EPTIt doesn't take much to see how the bad guys (who use Islam to fuel their fire) would get a kick out of a mosque at ground zero.
Views on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 10
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
It doesn't take much to see how the bad guys (who use Islam to fuel their fire) would get a kick out of a mosque at ground zero. | ||
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
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Pais
United States11 Posts
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On August 25 2010 10:23 ggrrg wrote: You have 300 sq mi in NYC and you want to place a mosque exactly next to the place where one of the biggest tragedies in recent American history has happened. Really!? Religious freedom is well and good, but a mosque around ground zero is nothing but a slap in the face to many people. The sole connection of Islam with 9/11 is like pouring endless amounts of salt into an open wound. It's people thinking exactly like you that are causing this problem. It should not even be an issue. "exactly next to" Ground Zero: Really? Do you really know where it is? I doubt it. It is two blocks away from Ground Zero, but this is counting corner to corner, so it's more like 4-5 blocks. It has perhaps 5% the same amount of pedestrian traffic as Ground Zero gets. No one will see this "mosque" from Ground Zero, and no one will wander to it unless 1. They don't know where they're going 2. They're going to it purposefully. It is not a mosque. It is a community center, with shops and areas for sports. Only the top two floors are dedicated to prayer. Now there IS a place of Islamic prayer CLOSER to Ground Zero than this "mosque." It was built BEFORE the WTC, and no one gives a crap about it. Why? Because there's nothing to argue about! It's people like you, who don't know shit, but still create an uproar that are causing the problem. Now, If anyone has concrete arguments and would like to debate this civilly, I would gladly listen and consider. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On August 25 2010 10:31 VonLego wrote: One of the old ways of showing dominance of a conquered location was to build a mosque on it. It doesn't take much to see how the bad guys (who use Islam to fuel their fire) would get a kick out of a mosque at ground zero. Perhaps, but are we really going to consider the "bad guys'" feelings over the Islamic, good guys', community in NYC? Let's use another controversial thing as an example: abortion. Let's say radical Muslims think abortion is wrong (I actually have no idea). For someone supporting abortion in the United States, do you think the argument of "Well, if we ban abortion, then the bad guys would get a kick out of it; therefore, we shouldn't ban it!" Do you think that makes sense whatsoever? You are totally ignoring the normal Islamic population in NYC here, and only considering terrorists. Once again, I welcome intelligent debate. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On August 24 2010 10:34 GiantEnemyCrab wrote: On topic: some1 alrdy mentions it above but ya muslims build mosque in the place of victory when they conquer a place, it has been shown through history. america may be tolerance on the religions but there is a limit. Off topic: to most i will sound racist and all but muslim are suppost to be radical and too the dot with their intentions, if ur not a radical muslim ur not a muslim according to the koran... You said: You are not Muslim unless you are radical, because what is in the Koran constitutes as radical today. I rebut with: All the Christians who 1. Do not kill girls who have sex before marriage 2. allow women to be teachers are NOT Christian, because that's what the Bible says. Search it up. The world has moved on. These points can't be taken as they were made before. Unless, of course, you accept women cannot teach and girls who lose their virginity before marriage should die. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 25 2010 11:06 Karliath wrote: It's people thinking exactly like you that are causing this problem. It should not even be an issue. "exactly next to" Ground Zero: Really? Do you really know where it is? I doubt it. It is two blocks away from Ground Zero, but this is counting corner to corner, so it's more like 4-5 blocks. It has perhaps 5% the same amount of pedestrian traffic as Ground Zero gets. No one will see this "mosque" from Ground Zero, and no one will wander to it unless 1. They don't know where they're going 2. They're going to it purposefully. It is not a mosque. It is a community center, with shops and areas for sports. Only the top two floors are dedicated to prayer. Now there IS a place of Islamic prayer CLOSER to Ground Zero than this "mosque." It was built BEFORE the WTC, and no one gives a crap about it. Why? Because there's nothing to argue about! It's people like you, who don't know shit, but still create an uproar that are causing the problem. Now, If anyone has concrete arguments and would like to debate this civilly, I would gladly listen and consider. What is the name of the mosque closest to Ground Zero currently? I am aware of the Masjid Manhattan, it is 4 blocks away. EDIT: come on karliath, answer the question. or were you exaggerating? and yes, people will wander to it. it's one block from a subway stop. | ||
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mowglie
United States74 Posts
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
I'm sure that if it does get built Obama will be the one to blame. Just another topic the Republican party can use as ammunition during the next elections. Also it's sad that a majority of the U.S. is against the construction of the Mosque. Makes me sick that people still aren't allowed to have their freedom in this Country. 9/11 was a set-up, which makes this whole topic pointless. Unless you beleive everything you see in the media, and/or you're Republican. /rant My 2 cents =) | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 25 2010 11:53 IntoTheBush wrote: Didn't they mention them building a Mosque at Ground Zero a year or so ago? It didn't really seem to make major news then, but now it is? Honestly I have no problem with it considering Muslims weren't the ones to flew those planes into the Towers, and the Pentagon. Unfortunately the media casts a large shadow over the truth of 9/11. If the rest of the U.S. knew the truth behind the attacks we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I'm sure that if it does get built Obama will be the one to blame. Just another topic the Republican party can use as ammunition during the next elections. Also it's sad that a majority of the U.S. is against the construction of the Mosque. Makes me sick that people still aren't allowed to have their freedom in this Country. 9/11 was a set-up, which makes this whole topic pointless. Unless you beleive everything you see in the media, and/or you're Republican. /rant My 2 cents =) You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years | ||
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Malmatik
United States3 Posts
To tolerate those who in turn tolerate no one is a big mistake. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). -----As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness: United States — Muslim 1.0% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1%-2% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8% At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs: Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6% From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ). France — Muslim 8% Philippines — Muslim 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8% At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons). Guyana — Muslim 10% India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 10-15% After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7% From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70% After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96% 100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it...? Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 99.9% Of course, that’s not the case. fear mongering maybe but, there it is. | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
On August 25 2010 11:55 thesighter wrote: You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years yeah and there is no such thing as evolution. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 25 2010 12:00 IntoTheBush wrote: yeah and there is no such thing as evolution. 15,903 terror attacks done in the name of Islam since September 11, 2001. All across the world. The numbers speak for themselves. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 25 2010 11:55 thesighter wrote: You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years He's ignorant? Look at yourself first. On August 25 2010 12:10 thesighter wrote: 15,903 terror attacks done in the name of Islam since September 11, 2001. All across the world. The numbers speak for themselves. I know what they say, they say that some Islamic Extremists can't live in peace. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
Why am I ignorant? He thinks 9/11 is a setup. | ||
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor. Hahahahahaha. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor. Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes. Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones. ![[image loading]](http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/piechart2-1024x1024.jpg) Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database Here it is Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No! | ||
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
(I believe it was Hinduism may have been another religion that is obviously not japans primary relgion, saw some clip of him saying it a while ago will try to find it) | ||
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