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You guys should be happy they give more warnings and temp bans. They used to just perm ban people all the time. If you aren't going to add value to the website or contribute then perhaps you shouldn't post it. Think before you post.
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The explanation at the beginning of TLOwnage sums it up pretty clearly.
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The frequent warnings and temp bans given to poor grammar, low manner users on this forum are a big part of what I love about it. This has already been said by everyone over the course of the past 12 pages in the thread, but if you take a minute to read over your post and cull those unwarranted flames, you'll have no problem posting here. I love the moderation on this site, and I love the fact that they leave the posts up in order to make an example out of those who don't follow the commandments.
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Way I see it:
Better to be too strict and temp ban a few people harshly than to start lowering standards and before you know it: POOF! TL just became as crappy as every other forum on the net.
EDIT: I've been temp banned before and I learned my lesson. I understand now why the moderators just can't let standards slip, this community is too good to be ruined by trash posts.
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We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883
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Pretty sure that this person was banned for contributing NOTHING to the thread not because of what he actually said.
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I don't think I'd spend nearly as much time at Teamliquid if the mods were any more lenient. It often times feels like primary school, and if there weren't people punishing the jerks for putting gum in other people's hair, then it'd be a damn useless place to want to be.
I know there's another thread thanking the mods, and I think that is the best thread I've read in awhile. After all, common sense is pretty rare these days:
+ Show Spoiler +
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I'm relatively new on TL (been reading on and off for a year or so) and rarely have I been surprised by a warning or a ban. Personal attacks are frowned upon, race faggotry ("all X are Y" e.g. "Zergs are whiners" or "Terrans are cheap") gets you warned, random trolling gets you warned/banned. Makes sense if the goal is to promote quality posting instead of getting more pageviews. Doesn't feel strict. If you can defend a strategy or an opinion without resorting to personal attacks then you're fine.
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Mods do get overeager, but they do it in anticipation of mob-like rage and retaliatory remarks.
I was banned for saying I hated morrow's playstyle and hoped he lost every tourney in the future.
I don't think they should discourage venting so long as there aren't too many inflammatory remarks.
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TL banning standards are really one off the finest in the whole internet. In my opinion it could even be a little more restrictive. I hat all this "and good talent toi have" "terran is a race for people with no selfrespect" etc. jokes in every single SC2 thread should lead in more cases to a warning. It was funny for some weeks but no it just get repeatet over and over again and thats just anoying.
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On September 25 2010 07:02 meegrean wrote:
TL mods are generally more likely to be stricter on the newer members.
Or are the newer members for the most part just...you know...
I don't want to generalize, but it's damn hard to see the pearls in this giant shell.
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TL is a little too strict, I was having an excellent discussion with fellow members about patching nukes in SC2 and they helped me realize that they are fine the way they are, even though I still think they need a little something (definitely graphic update), but I was just about to post another suggestion and I came across a page that said I do not have enough rights, I then searched for my thread and learned it was closed.  Oh well, just wanted to voice that they are a little strict.
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On September 25 2010 07:21 willeesmalls wrote:
I was banned for saying I hated morrow's playstyle and hoped he lost every tourney in the future.
Just out of curiosity, I went and checked the posts that you were banned for.
On August 22 2010 23:20 willeesmalls wrote:
I really hate Idra, but morrow tops idra here. Blatant and retarded abuse.
Seriously zvt in it's current state is a farce. Even as a random player, I have some choice words on this subject, but I'm not ready to take a ban.
On August 22 2010 23:35 willeesmalls wrote:
Morrow's play is ass ugly.
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I hope to hell he gets smashed in every tourney here on out.
(Talk about "inflammatory remarks"...)
On September 25 2010 07:30 KentHenry wrote:TL is a little too strict, I was having an excellent discussion with fellow members about patching nukes in SC2 and they helped me realize that they are fine the way they are, even though I still think they need a little something (definitely graphic update), but I was just about to post another suggestion and I came across a page that said I do not have enough rights, I then searched for my thread and learned it was closed. Oh well, just wanted to voice that they are a little strict.
I closed that thread. If you would like to discuss why, let's do it in the proper topic!
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On September 25 2010 06:56 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 06:45 cz wrote:On September 25 2010 06:36 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On September 25 2010 06:35 cz wrote:On September 25 2010 06:32 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On September 25 2010 06:24 cz wrote:On September 25 2010 05:48 Manifesto7 wrote:On September 25 2010 03:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
While I agree with most everything you say here, I've never seen an incorrect ban fixed (could just go on in MiR I guess). I suppose that it could have changed since when I was banned once, long ago (on some total bullshit reason, that Beyonder agreed was an unnecessary ban on IRC, but wouldn't undo my ban). But if I had one complaint about moderation here, it would be the perceived infallibility mods seem to have, and the collusion between them. Certainly it makes sense that mods would agree with each other for the most part, and certainly in front of all the regular posters (you need that sort of continuity so people don't think the moderation at the site is shit, of course), but mods here seem pretty arrogant about their status sometimes. I would say once or twice a week there is a ban that is either reversed or reduced in length. That isn't a lot, but it is consistently happening. Discussions take place in the mod section, and there is no "This user was unbanned" message. Perhaps it should be manually written in when their scarlet letter is erased. Usually those bans aren't malicious mod bans. Mods are humans too, and sometimes they misread the context of a post. I warned someone for a lousy post which he intended as joke. He PMed to explain it to me and I erased it. Sometimes it is hard to tell. On September 25 2010 05:08 cz wrote:This is how I always get in trouble. Some guy goes after me, mods ignore, I respond, mods temp ban me.
His post and your post were made 4 minutes apart. I am not yet hooked into TL via neural network, so I still actually have to browse the site and read with my eyes. -_- On September 25 2010 04:52 cz wrote:
We are the site. This site is nothing without the users. TL would go under if nobody visited. TL is not doing you a favor by existing, you are doing the owner a favor by adding equity (as a pageview or as a part of the community) by being here. TL is a business, not a charity house: there's a reason why you aren't allowed to own part of its shares, even as a silent partner: those shares have monetary value. Of course TL needs users but the rest of this is almost all rubbish. Users add pageviews and take bandwidth. It is a two way relationship. And guess what, mods are users of the site too. We just happen to be the ones that help keep the place clean. You cannot equate the TL entity to the mods. And yes, technically there are owners, but if TL is a business, where is my cheaque? What are these shares with monetary value you speak of? When TL starts charging people to be a member you may have a point, but not until then. There are no shares because total ownership is in one person's hands or is in the hands of two or more people with an informal agreement. The bottom line, however, is that TL can both make money and has sell value. You don't get a check because the owner isn't willing to pay. It's the same thing with any website: pageviews and active membership create value that either is monetized or can be monetized through advertisement, direct sales, or so on. As a result the viewers add value to the site through their simple viewing of it (pageviews are a large factor in advertising rates) and through adding to the community which in turn attracts more. Except that TL is mostly ad free (minus the google ones at the top). It's not exactly cheap to pay for bandwidth for a site. It has the potential to make money, but probably does not make money. And if it does, it makes very little. TL, according to the owners, is mostly about the love, though it'd be nice to make money on it... Naz or Meat posted all about this when the site's look was changed. Ha, you're like the people from that SP episode with that line of thought. "I want your internet money." If it never makes any profit in any way, then you are correct. Keep in mind that TL is (or was) one of the main feeders of LP, which does make a lot of money (Nazgul has made made $200-300+ from me via just a small percentage of my FTP rakeback alone, and that's just one user from LP). Right, but LP is a separate entity, and I think they pay their "contributors" there anyway (contributors being writers and mods). But TL generates traffic for LP (or did so significantly), and thus some of the LP profits has to be considered to be partially as belonging to TL. I guess I missed the point about what this has to do with anything being discussed?? Some obscure rant about how this site is nothing without the users? Here's a little fact: Most of the users like the moderation here. It's what has kept the community viable for so long. People like you who whine about moderation apparently aren't bothered by it enough to go elsewhere. Membership is at all time high. Previously banned users come back time and time again. All really compelling reasons to suddenly eschew strict moderation that keeps idiots out of a free forum.
You did miss the point entirely. Next time stop there before putting words in my mouth.
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Kennigit
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The state of the starcraft 2/strategy forum should be perfect evidence that we are not too strict on free speech ~_~.
I had dinner with one of the mod/admins of pgr21 at blizzcon last year (basically the korean equiv of TL).
- he was shocked that we allow users to post immediately after registering.
- They have a 14 day weight period to post and 1 month to make threads (need to check these numbers with wax).
- If you post is less than a certain number of lines, immediately banned
- It's not a perfect forum by any means and is FAR more elitist than TL, but it works for them.
I don't think we have a perfect system right now and it needs to change based on the huge number of new users. I don't think its broken/unfair though.
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On September 25 2010 07:35 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 06:56 Hawk wrote:On September 25 2010 06:45 cz wrote:On September 25 2010 06:36 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On September 25 2010 06:35 cz wrote:On September 25 2010 06:32 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On September 25 2010 06:24 cz wrote:On September 25 2010 05:48 Manifesto7 wrote:On September 25 2010 03:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
While I agree with most everything you say here, I've never seen an incorrect ban fixed (could just go on in MiR I guess). I suppose that it could have changed since when I was banned once, long ago (on some total bullshit reason, that Beyonder agreed was an unnecessary ban on IRC, but wouldn't undo my ban). But if I had one complaint about moderation here, it would be the perceived infallibility mods seem to have, and the collusion between them. Certainly it makes sense that mods would agree with each other for the most part, and certainly in front of all the regular posters (you need that sort of continuity so people don't think the moderation at the site is shit, of course), but mods here seem pretty arrogant about their status sometimes. I would say once or twice a week there is a ban that is either reversed or reduced in length. That isn't a lot, but it is consistently happening. Discussions take place in the mod section, and there is no "This user was unbanned" message. Perhaps it should be manually written in when their scarlet letter is erased. Usually those bans aren't malicious mod bans. Mods are humans too, and sometimes they misread the context of a post. I warned someone for a lousy post which he intended as joke. He PMed to explain it to me and I erased it. Sometimes it is hard to tell. On September 25 2010 05:08 cz wrote:This is how I always get in trouble. Some guy goes after me, mods ignore, I respond, mods temp ban me.
His post and your post were made 4 minutes apart. I am not yet hooked into TL via neural network, so I still actually have to browse the site and read with my eyes. -_- On September 25 2010 04:52 cz wrote:
We are the site. This site is nothing without the users. TL would go under if nobody visited. TL is not doing you a favor by existing, you are doing the owner a favor by adding equity (as a pageview or as a part of the community) by being here. TL is a business, not a charity house: there's a reason why you aren't allowed to own part of its shares, even as a silent partner: those shares have monetary value. Of course TL needs users but the rest of this is almost all rubbish. Users add pageviews and take bandwidth. It is a two way relationship. And guess what, mods are users of the site too. We just happen to be the ones that help keep the place clean. You cannot equate the TL entity to the mods. And yes, technically there are owners, but if TL is a business, where is my cheaque? What are these shares with monetary value you speak of? When TL starts charging people to be a member you may have a point, but not until then. There are no shares because total ownership is in one person's hands or is in the hands of two or more people with an informal agreement. The bottom line, however, is that TL can both make money and has sell value. You don't get a check because the owner isn't willing to pay. It's the same thing with any website: pageviews and active membership create value that either is monetized or can be monetized through advertisement, direct sales, or so on. As a result the viewers add value to the site through their simple viewing of it (pageviews are a large factor in advertising rates) and through adding to the community which in turn attracts more. Except that TL is mostly ad free (minus the google ones at the top). It's not exactly cheap to pay for bandwidth for a site. It has the potential to make money, but probably does not make money. And if it does, it makes very little. TL, according to the owners, is mostly about the love, though it'd be nice to make money on it... Naz or Meat posted all about this when the site's look was changed. Ha, you're like the people from that SP episode with that line of thought. "I want your internet money." If it never makes any profit in any way, then you are correct. Keep in mind that TL is (or was) one of the main feeders of LP, which does make a lot of money (Nazgul has made made $200-300+ from me via just a small percentage of my FTP rakeback alone, and that's just one user from LP). Right, but LP is a separate entity, and I think they pay their "contributors" there anyway (contributors being writers and mods). But TL generates traffic for LP (or did so significantly), and thus some of the LP profits has to be considered to be partially as belonging to TL. I guess I missed the point about what this has to do with anything being discussed?? Some obscure rant about how this site is nothing without the users? Here's a little fact: Most of the users like the moderation here. It's what has kept the community viable for so long. People like you who whine about moderation apparently aren't bothered by it enough to go elsewhere. Membership is at all time high. Previously banned users come back time and time again. All really compelling reasons to suddenly eschew strict moderation that keeps idiots out of a free forum. You did miss the point entirely. Next time stop there before putting words in my mouth.
What words were put in your mouth? Are you denying that you whine about the moderation here?
On September 10 2010 04:58 cz wrote:
Only at the mods and the really high post count people who think they are gods and act like douchebags knowing that they won't face any repercussions. Meanwhile everyone has to be nice in replying to the troll-laced, down-syndrome induced, spastic post lest they be banned.
tl;dr Mods/high post count "vets" are the most rude and biggest trolls on the site but get away with it because TL is an awkward hierarchy instead of a community with integrity and uniformly enforced rules
User was temp banned for this post.
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Artosis: whine whine bitch bitch. What a dork he is. Tasteless needs a new co-commentator.
I've been banned for calling bitchy members like you bitches so I don't see why you'd expect to get away with insulting someone who has contributed so much to the community.
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I like it, although sometimes i feel that they are treating people differently. Some of the replies in the Terran whine threads are ridiculous, and there are so many people in those threads that should just get a warning/temp banned.
In the recent "fruitseller might switch races" i'd say about 10% of the posts deserve warnings, probably even more.
If someone wants to discuss balance they should do it properly, and not like "just switch terran and win everything" or "terrans only need 40 apm at top diamond" or something just completely stupid.
Any thread about anything always gets turned into a TvZ battle, usually by some post claiming that T is the easiest race ever. And these people rarely get banned. Just a few bans might set an example for the rest 
But what do i know, it's probably a nightmare to moderate a video game forum :D
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Many posts really deserve the warning at least and mods are doing great job at that. Also really depends on which mod is actually taking care of it. I personally got temp-banned not long ago for showing that i am not sorry for 9/11 - i shouldn't have posted what i did, but i still think .. it is my freedom of speech and opinion, right? (i didn't insult anybody or said anything about conspiracy, nor was offensive in any way). I think i did not deserve the ban, but if i could go back - i wouldn't post it as it is very sensitive subject for some people, which i did not fully-realize when i was aksed on my opinion. (still probably only acceptable opinion is: i am so sorry and god bless America) which is pretty biased when you are asked for your opinion..I have nothing against Americans and would like to ask everyone to not react to my post at any way, i just wanted to show that..Yeah, sometimes the ban does not feel justified, still most of them are. Keep up the good work TL team
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people don't seem to understand that TL is a community site and that almost everyone on staff / mods started out EXACTLY as you did. we started as normal posters. it's most of the "elitist vets" that we came up with that helped shaped the TL community into what it is now, so if you don't know the history you should watch what you say.
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