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Julian Assange is leading the NYTimes' person of the year award. Keep voting!
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2028734_2028733,00.html
rank name rating votes
1 Julian Assange 89 204821
2 Recep Tayyip Erdogan 83 207100
3 Lady Gaga 74 130968
4 Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert 83 67142
5 Glenn Beck 32 72336
6 Barack Obama 60 21524
7 Steve Jobs 64 19418
8 The Chilean Miners 50 21181
9 The Unemployed American 68 15471
10 Sarah Palin 32 23518
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*reads last couple of pages of thread*
*spits*
Fucking cowards. They'll do anything to get him, whether it's a bullshit rape case or just cutting every line of support he has. Usually I'm apathetic about basically everything, but the unrepentant baying for blood and the desperate scrambling to hold on to the monopoly on information makes me fucking sick.
Enjoy this quote from a comments page of the guardian;
The importance of these documents may not be in their content as sensational revelation, but merely in the fact that there is now proof of what was known … There is the revelation in minutiae of a shadow world, inhabited by the powerful who take it upon themselves to play the game of life for us.
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Yeah, you got beaten to the punch by Blomsterjohn though.
Wikileaks is up to 500+ mirrors. Clearly the government shutdown is working. 
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Don't know if this has been posted;
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/11/29/wikileaks_yemen_revelations/
One of the most interesting items in the trove of diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks confirms that the Obama Administration has secretly launched missile attacks on suspected terrorists in Yemen, strikes that have reportedly killed dozens of civilians.
The Dec. 17 Abyan attack killed 55 people, 41 one of whom were civilians, including 21 children.
Attacks that were described by Amnesty as 'at the very least unlawful' and 'grossly irresponsible'.
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Neutrality being thrown away, the people in power getting struck off balance and showing their faces. That , if not worse, on par with osama, saddam and others they condemn looking good in our eyes. The internet now going for complete goverment supervision and control in the free western world plans gonna accelerate, its time to make a ruckus.
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Was getting on just to say this.
I was right on board with this guy till he leaked that, it's like he went from trying to impose transparency to just being spiteful. This is bad news for a lot of people.
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Don't fall for it, the document is severly edited to remove what the actual sites are named and mentioned only as per their subject coal factory in france, it dosent say 'coal factory 'Coalers Haven' at Greenlane 34, france'.
If terrorist can't figure out good sites to actualy hit, they aint doing research.
Remember, today the founding fathers(and people who could be like them) "would have been"/are labeled terrorists by the US in the madness hunt.
If wikileaks decides to leak more things they have thats potentialy harmfull ? Can we blame them. I don't think we can, the us have already shown a mask of anger among the ruling cast for being outed(Ron paul said it extremly well O_O) and acting like simple men and women 'kill the guy! put a price on his head' avoiding the questions raised by calling the source a terrorist trying to cover their shit.
Is it wise to release things that has no real value to the public, like this list to? Seeing as documents are prescanned by newsagencies and journalist to deem whats good to cover the free press somewhere apparently tought so. This list will serve more of the purpose of turning people against the leaks because its easy for the politicans to now blind us with 'what an outrage this list is', turning the people from being sympathetic to felling leaks are bad, playing right into the hands of the politicans and enabling them to raise barriers and further enhance control of the population now that 'wikileaks were actually bad all the time'.
With this in mind, wikileaks should know this, its easy to see a mile away, yet they released this list to the press and the web. A document that will give politicans more power and seen as truthtellers from the start and just "missunderstood". A little dirt(the diplomat convos) that will sully the rep by no much and then wham this that turns the public opinion away enabling politicans/goverment worldwide to further restrict the web because 'we dont want things like wikileaks to treaten our sweet soil or our allies again do we?' with the blessing of the majority of the people thinking its for the better.
Sadly it makes me think the conspiracy theories "There'll be a planned 9/11 for the internet to establish control" and "wikileaks, realy a us sponsored op to establish control?". If wikileaks founder julian is suddenly found to have lost his mind and acting this irrationaly and potentialy being found 'less then the internet population tought' then we the internet population will have a hard time arguing for 'unrestricted internet' as well as a hard time beliving in a 'hero/saviour' again(Its just gonna be another assange trying to make himself look all powerfull).
I sure hope this is not how this will play out, I do hope wikileaks is actually an advocate and eye opener for a more free and open world.
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Wikileaks Bank account has been shut down.
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What a shame, if these leaks didn't happen our government could keep lying to us. Can always count on our country to fight against people who expose the truth.
fuckers
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Wow, I got a little teary eyed when I saw that. I was waiting when the rest of the free information computer guru's I've known my whole life would take that cause and make it impossible to repress wikileaks.
Congratulations to everyone who isn't letting fear keep them from doing what they know it right!
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Has anybody downloaded the WikiLeaks cables yet? I've been trying but to no avail. Honestly i'm a little split on the subject. I don't know if the leaks are going to endanger lives but at the same time i would like to know the TRUTH of what is happening it would be a shame for this to be like Vietnam. ( Taken from Ron Paul Vietnam)
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On December 07 2010 05:02 Proto_Protoss wrote:
Has anybody downloaded the WikiLeaks cables yet? I've been trying but to no avail. Honestly i'm a little split on the subject. I don't know if the leaks are going to endanger lives but at the same time i would like to know the TRUTH of what is happening it would be a shame for this to be like Vietnam. ( Taken from Ron Paul Vietnam)
There are plenty of mirrors now and each mirror will link you to a torrent containing whatever files that mirror is currently delivering.
This torrent ought link you to the latest release that I'm aware of, which is 926 cables:
http://www.privetbank.com.ua/cablegate/cablegate-201012061424.7z.torrent
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On December 07 2010 05:02 Proto_Protoss wrote:
Has anybody downloaded the WikiLeaks cables yet? I've been trying but to no avail. Honestly i'm a little split on the subject. I don't know if the leaks are going to endanger lives but at the same time i would like to know the TRUTH of what is happening it would be a shame for this to be like Vietnam. ( Taken from Ron Paul Vietnam)
You mean the Insurance file? I downloaded that, but it's encrypted, it's just an insurance (hence the name) that might something happen to JA or WL atleast the information will be known to the world.
If you mean the information on the site, well, just read it?
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Russian Federation410 Posts
The main problem with this is not the cables or mildly sensitive informations they contain. It's the daily or even hourly reminder to people that they are being misled and lied to by a whole range of their own local and international officials on a regular basis on very important matters, which, if put on a public deciding vote, would not only polarize the electorate but also generate an entirely different resolution, i.e. more peaceful or friendly, more humanly diplomatic.
Every hour the cables are on that site and are being written about by media is another hour of missing public ear during any future public issue, initiated or presented by the government and those officials responsible, let alone a possible shift in public's opinion on certain important matters, such as wars, global and national security, let alone the government's ability to secure it's own operations.
And the best thing about this is the torrent effect. If they kill or harm that Assange guy, three more websites with 500 mirrors each will popup, doing exactly the same, buying sensitive information and releasing it, and when those get taken down there will be 10 more and so on.
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On December 07 2010 05:02 Proto_Protoss wrote:
I don't know if the leaks are going to endanger lives
Maybe lives are endangerd but just watch the high number of civil casualties never revealed to the public. How can we judge and improve things we know nothing about.
Secret bombings in Yemen, killercommandos in Afghanistan and so on.
How many people have allready died for doing nothing wrong but being born in the wrong country?
If public protest will change something in this case the leaks might save lives instead of endangering them.
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On December 07 2010 04:54 AttackZerg wrote:Wow, I got a little teary eyed when I saw that. I was waiting when the rest of the free information computer guru's I've known my whole life would take that cause and make it impossible to repress wikileaks. Congratulations to everyone who isn't letting fear keep them from doing what they know it right!
I would like to express my thanks to anyone who hasn't acted like a 5 year old and thought mirroring would make you cool as you would be sticking it to the man. Seriously, plenty of what wikileaks has made public is great work and was defintely needed. But what is the justification of publishing stuff like:
-- Karzai has "demonstrated that he will dissemble when it suits his needs" and "appears not to understand the level of our knowledge of his activities."
-- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is compared to Hitler.
-- German Chancellor Merkel -- who is slated to receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom from Obama next year -- is "risk averse and rarely creative," says one diplomat.
-- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has become a mouthpiece for Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, following "lavish gifts" given to Berlusconi.
-- Russian President Dmitry Medvedev -- with whom Obama signed an arms cut deal now pending in the U.S. Senate -- "plays Robin to Putin's Batman."
-- French President Nicolas Sarkozy is "an emperor with no clothes.
SOURCE: http://www.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/11/obamas-team-faces-sensitive-diplomacy-over-wikileaks/1
Can anyone come up with a good argument as to why private communiques like those should EVER be released? There is a reason why the oath of silence was invented in the first place and the international cooperation depends on a trust in the diplomatic system - which releasing stuff like this undermines. I've said it before, how comfortable would you be talking to a doctor about a healthproblem if a guy like your beloved Assange published medical journals because "It's the truth about people!!!!"?
Uncovering warcrimes etc. is great and I can only support that, but Assange has taken this a step further and his cause can't be morally supported any longer (at least I can't see how, but please feel free to share some light).
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Russian Federation410 Posts
Can anyone come up with a good argument as to why private communiques like those should EVER be released? There is a reason why the oath of silence was invented in the first place and the international cooperation depends on a trust in the diplomatic system - which releasing stuff like this undermines. I've said it before, how comfortable would you be talking to a doctor about a healthproblem if a guy like your beloved Assange published medical journals because "It's the truth about people!!!!"?
Uncovering warcrimes etc. is great and I can only support that, but Assange has taken this a step further and his cause can't be morally supported any longer (at least I can't see how, but please feel free to share some light).
Because any competent voter's ultimate goal is get into the head of his candidate of choice, to see the next 4-6-8 years through his eyes, to analyze what's coming with his brain, applying his judgement. These leaks really cracked up their skulls, and it really isn't looking that good.
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