TL a little too strict on speech? - Page 11
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Do they pretend to be? Of course not. Sure, occasionally they make a dumb ban, but it's all part of the greater effort to keep TL a relatively idiot-free place. I have yet to get banned (fairly or unfairly), so if that ever happens, maybe I will see it differently, but for now, my stance is that the road to forum perfection is marred with the occasional whoopsie, and I'm ok with that. | ||
Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
I would be interested to hear statistics on how many accounts have been created vs. how many accounts have been banned. | ||
Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
![]() The problem, Stimy, is that you think this should be a democracy. Well, democracy barely works in the real world, and it sure as hell doesn't work on a forum with 19000 members. If you want to try it on a forum be my guest, it just wont be this one. If they werent strict the forum would become very unwelcoming. The community is something to be proud of here on TL, and it wouldnt be possible without strict moderation. However mods are still are still humans governed by emotions and personal opinions and do hasty bans. | ||
pat965
Canada274 Posts
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:00 udgnim wrote: want to add that the Ban List thread makes for some humorous reading sometimes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=382 I agree. My bookmark to get to TL is that thread :D Always worth reading, some of the bans are hilarious. I just wish there was an easier to find the post that got them ban sometimes because they don't always show them; especially went the mod goes like : "How in the world did you think that was acceptable?". Brings out the curiosity in me :D | ||
archaik
Sweden32 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
I see industry professionals behaving in a manner that would get them banned within five minutes here on the other boards, and just sort of scratch my head. "Thinking before you speak" is a great skill to have, and TL promotes that. | ||
IamTheWhiteGuy
United States93 Posts
I just ate a temp ban on GameFAQs for telling some moron what a moron he was because he did nothing but spam endless topics about how overpowered terran was. And don't get me wrong, it wasn't a one word post either. It was a well constructed post taking into account everything he said and going to some efforts to provide rationale as to why he was wrong. I wasn't kind about it, of course, but the dude deserved worse than I gave him. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11242 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:16 archaik wrote: I think they moderation is pretty arbitrary and strange. I criticized Artosis for whining about imbalance in one thread and got a warning for it, like wtf? It feels like you can't criticize certain people (Idra, Artosis, tasteless etc). That's true to some extent. See TLC § 6 (Team Liquid Commandments, Paragraph Six) | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:15 pat965 wrote: If you have nothing useful to say, and haven't thought out your post, the absolute least you can do is not be offensive, or over-presumptuous about it, especially in the Strategy forum. I mean, the post is still a waste of space, but at least it'll probably be ignored and nobody will be offended. On September 17 2010 19:49 archaik wrote: Artosis: whine whine bitch bitch. What a dork he is. Tasteless needs a new co-commentator. User was warned for this post You be the judge. | ||
cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:48 Manifesto7 wrote: I would say once or twice a week there is a ban that is either reversed or reduced in length. That isn't a lot, but it is consistently happening. Discussions take place in the mod section, and there is no "This user was unbanned" message. Perhaps it should be manually written in when their scarlet letter is erased. Usually those bans aren't malicious mod bans. Mods are humans too, and sometimes they misread the context of a post. I warned someone for a lousy post which he intended as joke. He PMed to explain it to me and I erased it. Sometimes it is hard to tell. His post and your post were made 4 minutes apart. I am not yet hooked into TL via neural network, so I still actually have to browse the site and read with my eyes. -_- Of course TL needs users but the rest of this is almost all rubbish. Users add pageviews and take bandwidth. It is a two way relationship. And guess what, mods are users of the site too. We just happen to be the ones that help keep the place clean. You cannot equate the TL entity to the mods. And yes, technically there are owners, but if TL is a business, where is my cheaque? What are these shares with monetary value you speak of? When TL starts charging people to be a member you may have a point, but not until then. There are no shares because total ownership is in one person's hands or is in the hands of two or more people with an informal agreement. The bottom line, however, is that TL can both make money and has sell value. You don't get a check because the owner isn't willing to pay. It's the same thing with any website: pageviews and active membership create value that either is monetized or can be monetized through advertisement, direct sales, or so on. As a result the viewers add value to the site through their simple viewing of it (pageviews are a large factor in advertising rates) and through adding to the community which in turn attracts more. | ||
Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:20 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote: TL is nothing. I just ate a temp ban on GameFAQs for telling some moron what a moron he was because he did nothing but spam endless topics about how overpowered terran was. And don't get me wrong, it wasn't a one word post either. It was a well constructed post taking into account everything he said and going to some efforts to provide rationale as to why he was wrong. I wasn't kind about it, of course, but the dude deserved worse than I gave him. GameFAQs is different in that it is the trolls that are the mods. There's no point posting on that board honestly. Moderators go out of their way to make troll topics but if you call them out on it you get your post deleted or just banned. Please for the love of god never compare that forum to TL again. And I agree with the person who said the moderation here helps your posting in other forums. I look at some other forums and shake my head in despair after 1 thread pretty much everytime. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote: This thread as an example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155453 The first response was a guy that said this: So now the question I am raising here is "Is TL a little too strict on what can or can't be said on the forums?" The example I provided is someone who in obvious disagreement and he has expressed that by saying "Idra isn't god." Yet, this is ban worthy? I'm wondering why it is so easy to get temp banned on TL. Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post. Welcome to Team Liquid. If you haven't read the ten commandments then you probably ought to read again. Remember one thing: this is their house rightfully so. If anything, I don't think they're strict enough. :/ | ||
iNcontroL
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USA29055 Posts
See posts like this make me question the maturity/age of some of the TL posters... how can anyone be shocked at all that they got warned for that? Someone can say "I think artosis would be a more enjoyable commentator if he didn't complain all the time. Really hard to listen to" as opposed to what you said which has 0 value and is just annoying. How is that at all a mystery? | ||
Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:24 cz wrote: There are no shares because total ownership is in one person's hands or is in the hands of two or more people with an informal agreement. The bottom line, however, is that TL can both make money and has sell value. You don't get a check because the owner isn't willing to pay. It's the same thing with any website: pageviews and active membership create value that either is monetized or can be monetized through advertisement, direct sales, or so on. As a result the viewers add value to the site through their simple viewing of it (pageviews are a large factor in advertising rates) and through adding to the community which in turn attracts more. Except that TL is mostly ad free (minus the google ones at the top). It's not exactly cheap to pay for bandwidth for a site. It has the potential to make money, but probably does not make money. And if it does, it makes very little. TL, according to the owners, is mostly about the love, though it'd be nice to make money on it... Naz or Meat posted all about this when the site's look was changed. Ha, you're like the people from that SP episode with that line of thought. "I want your internet money." On September 25 2010 06:29 Mindcrime wrote: On the whole, I think the mods do fine. If anything, they could be a little more strict. I'm looking at you, sc2 forums. Over half of the closed threads come from that forum. | ||
GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:24 cz wrote: There are no shares because total ownership is in one person's hands or is in the hands of two or more people with an informal agreement. The bottom line, however, is that TL can both make money and has sell value. You don't get a check because the owner isn't willing to pay. It's the same thing with any website: pageviews and active membership create value that either is monetized or can be monetized through advertisement, direct sales, or so on. As a result the viewers add value to the site through their simple viewing of it (pageviews are a large factor in advertising rates) and through adding to the community which in turn attracts more. This would be true if all viewers added to the community. Unfortunately many detract from it. These are the ones that are successfully turned away by strict moderation. I think more people are attracted to the site by the fact that the forums are kept clear of flaming and arguing and trolling than anything else. I know for myself that I wouldn't bother reading any pages on this site if I had to wade through the sort of posts that get people banned/warned around here. So lax moderation could very well lead to fewer viewers. | ||
cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:32 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Except that TL is mostly ad free (minus the google ones at the top). It's not exactly cheap to pay for bandwidth for a site. It has the potential to make money, but probably does not make money. And if it does, it makes very little. TL, according to the owners, is mostly about the love, though it'd be nice to make money on it... Naz or Meat posted all about this when the site's look was changed. Ha, you're like the people from that SP episode with that line of thought. "I want your internet money." If it never makes any profit in any way, then you are correct. Keep in mind that TL is (or was) one of the main feeders of LP, which does make a lot of money (Nazgul has made made $200-300+ from me via just a small percentage of my FTP rakeback alone, and that's just one user from LP). | ||
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