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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 06 2010 14:59 GMT
#921
Just downloaded some of the documents. Rough pictures from Tibet protests aswell. Makes me sad.


"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 06 2010 16:20 GMT
#922
On December 06 2010 20:11 Nizaris wrote:
Ya it's fucking pathetic. However i don't think the fact of not using a condom makes it a rape. Allegedly at one point she asked him to stop and he didn't. However she never became violent or anything. Basically imo she's full of sh*t.


The allegations by the two women actually make Assange sound more like James Bond then a Bond villain. He basically sleep with two women 4 days apart from one another and when they found this out confronted him and asked him to take a STD test which he refused. Sounds a bit scummy but I don't get hot 20-something Swedish chicks thrown at me all the time.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
December 06 2010 16:41 GMT
#923
On December 06 2010 23:59 Grettin wrote:
Just downloaded some of the documents. Rough pictures from Tibet protests aswell. Makes me sad.




linkz0r?
Uriel_SVK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 16:55:28
December 06 2010 16:55 GMT
#924
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/7bg5kc

So much for Swiss neutrality. Swiss Postfinance bank just froze Assagnes account. Looks like you have to be swiss resident to be allowed to have an account there. And they just found out Assagne is actually "homeless refugee attempting to gain residency in Switzerland" who used his lawyers address for bank corespondence...
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 16:58:56
December 06 2010 16:55 GMT
#925
He was offered asylum in Ecuador, I wonder if he'll take them up on it. Part of me wants to see him get arrested and martyred, because the response from supporters is going to lead to many, many more wikileaks-type sites popping up.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5728614/Wikileaks__insurance__file
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
December 06 2010 17:01 GMT
#926
Switzerland just froze his bank account there. Now both PayPal and a swiss bank has stole his money:
The Swiss post office bank, PostFinance, has frozen the accounts of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

"(Mr) Assange cannot provide proof of residence in Switzerland and thus does not meet the criteria for a customer relationship with PostFinance. For this reason, PostFinance is entitled to close his account."

For its part, Wikileaks says it and Mr Assange have lost 100,000 euros in assets in a week.

"Late last week, the internet payment giant PayPal, froze 60,000 euros of donations to the German charity the Wau Holland Foundation, which were targeted to promote the sharing of knowledge via Wikileaks," Wikileaks said in a statement.

- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11929034

On December 06 2010 20:11 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:19 Uriel_SVK wrote:
I do not know if it was posted already, but that "rape", that is Assange investigated for was actually consensual sex without using condom. Looks like it is considered as rape in sweden and they could put him in jail for 2 years.
Anyone else is finding it funny that interpol is hunting a man because he did not use protection?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/sweden-assange-sex-without-condom/


Ya it's fucking pathetic. However i don't think the fact of not using a condom makes it a rape. Allegedly at one point she asked him to stop and he didn't. However she never became violent or anything. Basically imo she's full of sh*t.
Where did you read that "allegedly she asked to stop and he didn't"? The only official information I've found is that they made consensual sex without condom. More details than that seems hard to find as the sweden prosecutors are trying to hide details.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 06 2010 17:07 GMT
#927
On December 07 2010 02:01 VIB wrote:
Switzerland just froze his bank account there. Now both PayPal and a swiss bank has stole his money:


Paypal, Amazon, and a few other internet companies have been pressured by the US to stop any support of wikileaks. Continued hosting is going to be through net neutrality groups and personal mirrors most likely. Twitter has refused to acknowledge them as the most talked about new subject on their website as well.

On December 07 2010 02:01 VIB wrote:
Where did you read that "allegedly she asked to stop and he didn't"? The only official information I've found is that they made consensual sex without condom. More details than that seems hard to find as the sweden prosecutors are trying to hide details.


Well, we know the women who pressed charges didn't seem to mind going out to the grocery and making them breakfast the morning after. I don't think that night was particularly tragic for her...

Both women have claimed they're withholding information crucial to the prosecution.
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway472 Posts
December 06 2010 17:09 GMT
#928
He was offered asylum in Ecuador, I wonder if he'll take them up on it.


Sadly, they "retracted" it like the day after

"While there was some confusion in the media flowing out of Quito yesterday, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa has clarified that his country has not invited WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange to Ecuador," the statement said.

In Ecuador, Correa said that his country has not made a formal invitation to Assange and that the ministry declaration, made by Deputy Foreign Minister Kintto Lucas, was "spontaneous" and personal in nature.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 06 2010 17:16 GMT
#929
Well that sucks.

It seems wikileaks has managed to anger the entirety of the first world + their puppet governments. Good to know that something is actually happening though.
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
December 06 2010 17:18 GMT
#930
On December 07 2010 02:16 Offhand wrote:
Well that sucks.

It seems wikileaks has managed to anger the entirety of the first world + their puppet governments. Good to know that something is actually happening though.


What is happening?
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 06 2010 17:25 GMT
#931
Political fallout between the US and a number of nations, mostly. Saudi Arabia is upset it can't privately coax the US into attacking Iran. The UK is coming to the realization that the Tories want to be a de facto 51st state of the US. NK/China relations deteriorating as a result of China's admittance to playing both sides of the issue. We aren't passing any kind of laws to make the US or other nations more transparent, but that's not the point.

The release of the leaks is having it's desired effect. Making secret, underhanded dealings public shuts down many lines of communication for secret, underhanded affairs. This gives good organizations and good intentions the ability to compete with bad ones because now they're on a more equal footing (both sides can't hide anything, in the case of good intentions, there's nothing to hide).
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway472 Posts
December 06 2010 17:25 GMT
#932
Well, if this is legit in the same sense as when they pumped moot up the time's ranking it might be

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(arg how do i not make it fucked)
oHInsane
Profile Joined February 2005
France727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 17:27:48
December 06 2010 17:26 GMT
#933
A short but interesting story about Wikileaks in France.

Our minister of the industry Eric Besson (right wing-ist) has spoken to the french media and has publicaly asked for wikileaks to be closed in France. He has legitimated this by arguing that it's dangerous for the "sources" of the information published in WikiLeaks. So he has launched some investigation to find a way to get the site closed.

This morning I've just received an email from "Octave", the manager of OVH, the leader of the web hosting in France that is quite funny. I translate it for you:

"Good morning
As you should know, the wikileaks website has been hosted on our hosting service since yesterday. This hosting service has been ordered by a customer who has bought a dedicated server with special security devices.
He has bought it for 150 euros and he's now hosting the wikileaks website.
According to the law, OVH is not the host of the website, we're just the technical provider of the solution for our customer.

Shortly, it's a common story in the web-hosting business. The process is fully automated et works 24/24, you buy a server and we deliver it, that's it. This morning we've just discovered that we were hosting this website ... by reading the national newspaper.

OVH is not promoting or against this website. The question is out of our sight, it's not our business to judge that. Our job is just to make sure that the server is operational.

According to what our politicians are saying, and some pressure we are currently feeling, we should close this site. But we have decided to let the justice give his decision. It's not our business, and not the business of the politician to judje if a website should be closed or not, it's the justice job when we live in a democratic and fair country."


I so agree with what he says... I know it's a little but out of the subject but it emphasizes quite well the will to control anything by the politicians it's disgusting.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 06 2010 17:30 GMT
#934
Constant governmental pressure on major hosting companies will get net nuetrality people all over this. Wikileaks won't be going away, even if Assange and all the original people are removed from the picture.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
December 06 2010 17:40 GMT
#935
Hundreds of WikiLeaks Mirror Sites Appear
The battle lines between supporters of the whistle-blowing Web site WikiLeaks and its detractors began to form on Sunday, as supporters erected numerous copies of the site on the Internet and the United States put pressure on Switzerland not to offer a haven to the site’s founder, Julian Assange.

- http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/world/europe/06wiki.html?_r=1&hp

Look at this list of mirrors. It's huge:
http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html Try and take that down ;p
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
December 06 2010 17:46 GMT
#936
where can I find neutral point of view and analysis of this story?
Most of the government media is kind of denounce his action. But before believing those media, I would like to know why Julian Assange is doing this? what does he get?
ZooG
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden618 Posts
December 06 2010 17:48 GMT
#937
As far as i know its not rape when you ignore protection here in Sweden...
The charges against him is just bogus and shitthrowing imo
"Rain, also a name for a meteorological condition" -Artosis
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
December 06 2010 17:54 GMT
#938
On December 07 2010 02:46 pedduck wrote:
where can I find neutral point of view and analysis of this story?
Most of the government media is kind of denounce his action. But before believing those media, I would like to know why Julian Assange is doing this? what does he get?
Just look for multiple news sources. If you search for wikileaks on google news, you find news from all kinds of different media sites. Many for, many against. It's always nice to read both sides:
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=wikileaks
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 06 2010 17:55 GMT
#939
On December 07 2010 02:48 ZooG wrote:
As far as i know its not rape when you ignore protection here in Sweden...
The charges against him is just bogus and shitthrowing imo


About 100k worth of Assange's personal money has been frozen in the paypal account for his defense fund and his personal Swiss bank account. I'm pretty sure stealing someone's money to hinder their own defense is a major human rights violation. But hey, it doesn't count if we don't like the guy.

There goes 200 years of Swiss neutrality.
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
December 06 2010 18:00 GMT
#940
On December 07 2010 01:55 Offhand wrote:
He was offered asylum in Ecuador, I wonder if he'll take them up on it. Part of me wants to see him get arrested and martyred, because the response from supporters is going to lead to many, many more wikileaks-type sites popping up.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5728614/Wikileaks__insurance__file


The offer of asylum was rescinded, presumably because the US ambassador went round to the president's mansion and gave out orders and explained what they'd do to Ecuador if they let Assange in.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-01/world/ecuador.wikileaks.assange_1_wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-quito?_s=PM:WORLD
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