TL a little too strict on speech? - Page 3

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

September 24 2010 18:01 GMT

#41

basically if you got strong opinion you'll eventually stack temp bans and/or get banned, or if the mod is drunk late at night

most of the old timers have one or more banned acct

although the influx of sc2 ppl brought a lot of crap posters who post at other places with no moderation whatsoever. these people deserve it. Mods are harder on newbies which makes sense on TL. Only way you gotta learn.

Golden Ghost

Netherlands1041 Posts

September 24 2010 18:02 GMT

#42

I do see the occasional temp ban that I think was judged a little bit to harsh but overall the vast majority of the bans is correct imo. The risk with having a strict ban policy is that every once in a while a post that balanced on the edge gets banned and that's to bad for the user it concerned who perhaps didn't mean harm or wasn't even aware he was balancing on the edge. But to be honest I have it this way any time over a forum with looser policies and more "trash".

Harem

United States11393 Posts

September 24 2010 18:02 GMT

#43

On September 25 2010 02:55 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It isn't really about the poster's rights. It's more about what readers have to read. There isn't any way for anyone to benefit from reading the post you quoted. It's completely trash and I don't know why you'd want the thousands of people looking at that thread to read that comment.

Yeah.

It gets even more magnified when it's the first reply to a thread as that always gets looked at more harshly. First reply can turn even the best OP into a trash thread. (ie memes, derailment, posters trying to pretend to be cute/funny/smart with some dumb joke etc.)

Golden Ghost

Netherlands1041 Posts

September 24 2010 18:05 GMT

#44

On September 25 2010 03:01 .risingdragoon wrote:
basically if you got strong opinion you'll eventually stack temp bans and/or get banned

most of the old timers have one or more banned acct

The problem isn't in those opinions but in how they are voiced. I have seen a lot of veterans receiving bans because they were just trash talking and trying to destroy the people who didn't agree with them without even trying to justify their own opinion.

So imo you are flat out wrong concerning this statement.

Ichabod

United States1659 Posts

September 24 2010 18:06 GMT

#45

A lot of people have this deluded concept that 'freedom of speech' carries over to the internet, that combined with the anonymity of online actions can cause a huge amount of stupid stuff being said, and overall poor posting.

TL's mods are completely in their right to moderate the community in any way they see fit, without strict moderators and the discipline they enforce, TL would run the risk of becoming like 4chan (less of the risk, since TL deals with starcraft, and good manners are pretty admirable in the professional scene).

Edit: actually...Mr. OP, if you would like a amount of concise feedback from the community, you might be able to put a poll in the OP to provide a general trend.

DwmC_Foefen

Belgium2186 Posts

September 24 2010 18:09 GMT

#46

Have you read the ten commandments? :p

They'll do as they please here.

And that's fine by me ^^

Silvanel

Poland4769 Posts

September 24 2010 18:10 GMT

#47

I love strictness of TL, and sometimes i wish it woud be even stronger. It realy helps forums, and site in general.

As to the quote mentioned in OP i happen to agree with it, but that user posted his opinion in wrong way, that was invitation to flamewar not constructive opinion nor constructive criticizm. While i belive the criticizm of inverviewed person do have place in disscusion about interview that certainly was not the way to do it.

HwangjaeTerran

Finland5967 Posts

September 24 2010 18:10 GMT

#48

That post brought absolutely nothing to the discussion except for the negativity.
Permaban IMO, but I understand that the mods can be humane at times too.

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

September 24 2010 18:12 GMT

#49

On September 25 2010 03:05 Golden Ghost wrote:

Show nested quote +

you haven't been around long nuff. you can be very calm and sensible and get banned,

shit I have, I got a 30 day for talking in favor of kespa when bliz muscled in when it first happened, now mostly everybody sees and gets it now

and I got a per ban for alerting people to 1-year free antivirus subscription, just cus I didn't put enough effort into the OP.

I think I'm on my last warming still lol, only reason I'm not is cus I contributed a lot back in the day on live threads, articles, R&S, and all that.

semantics

10040 Posts

September 24 2010 18:13 GMT

#50

If this is a problem give me 10 examples over the past year. Given the numbers of posts and bans this site has there should easily be able to find 10 people so wronged.

Bowdy

United States232 Posts

September 24 2010 18:15 GMT

#51

I'm in agreement that mods are a bit too strict, and by a bit too strict I mean way too strict. I see people get warned/banned for the dumbest shit.

Golden Ghost

Netherlands1041 Posts

September 24 2010 18:15 GMT

#52

@.risingdragoon

LOL. Please look at my join date before making that statement.
It is true I didn't post for many years but I always visited TL everyday and read (I dare to say) a VERY large part of the posts.

Graham

Canada1259 Posts

September 24 2010 18:15 GMT

#53

The strictness of TL.net's modding is what makes it so awesome.
If you want a "more slack" version of TL.net, go on the official b.net forums, lol.

That post was going to derail the thread anyways into a flame war.

Latvia791 Posts

September 24 2010 18:18 GMT

#54

There's a HUGE bonus to TL being strict - not much bullshit around, but... the SOMETIMES big downside is that it's too biased.

Warning and temp banning for that post is not just strict, it's unfair, he said it with reason in mannered way. And it's a sensible opinion.

Pikachusc2

Canada91 Posts

September 24 2010 18:19 GMT

#55

i'd rather have it strick so there is only one time trollers,
honestly you shouldnt be posting like a retard anyways,

if you have a problem PM them,

A3iL3r0n

United States2196 Posts

September 24 2010 18:20 GMT

#56

I think the moderating is perfect. There's no reason anyone has to post like a dumb ass. It seems like as long as you make your reasoning clear, and your tone isn't completely out of bounds, you will be fine.

GinDo

3327 Posts

September 24 2010 18:21 GMT

#57

I love TL Forum moderators because it prevents this forum from turning into something what the SC2 Websites is currently. If you go to the SC2 website the forum is just plaguuuuuuuuuuued by horrid bad posts. Almost all topics are about OP and QQ. Nerf this and that. And pointless threads. Just have a look. :r

Every time i post i run the risk of having Bronze leaguers and people who havent even played a single ladder match telling me im wrong and thumbs downing my post because they simply dislike my personal opinion.

Too strict is better then having no mods at all. And I openly accept TL moderators.

Thanks Guys for the great job.

Murderotica

Vatican City State2594 Posts

September 24 2010 18:21 GMT

#58

Look at every user who was banned after 1000 posts. They all deserved to be banned, but were tolerated for so long. TL has a lot of patience, but sometimes that patience has to be purchased with good behavior on the side. A person with not enough posts to give an accurate indicator of character BMs Idra, says QQ, and applies it an entire SC race like it's some sort of hive-mind mentality (lol), therefore also technically bitching about imbalance which is also a ban-able offense. I would perm him.

Back

Canada505 Posts

September 24 2010 18:21 GMT

#59

If balance talk was reserve exclusively to a specific forum, I would have no complaints about TL moderation. Right now, what constitute whining and constructive balance criticism is vague and people just ride the fine line in between in all forums.

jimminy_kriket

Canada5539 Posts

September 24 2010 18:21 GMT

#60

And I'll try and let some of the newer folks into the heads of some of the moderators. Before SC2 came out this website was an very close community. There were the base group of users who all knew each other , then there were the new users who over time would either leave the site or become part of the base group. Everyone had their own personality and you could generally know what to expect going into threads created by particular users. Everyone could basically shoot the shit, read some news if they wanted, read some strat section, etc. and almost never miss any thread they deemed interesting.

Since SC2 that feeling of "personality" each user has has diminished alot. It's hard (impossible) to get to know all the new users, and you no longer know what to expect going into the vast majority of threads. Before you could tell by looking at the poster. Incontrol would be arguing with people / trolling / posting some wise starcraft strategy. CharlieMurphy would be trolling even harder. Rekrul would be posting some crazy ass story / touching on some taboo subject. You get the point.

Now its near impossible to distinguish between the good threads and the bad threads without going into them. I think alot of bans are resulting from this. Mods like to read interesting articles and stories just as much as we do, but when they feel they are wasting their time due to the large influx of bad / un-interesting threads their patience wears. Most mods probably want TL back to the old way, and banning lower than good quality users is potentially one way to do this. I feel its a lost cause at this point in time, while starcraft 2 is at the peak of its popularity, but it still needs to be done to keep some semblance of quality posting visible.

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