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On December 05 2010 08:41 rackdude wrote:
In the US you cannot just throw out the constitution. The government might be corrupt in many ways, but no one would dare to challenge the constitution, only interpretations of the constitution.
"Cruel and unusual punishment" and "due process", meet waterboarding, black camps, and Guantanamo Bay.
The Constitution of the United States has been contorted in so many ways in recent years that what is now important is solely the interpretation. And interpretation goes down ideological lines.
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i doubt this will be anything big or important, because he mentioned it kinda by the way. I think if there was serious talk about aliens (for majority of people ufo=aliens) he would have advertised it more because aliens bring the most attention of all things.
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On December 05 2010 10:07 Half wrote:Show nested quote +There are reports of Wikileaks-related blogs being removed from Blogger (a Google service). http://twitter.com/mikkohypponenMikko is the head of one of the biggest Internet Security Software companies F-secure. Hes got 10,000 followers and an extremely knowledgeable and well informed fellow. Land of the Free my ass. Maybe you could hide behind the lies that "Wikileaks is endangering lives, which is why it is being censored", but random google blogs from supporters? That's straight out of the CPC playbook. I think its clear that free speech only applies here if we're regurgitating television news pundits.
I saw some posts about Blogger taking down Wikileaks-related blogs. After looking closer, turns out they were all about one blogger. #rumour
about 1 hour ago via web
anyway
this isnt directly about lives, this is about security of information. and some people here are undervaluing the importance of keeping confidential information confidential. this isnt free information; this is data that if you find it and disclose it its called espionage. the thing is that wikileaks is not of the united states (or really any country), US laws dont apply to them, but once wikileaks released diplomatic secrets (which is some of the juicy stuff) they shouldve known the US would come after them in anyway possible
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On December 05 2010 18:50 ondik wrote:i doubt this will be anything big or important, because he mentioned it kinda by the way. I think if there was serious talk about aliens (for majority of people ufo=aliens) he would have advertised it more because aliens bring the most attention of all things.
Yeah, he said it so offhand, in fact he literally said he often gets questions about UFO's from 'weirdos', so I sincerely doubt the cables say 'aliens exist'.
UFO standing for unidentified flying object of course. Not spaceship.
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GENEVA — WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange turned increasingly to Switzerland on Sunday, dodging a barrage of threats online and in the real world to keep access to a trove of U.S. State Department cables under a Swiss Web address.
The elusive founder of the website WikiLeaks said he faced "hundreds of death threats." The site hinged on the Swiss Pirate Party's wikileaks.ch Web address, though the main server in France went offline, leaving the site reachable through a Swedish server.
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Looks like this Assange will be in jail soon. Almost funny what the european gvts would do to please the US. I hope that 1m in got in donation earlier will get him a good lawyer cuz really that case is such BS... Honestly i hope he ends up in Cuba or somewhere they can't extradite him and sets up his website there. This reminds me of the oppression a communist country would apply on their political dissidents/journalists how ironic.
Honestly they going at this all wrong, Even if they shut down Wikileaks there's already ppl talking about taking it's place. Short of shutting down the internet or censor it like the chinese you better start living by strong ethics cuz one day it'll get out in the open.
And as i said before even if they kill him he already is planning the move after releasing the bank stuff 
Julian Assange: Arrest Looks Imminent
Apparently, the delay in Assange's apprehension stems from the fact that the original warrant listed only the maximum penalty for the most serious crime alleged (in this case, rape), rather than for all of the crimes (which include sexual molestation and unlawful coercion). Assuming the new warrant fulfills the letter of the law, Soca will then be legally obliged to authorize the police to arrest Julian Assange. [...]
But Assange remains combative. Several British newspapers on Sunday reported Assange as warning that he has already distributed an encrypted "poison pill" to fellow hackers of damaging secrets, thought to include details on BP and Guantanamo Bay. He believes that this file is his "insurance" in case he is killed, arrested or WikiLeaks is removed permanently from the Internet.
Source: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/05/julian-assange-arrest-looks-imminent/
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On December 05 2010 22:09 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 18:50 ondik wrote:i doubt this will be anything big or important, because he mentioned it kinda by the way. I think if there was serious talk about aliens (for majority of people ufo=aliens) he would have advertised it more because aliens bring the most attention of all things. Yeah, he said it so offhand, in fact he literally said he often gets questions about UFO's from 'weirdos', so I sincerely doubt the cables say 'aliens exist'. UFO standing for unidentified flying object of course. Not spaceship. I don't know. I get the feeling that after he leaks those UFO info. We'll start seeing some ETs in the media claiming Assange raped one of theirs too. Or had "consensual sex without condom", which equals rape only in the Andromeda Galaxy and in Sweden.
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I'm surprised if Wikileaks goes down it could just go underground like Torrent etc.? You could never shut that down unless you shut down the internet all over the world and screw yourself in the process.
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Latest Wikileak tweet
"Sarah Palin says Julian should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden--so he should be safe for at least a decade."
http://twitter.com/wikileaks
Also, just a funny after-fact..
I was looking to verify this ass accurate by searching google news to see what other reliable news sources documented this, and to what was their sources.. etc etc..
i typed in "sarah palin ju.." and google filled in Justin Beiber..
*facepalm
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"In Sweden it's quite bizarre though, because the chief prosecutor, the director of public prosecution in Sweden dropped the entire case against him, saying there was absolutely nothing for him to face, back in September. And then, a few weeks ago, after the intervention of a Swedish politician, a new prosecutor, not in Stockholm, where Julian and these women had been, but in Gothenburg, began a new case, which of course has resulted in these warrants and of course the Interpol red notice being put out across this week.
It does seem to be a political stunt, I mean, I have, and his Swedish lawyer, have been trying to get in touch with the prosecutors since August. Now, usually, it's the prosecutor who does the pursuing, not the pursued. And in this particular case, Julian Assange has tried to vindicate himself, has tried to meet with the prosecutors, to have his good name restored."
He remarked that "A warrant was issued on Thursday by reports. We've asked for it. We've been ignored at this point," adding that "He's only wanted for interview, why not have that interview by consent, rather than this show trial?"
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(Reuters) - Democratic measures to extend tax cuts for most Americans failed in the Senate on Saturday as Republicans -- and some Democrats -- blocked them because they did not also extend low rates for the wealthy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B31NN20101205
I think this is a pretty shitty indicator of where we are headed as a country.. If you know anything about the economy / economics you know that the middle class is the backbone of the economy.
13 Trillion in debt, a vote to increase the taxes for incomes above $250,000 (the top 2% of Americans) would have generated 7 billion dollars.
economists complain because "our debt is an issue of nation security", yet they also understand the middle class is the backbone of our economy, and EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN voted against this..
its okay, just take it from education
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On December 06 2010 13:19 LaLLsc2 wrote:(Reuters) - Democratic measures to extend tax cuts for most Americans failed in the Senate on Saturday as Republicans -- and some Democrats -- blocked them because they did not also extend low rates for the wealthy. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B31NN20101205I think this is a pretty shitty indicator of where we are headed as a country.. If you know anything about the economy / economics you know that the middle class is the backbone of the economy. 13 Trillion in debt, a vote to increase the taxes for incomes above $250,000 (the top 2% of Americans) would have generated 7 billion dollars. economists complain because "our debt is an issue of nation security", yet they also understand the middle class is the backbone of our economy, and EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN voted against this.. its okay, just take it from education
wat does this have to do with wikileaks?
anyway, political stunt or not, i think that assange's message/wikileaks type sites will continue to spread even if he becomes incarcerated. he's developed such a large following and the recent increase in his publicity will only attract more supporters to his cause imo.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11882092
Has release of Wikileaks documents cost lives?
After this latest release a Pentagon official, who wished to remain anonymous due to the sensitive nature of the material involved, told the McClatchy newspaper group that even three months later the US military still had no evidence that people had died or been harmed because of information gleaned from Wikileaks documents.
Daniel Ellsberg, the former military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers which detailed government lies and cover-ups in the Vietnam War, is sceptical of whether the government really believes that lives are at stake.
He told the BBC's World Today programme that US officials made that same argument every time there was a potentially embarrassing leak.
"The best justification they can find for secrecy is that lives are at stake. Actually, lives are at stake as a result of the silences and lies which a lot of these leaks reveal," he said.
"The same charges were made against the Pentagon Papers and turned out to be quite invalid."
You know, I'm really starting to develop an appreciation for BBC. I guess one positive effect of this release is it helped show which News agencys displayed at least some degree of critical thought, and which ones were entirely in the pockets of U.S. politics.
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On December 05 2010 15:47 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 08:41 rackdude wrote:
In the US you cannot just throw out the constitution. The government might be corrupt in many ways, but no one would dare to challenge the constitution, only interpretations of the constitution. "Cruel and unusual punishment" and "due process", meet waterboarding, black camps, and Guantanamo Bay. The Constitution of the United States has been contorted in so many ways in recent years that what is now important is solely the interpretation. And interpretation goes down ideological lines.
Constitutional rights only apply to citizens of the United States.
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On December 06 2010 16:02 Hikko wrote:]
Constitutional rights only apply to citizens of the United States.
Absolutely not. It applies to the government of the United States, not the citizenry, with the exception of voting rights and a few other obvious rules that explicitly mention citizenship as a perquisite.
The reason for this is, likewise, obvious: to prevent the government from simply stripping away citizenship from citizens whenever the government felt like violating the Constitution.
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On December 06 2010 16:39 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 16:02 Hikko wrote:]
Constitutional rights only apply to citizens of the United States.
Absolutely not. It applies to the government of the United States, not the citizenry, with the exception of voting rights and a few other obvious rules. The reason for this is, likewise, obvious: to prevent the government from simply stripping away citizenship from citizens whenever the government felt like violating the Constitution.
Er, try again.
-edit- oops misread
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I do not know if it was posted already, but that "rape", that is Assange investigated for was actually consensual sex without using condom. Looks like it is considered as rape in sweden and they could put him in jail for 2 years.
Anyone else is finding it funny that interpol is hunting a man because he did not use protection?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/sweden-assange-sex-without-condom/
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wikileaks = cia operation
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On December 06 2010 12:30 LaLLsc2 wrote:Latest Wikileak tweet "Sarah Palin says Julian should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden--so he should be safe for at least a decade." http://twitter.com/wikileaksAlso, just a funny after-fact.. I was looking to verify this ass accurate by searching google news to see what other reliable news sources documented this, and to what was their sources.. etc etc.. i typed in "sarah palin ju.." and google filled in Justin Beiber.. *facepalm
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/120210-sarah-palin-target-wikileaks-assange.html?hpg1=bn
What a tool she is. Hunting down journalists like terrorist ? Sounds like the US is pretty scared of what could be released in the future. I will laugh if she actually presents herself as presidential candidate. And if she wins, i bet she'll be worse then Bush.
On December 06 2010 19:19 Uriel_SVK wrote:I do not know if it was posted already, but that "rape", that is Assange investigated for was actually consensual sex without using condom. Looks like it is considered as rape in sweden and they could put him in jail for 2 years. Anyone else is finding it funny that interpol is hunting a man because he did not use protection? http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/sweden-assange-sex-without-condom/
Ya it's fucking pathetic. However i don't think the fact of not using a condom makes it a rape. Allegedly at one point she asked him to stop and he didn't. However she never became violent or anything. Basically imo she's full of sh*t.
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