On August 25 2010 11:53 IntoTheBush wrote: Didn't they mention them building a Mosque at Ground Zero a year or so ago? It didn't really seem to make major news then, but now it is? Honestly I have no problem with it considering Muslims weren't the ones to flew those planes into the Towers, and the Pentagon. Unfortunately the media casts a large shadow over the truth of 9/11. If the rest of the U.S. knew the truth behind the attacks we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I'm sure that if it does get built Obama will be the one to blame. Just another topic the Republican party can use as ammunition during the next elections. Also it's sad that a majority of the U.S. is against the construction of the Mosque. Makes me sick that people still aren't allowed to have their freedom in this Country. 9/11 was a set-up, which makes this whole topic pointless. Unless you beleive everything you see in the media, and/or you're Republican. /rant My 2 cents =)
You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years
yeah and there is no such thing as evolution.
15,903 terror attacks done in the name of Islam since September 11, 2001. All across the world. The numbers speak for themselves.
Think about this for one minute my friend. Lets say I'm in the Bloods and you're in the Crips. Ok, now some random shooting happens and a Crip gangmember dies. Of course the Bloods will take the glory if everyone is saying they did it. I think the Muslim extremists did the samething on 9/11. Why the hell not, especially when the United States CORRUPT media is saying they were the pilots. Use common sense bud
To deny a group from practicing their beliefs somewhere in our country is more damaging than having a mosque at ground zero IMO. I saw a great analogy on the Daily Show comparing this incident to what was presented in Michael Moore's movie, Bowling for Columbine. In the movie, Moore bashes the NRA for holding a convention near Columbine shortly after the school shooting. Basically the way I see it is, the mosque at ground zero is the right's version of Bowling for Columbine. It appeals to peoples' emotions instead of constitutional logic.
Would you rather your country do what the majority wants, or uphold a written constitution that guarantees the rights of both the majority and minorities?
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
On August 25 2010 12:22 Teogamer wrote: To deny a group from practicing their beliefs somewhere in our country is more damaging than having a mosque at ground zero IMO. I saw a great analogy on the Daily Show comparing this incident to what was presented in Michael Moore's movie, Bowling for Columbine. In the movie, Moore bashes the NRA for holding a convention near Columbine shortly after the school shooting. Basically the way I see it is, the mosque at ground zero is the right's version of Bowling for Columbine. It appeals to peoples' emotions instead of constitutional logic.
Would you rather your country do what the majority wants, or uphold a written constitution that guarantees the rights of both the majority and minorities?
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
You're just stating facts here, what is your opinion/point?
On August 25 2010 11:53 IntoTheBush wrote: Didn't they mention them building a Mosque at Ground Zero a year or so ago? It didn't really seem to make major news then, but now it is? Honestly I have no problem with it considering Muslims weren't the ones to flew those planes into the Towers, and the Pentagon. Unfortunately the media casts a large shadow over the truth of 9/11. If the rest of the U.S. knew the truth behind the attacks we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I'm sure that if it does get built Obama will be the one to blame. Just another topic the Republican party can use as ammunition during the next elections. Also it's sad that a majority of the U.S. is against the construction of the Mosque. Makes me sick that people still aren't allowed to have their freedom in this Country. 9/11 was a set-up, which makes this whole topic pointless. Unless you beleive everything you see in the media, and/or you're Republican. /rant My 2 cents =)
You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years
yeah and there is no such thing as evolution.
15,903 terror attacks done in the name of Islam since September 11, 2001. All across the world. The numbers speak for themselves.
Think about this for one minute my friend. Lets say I'm in the Bloods and you're in the Crips. Ok, now some random shooting happens and a Crip gangmember dies. Of course the Bloods will take the glory if everyone is saying they did it. I think the Muslim extremists did the samething on 9/11. Why the hell not, especially when the United States CORRUPT media is saying they were the pilots. Use common sense bud
I don't know what to say to this ... do you think the CIA funded 9/11 ?
On August 25 2010 12:22 Teogamer wrote: To deny a group from practicing their beliefs somewhere in our country is more damaging than having a mosque at ground zero IMO. I saw a great analogy on the Daily Show comparing this incident to what was presented in Michael Moore's movie, Bowling for Columbine. In the movie, Moore bashes the NRA for holding a convention near Columbine shortly after the school shooting. Basically the way I see it is, the mosque at ground zero is the right's version of Bowling for Columbine. It appeals to peoples' emotions instead of constitutional logic.
Would you rather your country do what the majority wants, or uphold a written constitution that guarantees the rights of both the majority and minorities?
Most people in NYC and the US don't want it built. Most people agree that the developers have the right to build it. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to build it. All that the developers have done so far is increase the average American's negative view of Islam and provide Republicans ammunition for the coming election.
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
On August 24 2010 01:57 251 wrote: go go keith olbermann
I'm not really a fan of olbermann's at all, but I loved this
Sorry to go back so far in the posts, but I think he covered the major difference here guys between the fact that they are able too build this. Lots of things in America happen by private entities that people don't like take a look around I'm sure you can find something. I can see both sides of the argument here especially to some of the folks whom have been impacted by this. But, I don't think blocking this thing from happening is a great idea.
On August 23 2010 23:22 Ixas wrote: It serves as a painful reminder of the past for those who are affected, its not about discrimination but more of respect for the victims.
Yeah because Mosque = terrorists? Seriously, anyone who uses this 'respect' angle is making that connection, and it's fucking disgusting. It's like Jon Stewart said, Islam is to terrorists, as KKK is to Christian Protestantism.
Complete and utter racism, generalisation, and FOX News propaganda following bullshit. I would be absolutely embarrassed to be an American in the midst of all of this. Besides, it's a pure distraction for the GOP to cover up the blockage of the early responders bill.
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
I mean... that would be pretty obvious, given that everyone is muslim eh?
Most terrorists in the world are Muslim. Terror attacks in Europe and the US are rare. Most terror attacks occur in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. I can't believe you're debating this.
On August 25 2010 11:58 Malmatik wrote: Hi here's my problem with Islam in general, if it makes me religious intolerant, well, I guess I can live with that.
To tolerate those who in turn tolerate no one is a big mistake. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. ...
I wouldn't say it makes you religiously intolerant, at least not arbitrarily. I think you see a pattern and that it concerns you.
There are other factors that can come into play, tho. The constitution of a nation and its overall ethnic/religious distribution in particular can play a large part.
A nation doesn't become dominantly made up of one group unless it is either already dominated by that group, it is conquered in a war, or it is on the receiving end of a massive migration. This rules out the latter part of your list for most Western nations.
The US Constitution protects against legislation along religious lines (tho we are still in the process of shucking off our Christian yoke), so I don't see allowing Muslims to legislate their own communities along Sharia law happening here. This negates the 10% mark of your progression.
I don't think food-service or food-availability will be a big issue. We already have plenty of 'kosher' foods and restaurants around the US, and yet the Jews haven't managed to dominate the culinary marketplace.
Hasn't there been significant legislation against Sharia law in the West already? The French law banning the full burqa or veil comes to mind.
Also, of the nations which suffer the largest 'backlash' from high Muslim populations, ruling out the areas which have been Muslim for the last thousand years or so, how many of them were previously suppressing the practice of Islam, either officially or socially?
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
I mean... that would be pretty obvious, given that everyone is muslim eh?
Most terrorists in the world are Muslim. Terror attacks in Europe and the US are rare. Most terror attacks occur in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. I can't believe you're debating this.
So again.... you're saying that in a muslim dominated country, the fact that MUSLIMS(who make up the majority of the country) are part of the terrorists means that Islam=Terrorism? Correlation does not mean Causality. That's like saying 100% of terrorist acts are commited by humans. Its true, but that's because everyone here is a human.
I'm not really a fan of olbermann's at all, but I loved this
Sorry to go back so far in the posts, but I think he covered the major difference here guys between the fact that they are able too build this. Lots of things in America happen by private entities that people don't like take a look around I'm sure you can find something. I can see both sides of the argument here especially to some of the folks whom have been impacted by this. But, I don't think blocking this thing from happening is a great idea.
Indeed, "some of the folks...have been impacted by this." Some of the folks who died on 9/11 happen to be Muslims. They were hurt that day, and they are hurt now.
This, again, can be related to Christian bombings. I am not arguing that the two attacks are on the same scale, but I don't think anyone would argue against putting a church in the area where a Christian bombing occurred. Instead, they'd probably talk about using the church to educate the people and spread peace and love for God.
On August 25 2010 11:53 IntoTheBush wrote: Didn't they mention them building a Mosque at Ground Zero a year or so ago? It didn't really seem to make major news then, but now it is? Honestly I have no problem with it considering Muslims weren't the ones to flew those planes into the Towers, and the Pentagon. Unfortunately the media casts a large shadow over the truth of 9/11. If the rest of the U.S. knew the truth behind the attacks we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I'm sure that if it does get built Obama will be the one to blame. Just another topic the Republican party can use as ammunition during the next elections. Also it's sad that a majority of the U.S. is against the construction of the Mosque. Makes me sick that people still aren't allowed to have their freedom in this Country. 9/11 was a set-up, which makes this whole topic pointless. Unless you beleive everything you see in the media, and/or you're Republican. /rant My 2 cents =)
You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years
He's ignorant? Look at yourself first.
Why am I ignorant? He thinks 9/11 is a setup.
Oh, 9/11 wasn't a set up. Can you tell me why Tower 7 had to be "pulled" after the other Towers fell? Don't tell me because of the fires, because there was an even more intense fire in Tower 7 during the 80s yet it didn't collapse on itself. I'd like to see the proof you have that 9/11 was 100% funded, and carried out by Al Queda. Also wheres the remains of the planes at the Pentagon, and Pennsylvania? Osama's family was flown out of the United States immediately after the attacks when ALL flights were grounded. Nothing suspicious about any of that I guess.
You can PM me ur proof since this isn't a topic about 9/11. If you provide evidence I have no problem saying you're right. Until then you should be a little less naive.
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
I mean... that would be pretty obvious, given that everyone is muslim eh?
Most terrorists in the world are Muslim. Terror attacks in Europe and the US are rare. Most terror attacks occur in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. I can't believe you're debating this.
So again.... you're saying that in a muslim dominated country, the fact that MUSLIMS(who make up the majority of the country) are part of the terrorists means that Islam=Terrorism? Correlation does not mean Causality. That's like saying 100% of terrorist acts are commited by humans. Its true, but that's because everyone here is a human.
No. Islamic terror occurs primarily in third world nations where Muslims are a non-negligible minority or majority. In those countries, Muslim extremists commit a disproportionate number of the terror attacks, and cause harm toward the rest of the population.
Muslim minority countries plagued by Islamic terror: India, Russia, Philippines, Thailand. Muslim majority countries plagued by Islamic terror: too many to list
On August 25 2010 11:53 IntoTheBush wrote: Didn't they mention them building a Mosque at Ground Zero a year or so ago? It didn't really seem to make major news then, but now it is? Honestly I have no problem with it considering Muslims weren't the ones to flew those planes into the Towers, and the Pentagon. Unfortunately the media casts a large shadow over the truth of 9/11. If the rest of the U.S. knew the truth behind the attacks we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I'm sure that if it does get built Obama will be the one to blame. Just another topic the Republican party can use as ammunition during the next elections. Also it's sad that a majority of the U.S. is against the construction of the Mosque. Makes me sick that people still aren't allowed to have their freedom in this Country. 9/11 was a set-up, which makes this whole topic pointless. Unless you beleive everything you see in the media, and/or you're Republican. /rant My 2 cents =)
You're ignorant. thereligionofpeace.com - list of attacks done in the name of Islam over the past 10 years
He's ignorant? Look at yourself first.
Why am I ignorant? He thinks 9/11 is a setup.
Oh, 9/11 wasn't a set up. Can you tell me why Tower 7 had to be "pulled" after the other Towers fell? Don't tell me because of the fires, because there was an even more intense fire in Tower 7 during the 80s yet it didn't collapse on itself. I'd like to see the proof you have that 9/11 was 100% funded, and carried out by Al Queda. Also wheres the remains of the planes at the Pentagon, and Pennsylvania? Osama's family was flown out of the United States immediately after the attacks when ALL flights were grounded. Nothing suspicious about any of that I guess.
You can PM me ur proof since this isn't a topic about 9/11. If you provide evidence I have no problem saying you're right. Until then you should be a little less naive.
On August 25 2010 11:58 Malmatik wrote: Hi here's my problem with Islam in general, if it makes me religious intolerant, well, I guess I can live with that.
To tolerate those who in turn tolerate no one is a big mistake. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). -----As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1%-2% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France — Muslim 8% Philippines — Muslim 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10% India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it...?
Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 99.9% Of course, that’s not the case.
fear mongering maybe but, there it is.
The same can be said for any immigrant population. I'd also recommend reading up on french history if you think rioting is a muslim thing and not a french thing.
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor.
Hahaha that's even less controversial. Hinduism is less related to the actions of pearl harbor than Islam is to the actions of 9/11. Still doesn't mean they derive from Islam, merely means it was distorted and used for terrorist's own purposes.
Good article to read here. Keep in mind Islamic Extremist acts get ALOT more attention than other acts. Look at this FBI study(reported in CNN), more acts by Extreme left wing groups and Jewish Extremists than islamic ones.
Does this mean We should be careful of jews, or that Latinos are evil and should be forbidden from speaking spanish(extreme...but example remains true). No!
Most terrorist attacks in the world are done in the name of Islam. These attacks don't occur regularly in the US. There are daily attacks in nearly all countries with a sizable Muslim minority. Thailand is a good example.
I mean... that would be pretty obvious, given that everyone is muslim eh?
Most terrorists in the world are Muslim. Terror attacks in Europe and the US are rare. Most terror attacks occur in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. I can't believe you're debating this.
So again.... you're saying that in a muslim dominated country, the fact that MUSLIMS(who make up the majority of the country) are part of the terrorists means that Islam=Terrorism? Correlation does not mean Causality. That's like saying 100% of terrorist acts are commited by humans. Its true, but that's because everyone here is a human.
No. Islamic terror occurs primarily in third world nations where Muslims are a non-negligible minority or majority. In those countries, Muslim extremists commit a disproportionate number of the terror attacks, and cause harm toward the rest of the population.
Muslim minority countries plagued by Islamic terror: India, Russia, Philippines, Thailand. Muslim majority countries plagued by Islamic terror: too many to list
Indias an exeception as the forming of that was directly correlated with Pakistan(as they split off). They are basically at war with each other and I would say are more government related terrorist groups than Religious "Holy War" ones.
For Muslim Majority countries I would assume your bringing up Afghanistan and Iraq right? I think that's more inner-Islamic civil fighting (aka Shiite-Sunni conflicts) that have only been dramaticized ever since the US's invasion of each respective country. Instability+invasion=Not good. That doesn't count as an example.
Phillipenes... don't know if they are actually that big of a Islamic threat lol. Really? In the middle of an Ocean? Sources please. Not saying your wrong, just like to see some sources.
Sources also for Thailand And Russia. I can see thailand, Russia I plainly don't know enough. PM me just some links and I'll be very grateful.
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