EPTTL a little too strict on speech? - Page 23
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infinity2k9
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Ghostcom
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HardcoreBilly
United States222 Posts
Example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=144149 Early on the thread On August 15 2010 10:05 Perkins1752 wrote: Dude it has been said so many times no: 1.Zerg players are worse then the average Terran player 2. Zerg is fine l2p 3. If you are still losing, just use nydus 4. It's the player, not the race 5. Just mass Mutas/Roaches and it's gg 6. Broodlords are awesome just quicktech to Blords and it's gg 7. Just sac an Overlord Others than that, Zerg has superior early-midgame strategies themselves: 1. Banelingbust! 2. Roaches! 3. Alot of other strategies, i don't remember exactly but they are completely awesome 4. Nydus! (It has not been mentioned often, but nydus totally owns) Others than that, Zerg is fine l2p User was temp banned for this post. He got temp banned for apparently derailing the thread. The only person who took it seriously in the entire thread was pieisamazing. Why wasn't he the one who was banned? It was such obvious dry humor, that only a fool would believe it. And there was no derailing of thread whatsoever. Only a couple people addressed the sarcasm to pie, before he realized his aloofness. --------- That's one that I vividly remembered because I actually chuckled at perkin's joke, and was thinking 'wtf' to see he was temp-banned. Many times, warnings/bans are deserved, but to say the mods aren't trigger-happy from time to time would be a misstatement. | ||
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lac29
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micronesia
United States24669 Posts
On September 26 2010 10:49 HardcoreBilly wrote: I'm sorry but there are cases of mods being unruly. Example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=144149 Early on the thread He got temp banned for apparently derailing the thread. The only person who took it seriously in the entire thread was pieisamazing. Why wasn't he the one who was banned? It was such obvious dry humor, that only a fool would believe it. And there was no derailing of thread whatsoever. Only a couple people addressed the sarcasm to pie, before he realized his aloofness. --------- That's one that I vividly remembered because I actually chuckled at perkin's joke, and was thinking 'wtf' to see he was temp-banned. Many times, warnings/bans are deserved, but to say the mods aren't trigger-happy from time to time would be a misstatement. I don't think he was banned because the mod didn't realize he was joking... that's not the point. First of all it was only a 2 day ban and secondly that was just terrible timing to make a post like that. A top zerg is addressing a highly sensitive issue and a few posts into the thread people are fucking around. How derailed the thread 'got' isn't the only thing that could factor in to what action should be taken. I think anything more than 2 day would have been overkill though. On September 26 2010 10:49 lac29 wrote: One involves a warning I got that I didn't think was warranted. If you really want to know you can look back in my post history to find it. It was questioning a famous TLer who asked for money. I tried looking it up but with so little information it was difficult so I got bored... but if you are gonna make that claim then at least don't be lazy and provide the link ._. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On September 26 2010 09:53 lac29 wrote: The only thing I don't like is the favoritism for long-time members or mods or former mods ... or famous players. There is a little too much hero-worshipping in general (among staff and the general TL masses). Why? Why should people who have contributed 20x more to the esports community have to put up with retarded posters who post out of a combination of arrogance and ignorance? I know if I had invested an insane amount of time in the esports community, and I was allowed to lash out at a random idiot who posts retarded things every once in a while, I simply wouldn't post. And what made me start posting on Tl.net was because there were a lot of recognized progamers and contributors active in the community. It wasn't just another esports forum, it was "the" esports forum. It isn't about hero worship at all. It comes down to one thing. Do you want famous players posting with more privilege, and being active in the community and participating in discussions or do you want TL to be a forum for fans only. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On September 26 2010 11:01 Half wrote: Why? Why should people who have contributed 20x more to the esports community have to put up with retarded posters who post out of a combination of arrogance and ignorance? I know if I had invested an insane amount of time in the esports community, and I was allowed to lash out at a random idiot who posts retarded things every once in a while, I simply wouldn't post. And what made me start posting on Tl.net was because there were a lot of recognized progamers and contributors active in the community. It wasn't just another esports forum, it was "the" esports forum. It isn't about hero worship at all. It comes down to one thing. Do you want famous players posting with more privilege, and being active in the community and participating in discussions or do you want TL to be a forum for fans only. It's obvious that TL mods do a fine job at most stupid posts. However there are still a lot of valid, reasonably courteous and/or thoughtful posts where ppl are warned or temp banned. I'm not talking about stupid posters ... I'm talking about the other reasonable posters who get punished because mods favor certain TLers. micronesia: It was Artosis asking TLers for money so he could buy a camera. I call it favoritism when I get warned simply because I was wondering why he needed so much money for what I thought was a webcam. Also I brought up the point that he should let everyone know how much money he needs exactly because frankly, TLers can be easily taken advantage of by ppl asking for money and never telling them when to stop donating or how much the goal is (he did eventually say he got enough money but if I remember correctly did not say how much his target goal was). There is no accountability and I think that even from someone like Artosis there should be accountability when you are someone online asking for money from others. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131266¤tpage=2 You were probably the one who warned me. I guess the main point in this particular instance is if anyone in TL asks for money it's perfectly reasonable for ppl to ask questions as to why this money is needed for whatever they want to do. I think it boils down to whether you think my post was courteous enough (I think it was especially given what I knew about the situation (webcam vs camera as well as someone asking for money). You obvious disagreed and warned me. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27140 Posts
On September 26 2010 10:49 HardcoreBilly wrote: I'm sorry but there are cases of mods being unruly. Example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=144149 Early on the thread He got temp banned for apparently derailing the thread. The only person who took it seriously in the entire thread was pieisamazing. Why wasn't he the one who was banned? It was such obvious dry humor, that only a fool would believe it. And there was no derailing of thread whatsoever. Only a couple people addressed the sarcasm to pie, before he realized his aloofness. --------- That's one that I vividly remembered because I actually chuckled at perkin's joke, and was thinking 'wtf' to see he was temp-banned. Many times, warnings/bans are deserved, but to say the mods aren't trigger-happy from time to time would be a misstatement. Writing "l2p" is bannable. | ||
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rally_point
Canada458 Posts
And people in the SFW Pics thread can't post pictures properly? Just hit the preview button. If it doesn't show up in the preview.... it isn't going to show up in the thread... There should also be some sort of standard for starting threads. People seem to think they can start any kind of thread they want (whether it's a personal issue, balance issue that'd been talked about, fanboy or player hate, etc), with whatever lack of support they want to provide. It's really disheartening when I open a new thread to see three lines in the OP or a completely closed minded argument Anyways thanks again for the TL mods. We (forum goers, lurkers, etc) should really be grateful for such a great site (edit for minor grammar) | ||
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HardcoreBilly
United States222 Posts
On September 26 2010 10:56 micronesia wrote: I don't think he was banned because the mod didn't realize he was joking... that's not the point. First of all it was only a 2 day ban and secondly that was just terrible timing to make a post like that. A top zerg is addressing a highly sensitive issue and a few posts into the thread people are fucking around. How derailed the thread 'got' isn't the only thing that could factor in to what action should be taken. I think anything more than 2 day would have been overkill though. I know the mod knew he wasn't joking. It still doesn't justify it imo. I guess it's a matter of opinion.  Yeah, fuck context! | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
i think the banhammer is workless at moment. so many useless threads and post of people who try to start a endless discussion over things that were discussed in other threads. every 20 -50 of them get a "close , warn , ban". a post like the one quotet in the op can destroy a good thread in sec. its like a mark for all the spammer: here we can start" sometimes i come here read some threads and think by myself: " why the fuck i am reading tl ... onyl low level and low age players post here in last month". A day later i find some really intressting and good threads. Than i realize the good post are the same but to many new joung people joined and start mass spam. So if i were a tl mod i would ban much much more. i hope for tl the mass spammer here will move on to other sites ... because i dont know any better site to get good sc information but im at a point where im thinking : Are the good infomation worth it to read so many shit to find them? On August 15 2010 10:05 Perkins1752 wrote: Dude it has been said so many times no: 1.Zerg players are worse then the average Terran player 2. Zerg is fine l2p 3. If you are still losing, just use nydus 4. It's the player, not the race 5. Just mass Mutas/Roaches and it's gg 6. Broodlords are awesome just quicktech to Blords and it's gg 7. Just sac an Overlord Others than that, Zerg has superior early-midgame strategies themselves: 1. Banelingbust! 2. Roaches! 3. Alot of other strategies, i don't remember exactly but they are completely awesome 4. Nydus! (It has not been mentioned often, but nydus totally owns) Others than that, Zerg is fine l2p User was temp banned for this post. over this: hes a spammer who makes fun over a diffrent group of spammer. thats perhaps funny but thats make them only spam more. its a troll post! and a clear ban | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Allowing abbreviations like "l2p" in an ironic context opens up an enormous can of worms. The line between an instance of "l2p" used to make fun of people who say "l2p" and an instance used because the the post writer is an idiot is very hazy. To clarify: a bunch of people using "l2p" to make fun of ignorant internet slang shits up the forums about as much as the ignorant internet slang itself. | ||
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Hunch
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lac29
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micronesia
United States24669 Posts
On September 26 2010 11:09 lac29 wrote: micronesia: It was Artosis asking TLers for money so he could buy a camera. I call it favoritism when I get warned simply because I was wondering why he needed so much money for what I thought was a webcam. Also I brought up the point that he should let everyone know how much money he needs exactly because frankly, TLers can be easily taken advantage of by ppl asking for money and never telling them when to stop donating or how much the goal is (he did eventually say he got enough money but if I remember correctly did not say how much his target goal was). There is no accountability and I think that even from someone like Artosis there should be accountability when you are someone online asking for money from others. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131266¤tpage=2 You were probably the one who warned me. I guess the main point in this particular instance is if anyone in TL asks for money it's perfectly reasonable for ppl to ask questions as to why this money is needed for whatever they want to do. I think it boils down to whether you think my post was courteous enough (I think it was especially given what I knew about the situation (webcam vs camera as well as someone asking for money). You obvious disagreed and warned me. First of all I'm not the one who warned you... It wasn't some crazy undue favoritism.... he had been putting together programs on a weekly for a long time, and was trying to get the equipment necessary to keep doing it and hopefully improve upon it, and then you ignorantly accused him of stuff that didn't make sense. It's clear you didn't intend to be unreasonable or whatever... which is I would assume why you received a warning rather than a ban. The point is to show that it's not okay to ignorantly accuse people of stuff regarding how they contribute to the community. On September 26 2010 11:43 lac29 wrote: Another thing is that blogs have been clamped down on as well. I'm fine with strict SC moderating but I think that blogs should be mostly free reign (minus of course one-line sentences etc). I forgot which blogs but I do remember one or two legitimate blog posts (probably opinion/complaining pieces on balance or something like that). I get that these posts shouldn't be in the SC2 strat forums ... but for the love of God let ppl post on their blogs about these things. Can you tell us which blogs they were? I'm sick of you mentioning all these injustices but being too lazy to actually point them out to us. Also keep in mind our blogs section isn't exactly the same as typical online blogs... and thus they aren't treated exactly the same way. | ||
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moopie
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On September 26 2010 11:26 rally_point wrote: If anything I think they aren't strict enough. Even though I've been a member of this site for only a couple of years, I can tell the post quality has decreased considerably. Too bad TL doesn't have a larger number of mods (shout out to all the TL mods you guys are the best) Its mainly the SC2 forum (and certain heated topics in the general forum). The BW forums haven't really been too much of an issue even before the end of the season. Mods are indeed doing a good job, but yeah the sc2 forum fills up with so much garbage sometimes its painful to browse. With any luck this trend will calm down though after people get more used to SC2, and hopefully the endless OP/imba threads and posts will cease. Mods generally show a high level of restraint. On September 26 2010 11:41 Hunch wrote: wtf does l2p mean? Learn to play. | ||
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lubu42
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lac29
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On September 26 2010 11:46 micronesia wrote: First of all I'm not the one who warned you... It wasn't some crazy undue favoritism.... he had been putting together programs on a weekly for a long time, and was trying to get the equipment necessary to keep doing it and hopefully improve upon it, and then you ignorantly accused him of stuff that didn't make sense. It's clear you didn't intend to be unreasonable or whatever... which is I would assume why you received a warning rather than a ban. The point is to show that it's not okay to ignorantly accuse people of stuff regarding how they contribute to the community. Can you tell us which blogs they were? I'm sick of you mentioning all these injustices but being too lazy to actually point them out to us. Also keep in mind our blogs section isn't exactly the same as typical online blogs... and thus they aren't treated exactly the same way. It was undue favoritism. I didn't accuse him of anything unreasonable. I asked why he needed to ask for money for what I thought was a $50 webcam. Obviously I was wrong about it being a webcam but Artosis slung back with some pretty rude comeback. Seriously, if you are asking for money you should expect some questioning. And I also did intend to be reasonable. I admitted my mistake and I mentioned that he should also put what his goal is and how far he is towards that goal. If you continue reading Jibba even agreed with me and I got more BS from some user who posted right under Jibba. Being famous doesn't mean you can't be questioned or held accountable. As for the blogs, I honestly don't remember which ones. It's not like I posted in those blogs or saved them. You are being very aggressive and extreme ... and honestly I don't know why. I've taken my fair share of criticism and you should be able to handle some as well. | ||
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micronesia
United States24669 Posts
On September 26 2010 12:03 lac29 wrote: It was undue favoritism. I didn't accuse him of anything unreasonable. I asked why he needed to ask for money for what I thought was a $50 webcam. Obviously I was wrong about it being a webcam but Artosis slung back with some pretty rude comeback. Seriously, if you are asking for money you should expect some questioning. And I also did intend to be reasonable. I admitted my mistake and I mentioned that he should also put what his goal is and how far he is towards that goal. If you continue reading Jibba even agreed with me and I got more BS from some user who posted right under Jibba. Being famous doesn't mean you can't be questioned or held accountable. If you weren't showing to be ignorant of what he does and was trying to do then I don't think there would have been a problem. Everything else wasn't bad for mostly the reasons you gave. As for the blogs, I honestly don't remember which ones. It's not like I posted in those blogs or saved them. You are being very aggressive and extreme ... and honestly I don't know why. I've taken my fair share of criticism and you should be able to handle some as well. I will admit I've gotten frustrated with case after case of people referring to 'that time' moderation was bad with no evidence, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me to get especially frustrated with someone who does it more than once in the same thread. Also you haven't criticized me specifically as far as I know. | ||
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lac29
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