EPTTL a little too strict on speech? - Page 9
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:55 BroOd wrote: People don't visit TL because they feel like doing the staff a favor. They visit because they get something out of the experience. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. And as such the idea that users somehow owe something to TL is a faulty idea, as was my point. | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:00 cz wrote: And as such the idea that users somehow owe something to TL is a faulty idea, as was my point. I think that TL would be a much better place if everyone who complained about moderation left. It wouldnt hurt to send away everyone who feels that the post in question was a quality post, for good measure. (you read the previous sentence twice.) nobody likes to sift through these kinds of comments 24/7. I owe the Teamliquid staff quite a bit for sheltering such a wonderful community from the assholes of the internet | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:00 cz wrote: And as such the idea that users somehow owe something to TL is a faulty idea, as was my point. I understand, I was just pointing out that your saying, "you are doing the owner a favor" is not the case either. Also, it's not unnatural for someone to feel like they owe TL something if they feel like they've gained a lot here, but that's a personal sentiment and people shouldn't tell others that they, too, "owe TL". | ||
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SpicyCrab
402 Posts
I wasn't saying that they owed anybody any thing. I just don't think there's any reason to complain about overzealous moderation on a forum where overzealous moderation is one of the key positive points. :/ | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
Seriously, the best thing about this site is that it actually lets people post actual responses, people don't just constantly flame each other. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:04 gods_basement wrote: I think that TL would be a much better place if everyone who complained about moderation left. It wouldnt hurt to send away everyone who feels that the post in question was a quality post, for good measure. (you read the previous sentence twice.) nobody likes to sift through these kinds of comments 24/7. I owe the Teamliquid staff quite a bit for sheltering such a wonderful community from the assholes of the internet This is how I always get in trouble. Some guy goes after me, mods ignore, I respond, mods temp ban me. | ||
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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
99% of bans are justified imho. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:04 SpicyCrab wrote: Edit: Cz, I guess I wasn't entirely clear here. Just so you understand what I was saying -> I wasn't saying that they owed anybody any thing. I just don't think there's any reason to complain about overzealous moderation on a forum where overzealous moderation is one of the key positive points. :/ Unless you think overzealous moderation is a problem, of course, like the OP. | ||
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TyPsi5
United States204 Posts
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
TL Genesis 1:1 I thought it was a good ban; random douchiness gets you banned, especially if it's against our glorious zerg king idra. and it didn't contribute to the thread. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
When I look back on these forums used to be, I can't help but think they were much better 4 years ago than they are today. Part of this evaluation by me is probably due to nostalgia. Yet more is probably due to the fact that because Broodwar was so developed a game -- If someone posted infested terran drop build in the strategy forum, the person who posted it could be called a little bitch and banned -- today, if someone posts an infested terran strategy, because nobody fully understands Starcraft 2, moderators have to be more careful. Still, I think part of the reason why I dislike the forums more today than I did before is because they're worse. A huge influx of shitty, cocky, one-line posters are now teamliquid.net members. Administrators and moderators: Get to work. All your warnings should be temp bans, and all your temp bans full bans. The truth is, I'm not the greatest poster myself. Maybe I will get banned. But at least when I'm lurking, I'll be lurking on a forum where I don't want to jump through my computer screen and slap the OP. | ||
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coltrane
Chile988 Posts
To some people is hard to understand that, but you need to know the flow of the site and try to understand the mods and the flow of the site. Its alright to have your own opinions, its not alright to derail a thread about one subject into another that we all know how its gonna end. | ||
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Nazarid
United States445 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote: This thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453 The first response was a guy that said this: So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?" The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL. Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post. This is a perfect example of how one post can completely derail an entire thread. <3 TL mods | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote: This thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453 The first response was a guy that said this: So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?" The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL. Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post. Please don't go around martyring yourself, we usually ban people outright for comments like these, it's incredibly annoying. No one is going to ban anyone for constructive criticism..., which should be in the feedback forum btw. On September 25 2010 03:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: While I agree with most everything you say here, I've never seen an incorrect ban fixed (could just go on in MiR I guess). I suppose that it could have changed since when I was banned once, long ago (on some total bullshit reason, that Beyonder agreed was an unnecessary ban on IRC, but wouldn't undo my ban). But if I had one complaint about moderation here, it would be the perceived infallibility mods seem to have, and the collusion between them. Certainly it makes sense that mods would agree with each other for the most part, and certainly in front of all the regular posters (you need that sort of continuity so people don't think the moderation at the site is shit, of course), but mods here seem pretty arrogant about their status sometimes. No, we certainly don't discuss what other moderators do in the public forums, but internal forum discussions about specific bans are common. It might not happen every day, that a ban is shortened or completely undone, but it happens. No mod is perfect, but I believe with plenty of other mods looking at each other's bans/warnings it works out very well. Bey couldn't have unbanned you even if he wanted to, mods can't unban, only admins can. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote: TL a little too strict on speech? Not really, they seem pretty fair. As long as your post is relevant to the thread, then you won't be punished. The post that guy made was clearly him trying to start a flame war, and had very little to do with the thread. | ||
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:41 TryThis wrote: personally, i think the fact that TL is strict is why i love it so much as a forum. the post your talking about, really didnt benefit the thread whatsoever, in fact it was right on the way to ruining a good thread. as a result he got his bans. Indeed, TL has some of the best Mods I've seen to date. | ||
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