy would work assuming we couldn't see what they said when they're banned, but we can. So it's more like watching Rodney King than looking at a police report. You can't see the previous accounts, post histories, PMs sent, PM discussion, mod notes, warnings, previous bans. I think I am getting my point across without worrying about the analogy lining up perfectly... | ||
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