EPTA group of extremist Muslims brought down the two Twin towers and killed thousands. So let's celebrate them by building a religious temple right on top of that soiled dirt. In world war 2. Did they put a statue of a Kamikaze fighter at pearl harbor, or a what about at Hiroshima? This idea of a mosque on ground zero is repulsive.
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chip789
Canada199 Posts
A group of extremist Muslims brought down the two Twin towers and killed thousands. So let's celebrate them by building a religious temple right on top of that soiled dirt. In world war 2. Did they put a statue of a Kamikaze fighter at pearl harbor, or a what about at Hiroshima? This idea of a mosque on ground zero is repulsive. | ||
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SteakhouseXT
United States32 Posts
I, myself, believe that the Al Qeada simply use Islam as a mask to build momentum against the U.S. There are already mosque's in new york. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15673 Posts
On August 25 2010 14:34 chip789 wrote: If you look at Sudan or any Muslim controlled governments, no other religions are allowed to be preached or taught on grounds of death. Yet here in America, they must have their democratic rights? A group of extremist Muslims brought down the two Twin towers and killed thousands. So let's celebrate them by building a religious temple right on top of that soiled dirt. In world war 2. Did they put a statue of a Kamikaze fighter at pearl harbor, or a what about at Hiroshima? This idea of a mosque on ground zero is repulsive. No one is celebrating anything. You make it sound like they are building a Mosque directly on top of where the twin towers used to stand O_o | ||
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Uriel_SVK
Slovakia427 Posts
On August 25 2010 14:34 chip789 wrote: If you look at Sudan or any Muslim controlled governments, no other religions are allowed to be preached or taught on grounds of death. Where you got that from? There is christianity in Sudan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Sudan | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27147 Posts
On August 25 2010 14:04 Karliath wrote: I must ask, what is with stuff like this: jonusb2 August 25 2010 13:47. Posts 3 PM Profile Quote # --- Nuked --- I hope this isn't one of those taboo avatar topics we can't talk about, but 1. Did his post get "nuked" by an admin, and his avatar changed? 2. Did he write "nuked" knowing that he would get the avatar? 3. Something else? Oddly enough, It always seems to happen to people with less than 5 posts. It was the first post with someone else. Also, there's the "locked" avatar too. Anyways. I missed the link  It was an ad bot. -_- He got nuked to erase his advertisement. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27147 Posts
On August 25 2010 15:23 Uriel_SVK wrote: Where you got that from? There is christianity in Sudan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Sudan Wouldn't want to be one right now though =/ On August 25 2010 14:34 chip789 wrote: If you look at Sudan or any Muslim controlled governments, no other religions are allowed to be preached or taught on grounds of death. Yet here in America, they must have their democratic rights? A group of extremist Muslims brought down the two Twin towers and killed thousands. So let's celebrate them by building a religious temple right on top of that soiled dirt. In world war 2. Did they put a statue of a Kamikaze fighter at pearl harbor, or a what about at Hiroshima? This idea of a mosque on ground zero is repulsive. Might want to read about what led to the formation of your great country before you throw the foundation of your entire civilization under a bus. Unless of course you like the idea that America and Sudan are on a level playing field. If so, grab the machete! And they aren't building it " right on top of that soiled dirt." (no idea wtf you are even talking about, soiled dirt?) It is blocks away. There is another mosque a block away. Stop chewing on sound bites please. | ||
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Galois
United States124 Posts
Somewhere right now evil people are planning evil things. All of us will do everything meaningful, everything we can do to prevent it. But each horrible act can't become an axe for opportunists to cleave the very bill of rights that binds us. America must stop this predictable pattern of reaction, when an isolated terrible event occurs, our phones ring demanding that the Muslims explain the inexplicable. Why us? Because their story needs a villain. They want us to play the heavy in their drama of packaged grief. To provide riveting programming to run between commercials for cars and cat food. The dirty secret of this day and age is that political gain and media ratings all too often bloom on fresh graves. I remember a better day when no one dared politicize or profiteer on drama. We kept a respectful distance then, as the Muslims have tried to do now. Simply being silent is so often the right thing to do. But today carnage comes with a catchy title, splashy graphics, regular promos, and a reactionary passage of legislation. Reporters perch like vultures on the balconies of hotels for a hundred miles around. Cameras jockey for shocking angles, as news anchors race to drench their microphones with the tears of victims. Injury, shock, grief and despair shouldn't be brought to you by sponsors. That's pornography. It trivializes the tragedy it abuses. It abuses vulnerable people, and maybe worst of all, it makes the unspeakable seem commonplace. We are often cast as the villain. That is not our role in American society, and we will not be forced to play it." + Show Spoiler + -Charlton Heston, when he brought the NRA to Denver several weeks after the Columbine massacre... except with Muslim instead of NRA and the 1st amendment instead of the second. http://www.coastalga.com/military/Heston.htm | ||
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warrior6
Canada18 Posts
On August 25 2010 14:34 chip789 wrote: If you look at Sudan or any Muslim controlled governments, no other religions are allowed to be preached or taught on grounds of death. Yet here in America, they must have their democratic rights? A group of extremist Muslims brought down the two Twin towers and killed thousands. So let's celebrate them by building a religious temple right on top of that soiled dirt. In world war 2. Did they put a statue of a Kamikaze fighter at pearl harbor, or a what about at Hiroshima? This idea of a mosque on ground zero is repulsive. the difference those countries call themselves theocracies or are ruled by autocratic rulers and government systems. is america the same? dont people leave those countries for a reason? doesn't america promise freedom of religion? yes here in america, they must have full democratic rights. a group of muslim extremists thats right...a small group of extremists, one who muslims are also fighting alongside americans in many cases. and one who many muslims were fighting even when the United States was unofficially funding them (the taliban). the mosque is being built 2 blocks away...not where the world trade centres stood what does extreme nationalism/fascism/racism of imperial japan have to do with modern muslims living in the united states and abroad. if muslims were anywhere near as bad as you claim they are, you'd have a world population of a billion people who would be hostile and actively fighting america...you'd have a much bigger problem than 19 people hijacking airplanes. but its not that way because the extremely vast majority of those people are sensible enough and intelligent enough to not side with them. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
so far all of the arguments against the mosque/cultural centre was based on the false assumption that all followers of islam should bear responsibility for the 9/11 attack. which i strongly agree. part of the issue here is really self imposed by the American public which succumbed to racism and associated all muslims with extremists and terrorism. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On August 25 2010 12:14 snorlax wrote: Newt Gingrich said it best, (Paraphrase) Its like building a Hindu temple at pearl harbor. Hahaha | ||
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Deyster
Jordan579 Posts
1. Al-Qaeda is a terrorist group, they terrorize everyone including the Muslims (Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sharm_el-Sheikh_attacks and http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3928441,00.html ). They attack Muslims and Islamic countries, we suffer the acts of those terrorists as much as others do, if not more considered how the west feels towards us. Those terrorist groups use Islam as a tool for recruitment. Their acts are not Islamic, killing innocents it not what Islam is about. They just exploit those who can't distinguish right from wrong at whatever costs. 2.Most Islamic countries people mentioned are already unstable like a lot of other countries that are not Islamic. Sudan have had wars since forever plus Al-Qaeda, Yemen is infiltrated by Al-Qaeda, Iraq was stable before the US invasion, Afghanistan has always been a mess since the War against Soviets if not even before, Somalia is unstable country just like any other random African country....etc. It's not Islam that causes the instability, it's that people seek power, and to get the manpower for forming their forces, they need to recruit, and they use Islam as a way to recruit people into their troops cause for them it's the cheapest way. Either way, what bother me is that it's always okay for any religion to build religious buildings or wear religious figures, but it's always the things related to Islam that cause a fuss in the media. I as a Muslim somehow feel this is some sort of religious discrimination, why is building a mosque such a big issue? Why is wearing Hijab (not burqaa, there's huge difference) is an issue? | ||
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kinray
Bulgaria49 Posts
If you can say: "Hey all the Islams are terrorist because of 9/11", than what about any non-catholic saying: "All catholics are pedophiles because some priests do it"? If you think your religion is supreme in some way over some other religion than i pity you. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On August 25 2010 14:34 chip789 wrote: If you look at Sudan or any Muslim controlled governments, no other religions are allowed to be preached or taught on grounds of death. Yet here in America, they must have their democratic rights? A group of extremist Muslims brought down the two Twin towers and killed thousands. So let's celebrate them by building a religious temple right on top of that soiled dirt. In world war 2. Did they put a statue of a Kamikaze fighter at pearl harbor, or a what about at Hiroshima? This idea of a mosque on ground zero is repulsive. Wow. You want to hold the USA to the same standards as those countries? Where's your "American Exceptionalism"? If the USA wants to spread it's ideals around the world, it has to uphold them first and show leadership. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
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Galois
United States124 Posts
On August 25 2010 21:50 GreEny K wrote: I dont have a problem with it... All I know is that if there is another mosque close to the site than there is no reason to make another one... This is a Google Maps picture of down the street from where I used to live. ![[image loading]](http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5425/38523765.png) + Show Spoiler + you're a fucking moron User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On August 24 2010 01:35 Alou wrote: Ground Zero was because of extremists. Not Muslims. Muslims had nothing to do with it. People need to realize that Muslims are not the reason for what happened. The only reason this is an issue really is because various candidates (and lol Fox "news") were losing and realized they could use this to secure votes of all the ignorant people in the country. Let them build it, because they have the right to just like everyone else. And all these things about another church being denied to rebuild. Yeah, makes sense. Let's deny someone else their rights because ours were taken away. That'll make more people happy. Sorry that church wasn't allowed to rebuild, it should have been, but denying other people the right to build theirs because of it is stupid. Man, this is appeasement at its best. Chamberlain would've made you secretary of state. As for this mosque, I couldn't care less. Let them build whatever and wherever they want, as long as it's applicable to the constitution. But I'm honestly scared about the future, because this seems the way most people in our generation tend to think. What if it would really come to the infamous clash? I guess you'd be still sitting there, cheering for every new mosque built and every new muslim entering the country. I wouldn't, because there are times you can't just do what pleases everybody the most. And if I look at the list of military confrontations, within the last 20 years it were almost exclusively Islamic countries involved, either attacking or being attacked. Whereas after WW2, there were also many conflicts, while there were almost no Islamic countries involved, or no countries with a siginificant Islamic population. Now you may think, I'd like the idea of just erasing middle east, but I don't. I'd rather have it the way everbody could live in peace and in their own respective world. Stop trying to force democracy on people who can't and won't do shit with it, because they work differently. But also stop trying to implement Islam in working democracies and treat it like it'd be equivalent to the Christian church, whether protestantic or catholic. All of them made adjustments and they accepted their place in society, where they don't have big influence anymore. Now go tell all those muslims who live in Europe or the US, and most of them live a pretty regular life there, 9-5 job, kids, no trouble. Tell them to stop practicing Islam because it's a backward way of life, and this is fact, I hope nobody tries arguing that lol. At least here in Europe practicing Christians get strange looks and they're the vast minority of all people. I guess you in the US will also get there sooner or later. And they keep it to theirselves, they mostly don't even try to indoctrinate their children. One could say, Christianity is a choice in Europe, as it should be. Could you really say that about Islam, whether it be in the US, Europe or even in the widely Islamic populated countries of the world? | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:24 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Man, this is appeasement at its best. Chamberlain would've made you secretary of state. As for this mosque, I couldn't care less. Let them build whatever and wherever they want, as long as it's applicable to the constitution. But I'm honestly scared about the future, because this seems the way most people in our generation tend to think. What if it would really come to the infamous clash? I guess you'd be still sitting there, cheering for every new mosque built and every new muslim entering the country. I wouldn't, because there are times you can't just do what pleases everybody the most. And if I look at the list of military confrontations, within the last 20 years it were almost exclusively Islamic countries involved, either attacking or being attacked. Whereas after WW2, there were also many conflicts, while there were almost no Islamic countries involved, or no countries with a siginificant Islamic population. Now you may think, I'd like the idea of just erasing middle east, but I don't. I'd rather have it the way everbody could live in peace and in their own respective world. Stop trying to force democracy on people who can't and won't do shit with it, because they work differently. But also stop trying to implement Islam in working democracies and treat it like it'd be equivalent to the Christian church, whether protestantic or catholic. All of them made adjustments and they accepted their place in society, where they don't have big influence anymore. Now go tell all those muslims who live in Europe or the US, and most of them live a pretty regular life there, 9-5 job, kids, no trouble. Tell them to stop practicing Islam because it's a backward way of life, and this is fact, I hope nobody tries arguing that lol. At least here in Europe practicing Christians get strange looks and they're the vast minority of all people. I guess you in the US will also get there sooner or later. And they keep it to theirselves, they mostly don't even try to indoctrinate their children. One could say, Christianity is a choice in Europe, as it should be. Could you really say that about Islam, whether it be in the US, Europe or even in the widely Islamic populated countries of the world? Ok. What do you suggest? War? I'm not signing up for it nor am I willing to pay for it. Are you? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:24 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Man, this is appeasement at its best. Chamberlain would've made you secretary of state. As for this mosque, I couldn't care less. Let them build whatever and wherever they want, as long as it's applicable to the constitution. But I'm honestly scared about the future, because this seems the way most people in our generation tend to think. Yes yes, those crazy people, writing rules and ADHERING TO THEM?!? LAWDY! And what the hell are you talking about, only Muslims have been involved in military conflicts over the past 20 years. | ||
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