EPTTL a little too strict on speech? - Page 10
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epicdoom
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Nytefish
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danl9rm
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On September 25 2010 02:44 myopia wrote: TL's moderating is the finest on the internet. edit: I've never been banned cuz I don't make crude posts and I'm not unnecessarily rude to others. Do that and you're fine. Don't, and maybe you get banned, maybe not? Risk it if you want. | ||
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Headshot
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On September 25 2010 05:08 cz wrote: Unless you think overzealous moderation is a problem, of course, like the OP. Then gtfo. If you don't like the way the site is run, you can go somewhere else. This isn't a democracy, it's stated really clearly in the ten commandments of TL that it is not such a site. So you have two options, abide by the rules and enjoy the way things are run, or gtfo. Why should they change the site for the <10% of people who don't like the way it's run? Btw, those <10% of people, are almost always really shitty posters. Not surprisingly, either. It seems garbage posters would rather the rules accommodate their bad posting, rather than making their posts better. And you wouldn't get banned if you post constructively. I haven't seen your previous bans, but my guess is that you don't exactly take an even-keel approach to them. You probably come back and flame the person. It's pretty rare that constructive posts, with proper tone get banned. You can have a constructive post, and be a douchebag and get banned. You can have a nice post that is unconstructive and get banned. But constructive and not douchy doesn't get banned often. On September 25 2010 05:25 Carnac wrote: Please don't go around martyring yourself, we usually ban people outright for comments like these, it's incredibly annoying. No one is going to ban anyone for constructive criticism..., which should be in the feedback forum btw. No, we certainly don't discuss what other moderators do in the public forums, but internal forum discussions about specific bans are common. It might not happen every day, that a ban is shortened or completely undone, but it happens. No mod is perfect, but I believe with plenty of other mods looking at each other's bans/warnings it works out very well. Bey couldn't have unbanned you even if he wanted to, mods can't unban, only admins can. I mistyped that, I meant couldn't. Because I remember the discussion being such. He said I'd have to talk to Naz or Meat at that time. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:42 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Then gtfo. If you don't like the way the site is run, you can go somewhere else. This isn't a democracy, it's stated really clearly in the ten commandments of TL that it is not such a site. So you have two options, abide by the rules and enjoy the way things are run, or gtfo. Why should they change the site for the <10% of people who don't like the way it's run? Btw, those <10% of people, are almost always really shitty posters. Or start a discussion to see if perhaps it is a general issue that others feel is true too. The OP here has started a civil discussion which continued for 10 pages until your post. | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
The mods and admins on TL.net are doing a great job and i feel that they could even be a little bit stricter, when it comes to one word replays, trolling or shitty posting (especially on the SC2 forums). Tl.net is the only public forum i know that actually cares about quality before quantity. We don't need another battle.net forum. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27174 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: While I agree with most everything you say here, I've never seen an incorrect ban fixed (could just go on in MiR I guess). I suppose that it could have changed since when I was banned once, long ago (on some total bullshit reason, that Beyonder agreed was an unnecessary ban on IRC, but wouldn't undo my ban). But if I had one complaint about moderation here, it would be the perceived infallibility mods seem to have, and the collusion between them. Certainly it makes sense that mods would agree with each other for the most part, and certainly in front of all the regular posters (you need that sort of continuity so people don't think the moderation at the site is shit, of course), but mods here seem pretty arrogant about their status sometimes. I would say once or twice a week there is a ban that is either reversed or reduced in length. That isn't a lot, but it is consistently happening. Discussions take place in the mod section, and there is no "This user was unbanned" message. Perhaps it should be manually written in when their scarlet letter is erased. Usually those bans aren't malicious mod bans. Mods are humans too, and sometimes they misread the context of a post. I warned someone for a lousy post which he intended as joke. He PMed to explain it to me and I erased it. Sometimes it is hard to tell. On September 25 2010 05:08 cz wrote:This is how I always get in trouble. Some guy goes after me, mods ignore, I respond, mods temp ban me. His post and your post were made 4 minutes apart. I am not yet hooked into TL via neural network, so I still actually have to browse the site and read with my eyes. -_- On September 25 2010 04:52 cz wrote: We are the site. This site is nothing without the users. TL would go under if nobody visited. TL is not doing you a favor by existing, you are doing the owner a favor by adding equity (as a pageview or as a part of the community) by being here. TL is a business, not a charity house: there's a reason why you aren't allowed to own part of its shares, even as a silent partner: those shares have monetary value. Of course TL needs users but the rest of this is almost all rubbish. Users add pageviews and take bandwidth. It is a two way relationship. And guess what, mods are users of the site too. We just happen to be the ones that help keep the place clean. You cannot equate the TL entity to the mods. And yes, technically there are owners, but if TL is a business, where is my cheaque? What are these shares with monetary value you speak of? When TL starts charging people to be a member you may have a point, but not until then. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:40 Nytefish wrote: Not strict enough imo. tpyng leik dis shud get u band you get bashed like no other. | ||
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THE_DOMINATOR
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QuanticHawk
United States32149 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:44 cz wrote: Or start a discussion to see if perhaps it is a general issue that others feel is true too. The OP here has started a civil discussion which continued for 10 pages until your post. Do you have any idea how many times this discussion has come up at this site over the last.... five years or so??? I mean, if you don't think the ban that spurred this entire, pointless thread was entirely warranted, I don't even know what to say. Do you enjoy reading youtube comments too?? Because I don't. And that's what shit like that is like. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:39 chimthegrim wrote: Well, just a thought. Hopefully I don't get banned for this post. If you honestly can't see why he was banned maybe you should be. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
The mods do a great job overall though. Never had an issue with any of them. They don't get the credit they deserve. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
The example you posted is a gray area. If the poster had a history of positive contribution to the community/site, if it hadn't been the first post, if he had framed his thoughts more coherently, and if the issue wasn't a sore spot for the community (zerg balance), he probably wouldn't have gotten banned. However... | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On September 25 2010 05:44 cz wrote: Or start a discussion to see if perhaps it is a general issue that others feel is true too. The OP here has started a civil discussion which continued for 10 pages until your post. I have to stop posting then editing so much. I do it too often, and people miss like half my message. But, that's not really uncivil, what I said. It's just matter of fact. Sometimes facts aren't nice, but that's how it is here. If people don't like it, they're free to leave. Having a discussion about it is fine, but people whining about it being too strict, and it needs to be less strict, and "unless it's all spam, there's no need for mods." That's how you get to be like blizz's BW forums were, or how gosugamers is, or most other sites on the internet. Someone here put it perfectly before when addressing the recent spikes in bans. A couple years ago, this was a very close-knit community. Pretty much everyone knew everyone here. Now, there are so many users, it's losing that feel, but that's why this site has been so loved for so long. So the bannishments are an attempt to keep that same aura around the site, while not losing public appeal. It's a fine line to tow, though. | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
The guy didn't get banned for saying IdrA isn't God, he got banned because he posted without contributing at all to the discussion and did so with negativity. Its the kind of thing that starts fights and derails topics. If you don't have something to contribute, then you have to at least be nice or else you risk starting fights and derailing topics. Its an excellent policy. Keep it up mods. | ||
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udgnim
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newvsoldschool
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