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intrudor
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada446 Posts
September 24 2010 19:22 GMT
#121
i dont think TL is that strict....i mean....they only ban about 30 users per day



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Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:27:14
September 24 2010 19:24 GMT
#122
On September 25 2010 04:21 Chill wrote:
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On September 25 2010 04:20 Achilles wrote:
That analogy would work assuming we couldn't see what they said when they're banned, but we can. So it's more like watching Rodney King than looking at a police report.

You can't see the previous accounts, post histories, PMs sent, PM discussion, mod notes, warnings, previous bans. I think I am getting my point across without worrying about the analogy lining up perfectly...


So somebody who posts 100 marginally dumb posts should be punished equally as much as somebody who posts 5 really dumb posts.

It will be interesting to see the algorithm you lot use to calculate the seemingly additive stupidity rating of users since you take into account all previous posts and PMs.

Just my 2 cents that I think the ban should take into account the offending post only, but I'm more outspoken than most would fancy I suppose.
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:24:19
September 24 2010 19:24 GMT
#123
On September 25 2010 04:21 SpicyCrab wrote:
They banned me for posting something stupid. I don't think that's too strict.

They also warned me for posting funny threads that people seemed to really enjoy. Even TLO commented on one and said he thought it was really funny. Sometimes a mod is in a sour mood.

Also, keep in mind that longtime users, well known users and pros can often break the rules without punishment. That's a fair double standard, I think.

You posted a thread with a picture to make a joke. Three times. It's pretty common knowledge that isn't allowed here.
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LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
September 24 2010 19:24 GMT
#124
..dont type like an idiot and you wont be banned... TL is not a free country!
since 98'
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 24 2010 19:25 GMT
#125
LOL

fuckkkkkkkkk the things people bitch about... astounding. 3 TIMES? and you have the audacity to complain here? wtf
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:26:21
September 24 2010 19:25 GMT
#126
On September 25 2010 04:24 Achilles wrote:
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On September 25 2010 04:21 Chill wrote:
On September 25 2010 04:20 Achilles wrote:
That analogy would work assuming we couldn't see what they said when they're banned, but we can. So it's more like watching Rodney King than looking at a police report.

You can't see the previous accounts, post histories, PMs sent, PM discussion, mod notes, warnings, previous bans. I think I am getting my point across without worrying about the analogy lining up perfectly...


So somebody who posts 100 marginally dumb posts should be punished equally as much as somebody who posts 5 really dumb posts.

It will be interesting to see the algorithm you lot use to calculate the seemingly additive stupidity rating of users since you take into account all previous posts and PMs.

It's subjective; There is no algorithm. It's clear you think you were slighted against for your past ban. Let's move forward or take this to PMs.
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UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
September 24 2010 19:28 GMT
#127
I think that happened because he could have easily expressed his opinion in a more mature manner.
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:32:59
September 24 2010 19:28 GMT
#128
On September 25 2010 04:21 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 04:20 Achilles wrote:
That analogy would work assuming we couldn't see what they said when they're banned, but we can. So it's more like watching Rodney King than looking at a police report.

You can't see the previous accounts, post histories, PMs sent, PM discussion, mod notes, warnings, previous bans. I think I am getting my point across without worrying about the analogy lining up perfectly...


We can see previous posts though, enough to see how people were recently. Profile ->Post number links to their post history. It was REALLY easy to see why that guy was banned.

And that should be enough, especially for hight count people. Certainly, someone that's been here as long as me, say... you aren't going to go into the early hundreds of my posts to see if I was a shitty poster then and now (I am, but that's not the point : D). If people would take a few seconds to do that on a ban they think was questionable, it would clear up a lot of their concerns, I think.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
dsxrflol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
42 Posts
September 24 2010 19:28 GMT
#129
thats the reason why i like tl so much

you can talk with mature people and dont have to mess around with some guys who act like 10 year olds or some of those roxxor kiddies lol

XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:33:24
September 24 2010 19:29 GMT
#130
I had an issue with what I felt was biased towards "positive posting". IE. you can post whatever trash you like as long as it includes a smiley face, an exclamation mark or a positive sentiment, yet negativity is instantly reacted to badly irrespective of whats said.

I was starting to feel like TL was transitioning into a childrens TV show.

:D ! ! !

edit, thinking back I even remember someone being banned for something along the lines of "an attitude that is not conducive to the aims of TL"
Adonai bless
SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:32:03
September 24 2010 19:30 GMT
#131
Chill, I think you have me mixed up. Unless I have gone crazy; I never posted a picture in any of my threads, let alone three times.

Also, go back and reread my post as I have ninjad ( wasn't trying to ninja I just realized it said something a bit different than Intended.) it immediately after posting to be more clear. I am not bitter at all. I think you guys are doing a good job.
I'm such a baller in my dreams. - HiFriend
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11524 Posts
September 24 2010 19:30 GMT
#132
Regarding the complaint in the OP- are you seriously complaining about that thread? The thread linked to a perfectly good interview with Idra. And in response, the first comment, the FIRST comment on the thread is already looking to derail it. And it does for the first couple pages as everyone is responding to that first comment and NOT the actual interview. Yes, TL should be banning those idiots.
ModeratorDavid Duke, Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, Daily Stormer... "Some very fine people on both sides"
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
September 24 2010 19:32 GMT
#133
On September 25 2010 04:25 Chill wrote:
Let's move forward or take this to PMs.


Fair enough annnnnd done.
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
September 24 2010 19:32 GMT
#134
On September 25 2010 04:30 SpicyCrab wrote:
Chill, I think you have me mixed up. Unless I have gone crazy; I never posted a picture in any of my threads, let alone three times.

Also, go back and reread my post as I have ninjad ( wasn't trying to ninja I just realized it said something a bit different than Intended.) it immediately after posting to be more clear. I am not bitter at all. I think you guys are doing a good job.

Yea my mistake they were just joke threads. Like this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151386
-_-
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kataa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom384 Posts
September 24 2010 19:34 GMT
#135
I couldn't disagree with the OP more. I'm quite new to TL, but I've found it VERY liberal compared to some other competitive gaming forms. The guy who made that comment added nothing to the thread and was simply trying to start shit. It was perfectly legit for that guy to link us to an interesting article of a top player, you can't allow a form to turn into nothing but a bitch fest.

Any website as big as TL has to be strict in order to keep it's reputation as a decent site, I spend soo much time trying to sort through all the flame wars and bad posts just find the decent ones by people who I've come to realize actually understand both the game and the community well. Imagine how hard it would be if TL didn't ban people?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#136
Dont the 10 commandments say this is Their house not ours?

They can do whatever the hell they want bro. The strict modding makes sure dumbasses dont troll the forum into garbage(like gg.net) and personally i likei t quite a bit
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:39:03
September 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#137
Yes, that lurker joke one was the worst though. And as I said, I think the ban there was totally warranted which is why I never complained and why I am coming out in support of you guys right now.

Once again, I am not complaining at all (to Incontrol), I think you guys are doing a good job. Besides, it's your forum you can do what you want.

In my defense though, I only posted that thread (the lurker joke) because the "SCV supplies" joke became a featured thread so I thought I could get away with it.
I'm such a baller in my dreams. - HiFriend
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
September 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#138
i love the strict ban-policy on TL.net. I can`t think of any other forum on the internet that has so little spam and offtopic posts as teamliquid and I want this to stay. So if you don`t have time or the will to make a post that contributes to the topic - let it be. if not - get a warning or ban.
keep it deep! @zulison
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 19:38:15
September 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#139
On September 25 2010 04:21 SpicyCrab wrote:
They banned me for posting something stupid. I don't think that's too strict.

They also warned me for posting funny (also stupid) threads that people seemed to really enjoy. Even TLO commented on one and said he thought it was funny. Still, I understand why. They need to keep things clean and sometimes maybe overstep a bit.

It's better to be overzealous than "underzealous?" This is one of the best forums on the net and it's obvious why.

Also, keep in mind that longtime users, well known users and pros can often break the rules without punishment. That's a fair double standard, I think.

Edit: Also, with the influx of TONS of new posters there is SO much clutter that they really have to cut down. Even after being the 'victim' of some of this stuff I can honestly say I think they should be MORE zealous. The SC2 strategy forums are a joke and they should be chain-banning about 50% of the posters there imo.


That's a dirty lie.

The mods keep tabs on everybody... old dogs or new pups.

I've seen a lot of old posters get bans for the same stuff new users can be banned for. It just doesn't happen as frequently is all...

If you were to think of the users based upon... icons for example on this forum... you will notice that the quantity of users overall of people with Battlecruisers as their icon is dwarfed substantially by the amount of scv's on this forum. I have this vision that the active TL userbase looks like a pyramid where there really aren't "that many" people with over 8000, 6000, 4000 posts. Most of them are the older posters and have been around the block (with a few trips to ban-town I'd bet).
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
September 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#140
On September 25 2010 02:41 Severedevil wrote:
A random guy trolling like a dick got temp banned. What's the problem?


I agree.
He was either a troll or a fool. Doesn't matter which one because both don't belong in TL anyway.
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