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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:36 kzn wrote: Getting rid of Hussein, fun, he actually did support terrorists even if not necessarily the "right" ones. the USA sponsored way more terrorist programs than Saddam. using this excuse to remove Saddam is just the pot calling the kettle black. especially when Saddam was once a puppet of the USA. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:14 dybydx wrote: the USA sponsored way more terrorist programs than Saddam. using this excuse to remove Saddam is just the pot calling the kettle black. especially when Saddam was once a puppet of the USA. Nobody cares about guerilla warfare tactics. The very fact that the US is being attacked by terrorists establishes all the justification needed there. Your point? | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:47 kzn wrote: Nobody cares about guerilla warfare tactics. The very fact that the US is being attacked by terrorists establishes all the justification needed there. Your point? i've heard some accusations that Saddam had ties with various underground groups. but if you are referring to the Sep 11, 2001 attack on USA, then i have no idea what you are talking about. AFAIK, Saddam had no participation in the 9/11 attack nor was he a sponsor of Bin Laden or Al Qaeda. besides, the USA funded Al Qaeda anyways..... so why not arrest those very same Americans who were in fact responsible behind 9/11. | ||
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:36 kzn wrote: If the empire adapts then "all empires fall" is a patently untrue statement. Getting rid of Hussein, fun, he actually did support terrorists even if not necessarily the "right" ones. Not if it adapted. lol @ hussein point. saddam was a united states strategic asset in the middle east back when at the height of his power, he was using chemical weapons and 100,000s of troops against iran....using american and european economic and military aid. he gassed kurds and shook hands with US officials. he only became a problem when he tried to take kuwait. that was a big no no because kuwait had lots and lots of oil just like iraq and had a coast. the US could not allow that to happen...so they went in, fucked up iraq's army and economy and left saddam in power for another 10 years because they could still use him to keep iran in check and keep the lid on those crazy iran loving shiite majority that saddam had beaten into submission. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
agreed. the US wasnt taking down Saddam for any other reason than benefiting themselves, just like how they supported Saddam in the first place. | ||
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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renzy
Canada781 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
in regards to your comment, I live in Canada too. AFAIK, Canada has made significant security contributions to the world stage in its peacekeeping mission. where as the USA has been delinquent in contributing its fair share of fees to pay the on going peace mission. Also the USA is the largest seller of weapons, some of these weapons were later used in acts which are questionable or outright immoral. In fact, USA sold weapons to Saddam-era Iraq and Israel, apparently both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict. | ||
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
On July 21 2010 14:51 renzy wrote: I'm going to speak as a fair Canadian citizen who is not engulfed with nationalism. I do not think Canadians should be criticizing the U.S. for the things they've done, because of the benefits that we are receiving from neighboring the U.S. The only reason that we are not paying alot more taxes than we should be, if the U.S. was not our neighbor, is because we are dependent on the military might of our superpower neighbor. U.S. spends trillions of dollars on their military, while Canadians spend very, very little. Why? We have the U.S. as our support. Due to this minimal military budget, Canadians are able to enjoy a great lifestyle with both relatively low taxes, and an aspect of democratic socialism which provides Universal Healthcare to everyone. So, to all the Canadians that are criticizing the U.S. for the "shits" they've done, please think about the benefits that they are bringing us next time we start bashing the U.S. I appreciate the call for awareness and gratefulness for what we do have. We are truly lucky in a sense, but so is every being on earth for SOMETHING. Our relationship with America is purely diplomatic. They have hands in our pockets as well. There's no need to be bowing to international policy. We fought for this. I'll fight everyday but it has to be the right fight! I think it's righteous to scrutinize war mongering. I think that most of the modern spending on wars has been anything but beneficial to the human state, imo its all big business affairs. It's not really about being a "great" nation. Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Why? Now they're pushing for Iran. Haven't these proven to be lies and failures yet the ball keeps rolling. All it takes is being somewhat content with our condition and we become complacent with our politicians. If you disagree educate me I need it. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:36 kzn wrote: Getting rid of Hussein, fun, he actually did support terrorists even if not necessarily the "right" ones. No he didnt. He actually was an asshole dictator who terrorized and killed his own population with poison gas and secret police and such and who sent a few hundred thousands of them to die in a pointless war on behalf of the USA after Iran threw out the Shah. If you are so sure about the terrorists Saddam supported then name the groups ... and please dont make it AlQaeda, because that is proven to have been a lie by George W. Bush. The CIA supported so many dictatorial regimes since its founding that you might argue that the USA is a bigger supporter of terrorism than any dictator ever was. So it is a good thing Saddam is gone, but the reasons given were wrong ... AND the US Army did so many irreversible things there that I can;t say if it was good or bad that he was removed. - "Oh, a bunch of sand dunes? Lets build a parking lot and dont mind the fact that its the archaeological ruins of old Babylon you are destroying there." Source - Did you ever wonder where the song On ebay got its inspiration from? From the fact that the US Army rather secured destroyed water and power control than the unique cultural heritage in the museums in Baghdad. As a result looters broke into the museums and sold the unique pieces on ebay. It is this ignorance which makes the US Army a bad world police ... because they destroy a lot in the process of "saving a populace". | ||
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buKe
Canada168 Posts
every govt has their own personal agendas and we the people are not in their priorities. and WHEN THE FUCK will you people stop misquoting ahmadinejad? he never said "wipe out israel" holy fuck, talking about getting baited into media propaganda. ahmadinejad is a powerless idiot, he doesnt run iran and ur fooling urself if u think he does. "The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom. Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner." Ahmadinejad "says explicitly that he does not want to annihilate Israel," | ||
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Ahseyo
Sweden80 Posts
*Waits for trolls to arrive* User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On July 21 2010 16:17 buKe wrote: so when will people understand that there is no good side or bad side in this whole pre-ww3 dilemma every govt has their own personal agendas and we the people are not in their priorities. and WHEN THE FUCK will you people stop misquoting ahmadinejad? he never said "wipe out israel" holy fuck, talking about getting baited into media propaganda. ahmadinejad is a powerless idiot, he doesnt run iran and ur fooling urself if u think he does. "The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom. Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner." Ahmadinejad "says explicitly that he does not want to annihilate Israel," imo, all those reporters for FoxNews should be sent to Iran for swimming lessons and questioning. sadly, The Daily Show is actually one of the more reliable news sources in USA. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On July 21 2010 16:19 Ahseyo wrote: Just bomb both countries and that will solve the problem.... *Waits for trolls to arrive* Looking at your post history, I'm just baffled how you're still here. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
On July 21 2010 16:30 dybydx wrote: imo, all those reporters for FoxNews should be sent to Iran for swimming lessons and questioning. sadly, The Daily Show is actually one of the more reliable news sources in USA. Please please please, The Daily Show is NOT a news source. Shouldn't be taken any more then a comedy show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Show Describing itself as a fake news program... Stewart and other Daily Show writers have responded to both criticisms by saying that they do not have any journalistic responsibility and that as comedians their only duty is to provide entertainment. Stewart's appearance on the CNN show "Crossfire" outlined this debate, where he chastised the CNN production and hosts for not conducting informative and current interviews on a news network. That said, Read up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#cite_note-Bronner-words-14 And do not take this comment in a vacuum, the guy has a history of outlandish speech towards Jews. It does matter if this guy is in a position of "power". He is THEIR SPOKESPERSON, he represents THEM (not the people, but the government). nttea, The UN does not agree with you, on this. A good amount of countries do not agree that Iran can be peaceful with nuclear weapons. Note that they are not against helping the country get Nuclear power, but want it to be crystal clear. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:38 Rabiator wrote: No he didnt. He actually was an asshole dictator who terrorized and killed his own population with poison gas and secret police and such and who sent a few hundred thousands of them to die in a pointless war on behalf of the USA after Iran threw out the Shah. Yes, he did. He had a standing policy of paying $10k to the families of suicide bombers after a bombing. If you are so sure about the terrorists Saddam supported then name the groups ... and please dont make it AlQaeda, because that is proven to have been a lie by George W. Bush. The CIA supported so many dictatorial regimes since its founding that you might argue that the USA is a bigger supporter of terrorism than any dictator ever was. And even if thats true you still don't have a point. - Did you ever wonder where the song On ebay got its inspiration from? From the fact that the US Army rather secured destroyed water and power control than the unique cultural heritage in the museums in Baghdad. As a result looters broke into the museums and sold the unique pieces on ebay. It is this ignorance which makes the US Army a bad world police ... because they destroy a lot in the process of "saving a populace". Yep, if I was stuck in a building in the middle of a warzone, without water or power, I'd sure be thinking "by golly I hope our UNIQUE CULTURAL HERITAGE is safe!". No, wait, I'm not retarded. And nor is the army. Its a fucking war, you don't secure museums in a war. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On July 21 2010 16:57 angelicfolly wrote: Please please please, The Daily Show is NOT a news source. Shouldn't be taken any more then a comedy show. dats the irony to it. the daily show pride itself as a comedy show delivering fake news, yet they are doing a better job a providing facts than their "leading competitor" - FoxNews. a good number of FoxNews viewers still believe that... 1. Saddam has ties to Al Qaeda 2. There is WMD in Iraq 3. Obama was not born in the USA. [O RLY????] and more... | ||
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Ahseyo
Sweden80 Posts
On July 21 2010 16:41 GinNtoniC wrote: Looking at your post history, I'm just baffled how you're still here. I see that as a compliment. Thank you. This is an accomplishment I've been waiting to get  | ||
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
has a huge point about war, Anything that doesn't have significance in winning really doesn't matter no matter how much you would like it. That said, all that matters is the value that it brings to the table in war. | ||
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