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Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 21:50:35
December 03 2010 21:50 GMT
#861
The best thing about this is The Pirate Bay effect. Even if they manage to do away with the website completely and shut up Assange, five new websites will be up by the end of the week and so on.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 03 2010 21:59 GMT
#862
The UK sees recent Russian foreign policy actions as a “continuum” in Moscow’s goal to maintain influence in its near abroad and to deter western influence, especially NATO enlargement. The UK therefore reads the military action in Georgia as part of a pattern - exemplified by recent Russian policy on CFE, Missile Defense and other multilateral initiatives - in implementation of the same strategy. Davenport views the tactics employed by Moscow in that regard as “hit and miss,” leading to an opportunistic approach, as opposed to a coordinated planning process in the Kremlin. He cites Russia’s recognition of South Ossetian and Abkhazian independence as “tactical ad-hocery” which many in Moscow might now regret given the lack of support for recognition even from Russia’s close friends.


Looking ahead, Davenport predicts Russia will use all available levers to pursue its goals. It will prefer employing political, economic, social and intelligence methods and resources, but Georgia has shown that military means are part of the Kremlin’s tactical lexicon. The FCO paper will therefore identify areas of “joint advantage” to focus UK and multilateral cooperation with Russia, particularly in the energy and commercial sectors. According to Davenport, the UK proposes a “hard-headed, robust when necessary,” engagement with Russia, coordinated among NATO and EU allies, to include dialogue and cooperation where possible so as not to isolate Moscow. Davenport noted that FM Miliband has invited Russian FM Lavrov to visit London at a mutually convenient time.


As examples of this more “resilient” approach, Davenport cites the need for deeper transatlantic engagement with former Soviet states to support their European aspirations without challenging Russia; a coherent NATO policy towards Georgia and Ukraine to advance Bucharest Summit goals; and a more comprehensive European energy policy, to include alternate sources, improved efficiency, and supply diversity as means of countering Russian influence.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
December 03 2010 22:00 GMT
#863
On December 04 2010 02:07 ZerglingSoup wrote:

These leaks are a low blow to the U.S. government. They do nothing more than to hurt other countries' trust in it. It's an indiscriminate attack on what he sees as a source of evil.


When that trust was misplaced in the first place, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Proof by Legislation: An entire body of (sort-of) elected officials is more correct than all of the known laws of physics, math and science as a whole. -Scott McIntyre
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
December 03 2010 22:40 GMT
#864
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/12/03/f-wikileaks-business-fraud.html

The obvious lesson, he said, is for firms to follow a code of ethics and have a hotline that whistle-blowing employees can use with confidence that management will deal with problems.

Too Busy to Troll!
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
December 04 2010 00:40 GMT
#865
Yet more fallout from the cables. Obama's attempt to improve US-Russia relations after Bush's hardline stance may have been for naught. President Medvedev muses on the possibility of an "arms race."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034670,00.html

So who exactly did it benefit for the public to know what US diplomats actually think about Russia?
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
December 04 2010 00:42 GMT
#866
On December 04 2010 07:40 Half wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/12/03/f-wikileaks-business-fraud.html

Show nested quote +
The obvious lesson, he said, is for firms to follow a code of ethics and have a hotline that whistle-blowing employees can use with confidence that management will deal with problems.


Public companies are already required to have that.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
December 04 2010 00:48 GMT
#867
"However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs."
- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-wikileaks?CMP=twt_gu

Haha, awesome XD
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 01:08:41
December 04 2010 01:03 GMT
#868
On December 04 2010 09:40 domovoi wrote:
Yet more fallout from the cables. Obama's attempt to improve US-Russia relations after Bush's hardline stance may have been for naught. President Medvedev muses on the possibility of an "arms race."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034670,00.html

So who exactly did it benefit for the public to know what US diplomats actually think about Russia?

I have heard Mr. Medvedev speak these words. He was very clear in saying that he has no interest in pursuing an arms race and sees cooperation in missile defense as a higher priority. He made it clear that an arms race may happen only if cooperation isn't possible and the United States continue to station missiles near Russia's border. I'm saying this purely out of memory, but I think this is his position. (I watched his entire speech).

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"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
fofa2000
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
December 04 2010 01:05 GMT
#869
There isn't anything new inside, only confirmed what everyone else knew...
-smells likes tasty soup, what's the menu?-fresh jaedong style marine stew served with a glass of dragoon slush!-The food's any good?Quite unusual names, never heard-all my food's good, the kitchen's this way-btw whatu terarn doing alone in a zerg colony?
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 04 2010 01:35 GMT
#870
On December 04 2010 10:05 fofa2000 wrote:
There isn't anything new inside, only confirmed what everyone else knew...


That's not the point, because no one gets angry over seeing corrupt government in action anymore.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 04 2010 07:22 GMT
#871
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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
December 04 2010 13:16 GMT
#872
Now paypal, too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11917891

Way to go "democratic" governments with "freedom of information".
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
December 04 2010 13:44 GMT
#873
http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1182&Itemid=78

Some article claiming the guy hacks in video games but I don't see how it is creditable
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
December 04 2010 14:35 GMT
#874

First, a US spy inside a right-wing German political party gets fired:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,732579,00.html

Then the Pakistani Army promises not to depose the civilian government again:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/04/pakistan-army-supports-government-wikileaks

That's two good, concrete, examples of the cable leaks making the world a better place, right there, in contrast to the hypothetical worries about people being endangered or diplomats not being able to do anything, or World War 3 breaking out.
Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 04 2010 14:54 GMT
#875
Score one for freedom of information.
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 15:10:05
December 04 2010 15:08 GMT
#876
Powerful individuals and groups have always controlled the media to maintain power and avoid scrutiny. Wiki links is a threat to this status quote which is why some people in positions of authority are calling for blood. Keeping the general masses to busy to criticize their government and leaders was the main reason the Romans held gladiator events. Today isn't really all that different just the methods have changed. Traditional news sources were easy to control and often historically in league with one political party, group, or agenda wikilinks is not and has it's own agenda what that is I don't know.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 17:49:53
December 04 2010 17:43 GMT
#877
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jx1uiNG-hNJyczRwMdcSpq8Mg8HA?docId=73c84f98281f4298bb3addb335a35878

Could WikiLeaks survive without Julian Assange?

....

Whatever happens to Wikileaks, the anti-secrecy cat may be out of the bag. Schmitt, the former WikiLeaks spokesman, has said he wants to set up a rival secret-spilling site, and others may follow.

"I think the basic concept has a future," said Steven Aftergood, who works on government secrecy policy for the Federation of American Scientists. "Anonymous disclosure of restricted records is easier than it has ever been. The virtues of transparency and government accountability are more widely recognized than they have ever been. Those two factors together provide a foundation for this kind of activity.

"They can't think, 'This is an opponent we need to defeat,'" he said. "They have to think about how they are going to deal with it."




http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/swedens-reputation-is-on-trial-in-julian-assange-case/story-e6frfhqf-1225965772832


Sweden's reputation is on trial in Julian Assange case

.....
Statements by the two female “victims” Sophia Wilen and Anna Ardin that there was no fear or violence would stop a rape charge in any western country dead in its tracks.

Rape is a crime of violence.

Both women boasted of their of their respective celebrity conquests on internet posts and mobile phones texts after the intimacy they would now see him destroyed for.

Ardin hosted a party in Assange’s honour at her flat after the ‘crime’ and tweeted to her followers that she was with the “the world's coolest smartest people, it's amazing!”

Ardin has sought unsuccessfully to delete these and thereby destroy evidence of Assange’s innocence She has published on the internet a guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends.

Their sms texts to each other show a plan to contact the Swedish newspaper Expressen before hand in order to maximise the damage to Assange.
.....


Make no mistake: It is not Julian Assange that is on trial here but Sweden and its reputation as a modern and model country with rules of law.

.....

Too Busy to Troll!
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 04 2010 18:44 GMT
#878
On December 04 2010 22:16 Keniji wrote:
Now paypal, too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11917891

Way to go "democratic" governments with "freedom of information".

Wow, US-based websites withdrawing support for Wikileaks? I think it's safe to say no one saw that coming!

PS. US government, please try to be less obvious. I get that you want to destroy the guy, why can't you do it the old-fashioned way? You know, just send in a squad to whack his ass.
Proto_Protoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States495 Posts
December 04 2010 18:46 GMT
#879
Oh no Wikileaks got shut down i wanted to read the leaks too :/
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up everytime we do." - Confucius
Wuffey
Profile Joined May 2010
252 Posts
December 04 2010 18:59 GMT
#880
Free speech has a number: http://88.80.13.160

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