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On December 03 2010 07:39 Ghostcom wrote:
Leaking diplomatic letters aren't good. That's bad, no matter how you try to cut it. Revealing crimes (of war) is a great thing, but a parallel to leaking diplomatic letters would be if everyones medical journals were made public... Stop praising this man, he has done the world a great deal of harm and he should NOT be rewarded for it.
If you think US diplomats are good guys who deserve privacy, how do you square that with the cable designated 09STATE80163? It's an order to dozens of embassies explicitly instructing Reporting Officers (ordinary civilian diplomatic staff, not spies) to go fetch all sorts of information from a plethora of United Nations Officials, for use by the intelligence services. Some of it is normal low-grade intelligence - the 'Views of member states' and so forth. But they're also asking for 'Plans and intentions of key UN leaders' or 'Biographic and biometric information' on many different flavours of United Nations officials.
Biographical information is defined as:
names, position titles and other
information on business cards; numbers of telephones, cell
phones, pagers and faxes; compendia of contact information,
such as telephone directories (in compact disc or electronic
format if available) and e-mail listings; internet and
intranet "handles", internet e-mail addresses, web site
identification-URLs; credit card account numbers; frequent
flyer account numbers; work schedules, and other relevant
biographical information.
Biometric information isn't defined, but generally it means any biological information that can be used to uniquely identify someone.
Can you tell me what legitimate use the United States intelligence services could possibly have for surreptitiously getting the credit card details or DNA or fingerprints (or whatever constitutes 'biometric information') of the Russian delegation to the UN, or the United Nations Secretary general, and why the embassy staff who are collecting this stuff should be treated any differently from spies?
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Team America, Internet Police.
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Seriously I know it violates privacy but the US Goverment does not deserve it anyways, they are the ones that spit on everything. Official they want to be the nice guys, infact their not! Again Anti-Americanism is only created by that fucked up hypocratic world-order Goverment!
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I also find it ironic that the US always says it holds a higher moral ground yet they are doing the exact same thing the Government of China would do/is doing right now.
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To be fair, China IP-blocks stuff like this, and does it to far more topics that are far less "embarrassing". Similar in concept, but very, very different in scale.
That said, America's really reaching for it, following the example of the Chinese is extremely low. And, quite honestly, embarrassing for a country "superior" to Western Europe.
Wikileaks IP address: http://213.251.145.96/
Kinda want to donate to Wikileaks, now 
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On December 03 2010 18:13 acker wrote:
That said, America's really reaching for it, following the example of the Chinese is extremely low.
Hear hear.
Disgusting.
But then they're (you're) in a bit of a pickle. Either the U.S. has to stop breaking international law / running a war with heavy casualties and lying to the everyone about the count, and in general stop getting on those leaking the information's nerves (and give them less to leak in the first place) - not going to happen - or they have to catch the leakers or they have to go after WikiLeaks - despite the fact that by all accounts I've read WikiLeaks isn't the one breaking any laws here. Oh wait, I forgot the fourth option - try and defame and bury the head of the organisation. Currently ongoing.
Btw, has a hacker group taken credit for the DDOS, or does the US have zombie computers now?
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Does the US realize that attacking him, will only make every rebel in the world join his cause.
I mean david and goliath is time tested favorite for a reason, 99% of the world are the little people.
Think about how many hundred thousand places that every file is hidden and copied.
I just imagine that being a non-american, anti-american computer guru just got a lot more popular.
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This is so sick. My friend works for WikiLeaks ^_^
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On December 03 2010 18:40 AttackZerg wrote:
Think about how many hundred thousand places that every file is hidden and copied.
Do you know about the so-called insurance file? 1.4gb file that anyone can download from WikiLeaks. Encrypted, but should anything happen to WikiLeaks/Assange many bet the key will be released pretty quick. The U.S. has to be careful..
.. unless they've already cracked it (thought impossible) and decided it's worth it I suppose.
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On December 03 2010 18:57 Almania wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 18:40 AttackZerg wrote:
Think about how many hundred thousand places that every file is hidden and copied. Do you know about the so-called insurance file? 1.4gb file that anyone can download from WikiLeaks. Encrypted, but should anything happen to WikiLeaks/Assange many bet the key will be released pretty quick. The U.S. has to be careful.. .. unless they've already cracked it (thought impossible) and decided it's worth it I suppose.
yeah I knew about it but .... at this point he has proven that us diplomats were spies, proven completly that the iraq's suffer abuses similar to the afghani's under the soviets, proven we respect no international law, lie about war numbers, lie and backstab our allies, and can even manage our internal networks or maintain loyalty within our military.
He can't do that much more ...... can he?
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Yikes, when you put it like that.. I'm frankly surprised that Assange hasn't disappeared already - despite the blowbacks it'd cause.
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On December 03 2010 19:57 Almania wrote:
Yikes, when you put it like that.. I'm frankly surprised that Assange hasn't disappeared already - despite the blowbacks it'd cause.
it wouldn't help much he has insurance policies all over the world. I'm sure if he's taken out the bank data will still come out.
US government deserves no privacy nor trust.
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Wikileaks officially moved to Switzerland according to their twitter feed:
www.wikileaks.ch
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Julian Assange answers questions from around the world:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-wikileaks?CMP=twt_gu
Interestingly, he says they hosted wikileaks on Amazon to test if it and its area truly support free speech. Results speak for themselves.
EDIT: I would just like to edit this post to express how much of a fucking hero I think Assange is. He is literally the protagonist in 90% of the political thriller films you've ever seen. Julian Assange fighting.
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On December 04 2010 00:23 snotboogie wrote:
EDIT: I would just like to edit this post to express how much of a fucking hero I think Assange is. He is literally the protagonist in 90% of the political thriller films you've ever seen. Julian Assange fighting. Don't you think his ego is going a liiiittle bit up his head? He is surely making this a bit too much about himself and his image. But personally I cannot decide if that's good or bad. On one hand, it sounds correct that the focus should be on the group and on the leaks, not on that one guy. But on the other hand, that's what the public wants to see, and it gives them more publicity and consequently funding. To have this image of a "hero".
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On December 04 2010 01:23 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:23 snotboogie wrote:
EDIT: I would just like to edit this post to express how much of a fucking hero I think Assange is. He is literally the protagonist in 90% of the political thriller films you've ever seen. Julian Assange fighting. Don't you think his ego is going a liiiittle bit up his head? He is surely making this a bit too much about himself and his image. But personally I cannot decide if that's good or bad. On one hand, it sounds correct that the focus should be on the group and on the leaks, not on that one guy. But on the other hand, that's what the public wants to see, and it gives them more publicity and consequently funding. To have this image of a "hero".
Well this is what he had to say today about the hero thing. from an Online Q&A Session for the guardian:
Julian Assange:
This is an interesting question. I originally tried hard for the organisation to have no face, because I wanted egos to play no part in our activities. This followed the tradition of the French anonymous pure mathematians, who wrote under the collective allonym, "The Bourbaki". However this quickly led to tremendous distracting curiosity about who and random individuals claiming to represent us. In the end, someone must be responsible to the public and only a leadership that is willing to be publicly courageous can genuinely suggest that sources take risks for the greater good. In that process, I have become the lightening rod. I get undue attacks on every aspect of my life, but then I also get undue credit as some kind of balancing force.
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On December 03 2010 18:01 rAize- wrote:
Seriously I know it violates privacy but the US Goverment does not deserve it anyways, they are the ones that spit on everything. Official they want to be the nice guys, infact their not! Again Anti-Americanism is only created by that fucked up hypocratic world-order Goverment!
Bingo. According to Assange, this is how he views the situation. If you are on board with his philosophy, you are on board with this.
These leaks are a low blow to the U.S. government. They do nothing more than to hurt other countries' trust in it. It's an indiscriminate attack on what he sees as a source of evil.
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"The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable Gate archive is in the hands of multiple news organisations. History will win. The world will be elevated to a better place. Will we survive? That depends on you."
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