All of the arab states have condonned wiping Isreal war. See: Yom-kippur war, 6 days war, etc.
The funny thing is that they have it backwards. Alot of Arab states seem to believe that Isreal controls the west, while I would argue that it is infact the west that uses Isreal as a proxy to fight for them in the middle east.
On June 13 2010 02:15 Zionner wrote: I have a bad feeling some serious shit is going to go down soon
lol @ this...
cmon dude, really? were going to war with iran. its going to be somewhere between bad and nuclear holocaust.
ill bet any1 cold hard $$ were (USA + friends) at war with iran within 3 years. ill give 3:1. ill give 1:1 its within 18 months.
I'll take that bet at 1:1 odds with USA + friends, which means what exactly. UN involvement. 2+ countries that we have good relations with at time of war decleration? How much you thinking about betting?
the iranian retaliation would make the world tremble.
What retaliation?
Edit: Let me remind you that even with a fictional nuclear warhead, Iran has no balistic missile capability for striking the US. The US is literally on the other side of the world, and Iran has no intercontinental ballistic missile technology, no nuclear submarines and no bombers capable of reaching the US.
On July 21 2010 03:52 ImFromPortugal wrote: "Russia dismisses Iran, insists pending missile deliveries covered by sanctions (AP)"
so Iran is still vulnerable to any aistrike, the S-300 promised by Russia long ago are not going to be delivered, now the Russian say its because of the sanctions but the deal was made long before any of this happened. The s-300 would boost iranians defense capabilities and make any airstrike by Usa or Israel even more difficult.
"The S-300 is regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems currently fielded [2]. Its radars have the ability to simultaneously track up to 100 targets while engaging up to 12."
In any event, I think that people are too hard on Isreal's strategies and tactics. Look at it this way. If one day a bunch of people from Mexico started lobbing rockets over the US border at US cities, the US would say "WTF YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW MEXICO"
If it happened again the US would say "THAT'S IT YOU RETARDS" and invade mexico to take control of the situation. But of course when Isreal does it everyone says "noooooooo it's been going on for decades, you doing stuff now is out of proportion!"
That's because Israel came into Palestine, took it over, then put all of the palestinians in the Gaza Strip and started bulldozing their towns and killing their civilians, then they cry victim when Gaza fights back.
All of the arab states have condonned wiping Isreal war. See: Yom-kippur war, 6 days war, etc.
The funny thing is that they have it backwards. Alot of Arab states seem to believe that Isreal controls the west, while I would argue that it is infact the west that uses Isreal as a proxy to fight for them in the middle east.
On July 21 2010 03:52 ImFromPortugal wrote: "Russia dismisses Iran, insists pending missile deliveries covered by sanctions (AP)"
so Iran is still vulnerable to any aistrike, the S-300 promised by Russia long ago are not going to be delivered, now the Russian say its because of the sanctions but the deal was made long before any of this happened. The s-300 would boost iranians defense capabilities and make any airstrike by Usa or Israel even more difficult.
"The S-300 is regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems currently fielded [2]. Its radars have the ability to simultaneously track up to 100 targets while engaging up to 12."
In any event, I think that people are too hard on Isreal's strategies and tactics. Look at it this way. If one day a bunch of people from Mexico started lobbing rockets over the US border at US cities, the US would say "WTF YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW MEXICO"
If it happened again the US would say "THAT'S IT YOU RETARDS" and invade mexico to take control of the situation. But of course when Isreal does it everyone says "noooooooo it's been going on for decades, you doing stuff now is out of proportion!"
That's because Israel came into Palestine, took it over, then put all of the palestinians in the Gaza Strip and started bulldozing their towns and killing their civilians, then they cry victim when Gaza fights back.
It still wouldn't matter. If, for example, the US invaded mexico and hollowed out a new state for themselves, displacing tons of people, and the remaining mexicans started lobbing rockets at the US, there would be no understanding or forgivness or mercy. Just look at what happened with 9/11. Sure, the US has been screwing with the middle east and arab nations as a whole for a long time. But as soon as an attack happens on US home soil, shit will HIT THE FAN and this is accepted by the people as basically saying "OK you can retaliate against our foreign interests, but as soon as you attack our homes, I don't care what has happened in the past. We will obliterate you because we are much, much stronger than you are and you just picked the wrong fight."
I'm not saying it's particuarly moral, or particularly "fair." I'm just saying put yourself in Isreal's shoes and pretend your country was the one being shelled. What would happen.
All of the arab states have condonned wiping Isreal war. See: Yom-kippur war, 6 days war, etc.
The funny thing is that they have it backwards. Alot of Arab states seem to believe that Isreal controls the west, while I would argue that it is infact the west that uses Isreal as a proxy to fight for them in the middle east.
did you saw the vid i posted?
Nope no youtube at work. Care to describe it? Does it refute all of the anti-isreal comments by virtually every Iranian leader for the last 60 years?
On June 13 2010 02:15 Zionner wrote: I have a bad feeling some serious shit is going to go down soon
lol @ this...
cmon dude, really? were going to war with iran. its going to be somewhere between bad and nuclear holocaust.
ill bet any1 cold hard $$ were (USA + friends) at war with iran within 3 years. ill give 3:1. ill give 1:1 its within 18 months.
I'll take that bet at 1:1 odds with USA + friends, which means what exactly. UN involvement. 2+ countries that we have good relations with at time of war decleration? How much you thinking about betting?
the iranian retaliation would make the world tremble.
What retaliation?
Edit: Let me remind you that even with a fictional nuclear warhead, Iran has no balistic missile capability for striking the US. The US is literally on the other side of the world, and Iran has no intercontinental ballistic missile technology, no nuclear submarines and no bombers capable of reaching the US.
Striking the US with missiles? im talking about striking israel with missiles both from Iran , Lebanon and syria, waging a global war with terrorism against the USA and helping the "insurgents" in iraq and afhganistan ?? do you understand that they have ways to strik your country others than using missiles ?
All of the arab states have condonned wiping Isreal war. See: Yom-kippur war, 6 days war, etc.
The funny thing is that they have it backwards. Alot of Arab states seem to believe that Isreal controls the west, while I would argue that it is infact the west that uses Isreal as a proxy to fight for them in the middle east.
did you saw the vid i posted?
Nope no youtube at work. Care to describe it? Does it refute all of the anti-isreal comments by virtually every Iranian leader for the last 60 years?
You know, for part of those 60 years the Iranian leader was a paid puppet of the US government
All of the arab states have condonned wiping Isreal war. See: Yom-kippur war, 6 days war, etc.
The funny thing is that they have it backwards. Alot of Arab states seem to believe that Isreal controls the west, while I would argue that it is infact the west that uses Isreal as a proxy to fight for them in the middle east.
"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL;
WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001 (IAP News)
“I know what America is,” Netanyahu replied. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.” Benjamin Netanyahu 2001
All of the arab states have condonned wiping Isreal war. See: Yom-kippur war, 6 days war, etc.
The funny thing is that they have it backwards. Alot of Arab states seem to believe that Isreal controls the west, while I would argue that it is infact the west that uses Isreal as a proxy to fight for them in the middle east.
did you saw the vid i posted?
Nope no youtube at work. Care to describe it? Does it refute all of the anti-isreal comments by virtually every Iranian leader for the last 60 years?
You know, for part of those 60 years the Iranian leader was a paid puppet of the US government
He seems to have forgotten that part, the cruel regime of the Sha.
On June 13 2010 02:15 Zionner wrote: I have a bad feeling some serious shit is going to go down soon
lol @ this...
cmon dude, really? were going to war with iran. its going to be somewhere between bad and nuclear holocaust.
ill bet any1 cold hard $$ were (USA + friends) at war with iran within 3 years. ill give 3:1. ill give 1:1 its within 18 months.
I'll take that bet at 1:1 odds with USA + friends, which means what exactly. UN involvement. 2+ countries that we have good relations with at time of war decleration? How much you thinking about betting?
the iranian retaliation would make the world tremble.
What retaliation?
Edit: Let me remind you that even with a fictional nuclear warhead, Iran has no balistic missile capability for striking the US. The US is literally on the other side of the world, and Iran has no intercontinental ballistic missile technology, no nuclear submarines and no bombers capable of reaching the US.
Striking the US with missiles? im talking about striking israel with missiles both from Iran , Lebanon and syria, waging a global war with terrorism against the USA and helping the "insurgents" in iraq and afhganistan ?? do you understand that they have ways to strik your country others than using missiles ?
Do you think the US really cares about Isreal except as a proxy? If Isreal got nuked tommorow my reaction would be "looks like we're going to wipe the middle east off the map tommorow".
A global war with terrorism? Don't even make me laugh. Terrorism does very small amounts of damage compared to an actual war. If middle eastern countries directly supported terrorists (which I'm sure the CIA could prove if it were true) then they would immediatly come under the crosshairs of NATO. Except if you push the US people too far, it won't be a war of "liberation" that they will be fighting. It will be a war to cripple these country's ability to fund terrorists. That means massive infrastructure damage. The governments will have no more money to pay terrorists. And then guess what. The US does the most horrible thing imaginable - they leave. The different ethinic groups in the Middle east then proceed to fight over what scraps of civiilization remain, and the entire region decends into chaos.
The only thing that stops this from happening is that American people are fundamentally people who don't want to see lots of others die. So they try and achieve "occupations" of territories and improve the lives of people there. But just imagine what happens if you push these normally nice people too far.
On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote: Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing.
Probably because Iran is a huge threat to the stability of their government... monarchy vs revolution. And whole region even. Nukes in the hands of Iran probably make them just as nervous as Israel.
If America has nukes, every single country in the world deserves nukes too.
You really think countries like Iran and North Korea are going to be more responsible with nukes than America?
Not North Korean but Iran sure is. How many wars has Iran started and how many has America started?
How many times has America said Israel will be wiped out in one great storm? And Iran?
Saying stuff isn't the same as using nukes on human beings. USA is the only country to date to do so. Also I 'hate' Israel government as much as I hate Iran or NK. Israel can be sons of bitches too if they want.
OK, I understand what you're saying. You are saying:
"There should be an eye for an eye."
If Isreal takes land from some people, they should fight back. But then Isreal should have no right to further attack back.
What I am saying is:
"If a 260 pound delta force operative takes an eye from you, you had better not try and take his eye too. Instead, you had better lie down on the ground and hope he does't decide to smash your tiny skull in"
No, might does not make right. But never think that right will save you from might.
On June 13 2010 02:15 Zionner wrote: I have a bad feeling some serious shit is going to go down soon
lol @ this...
cmon dude, really? were going to war with iran. its going to be somewhere between bad and nuclear holocaust.
ill bet any1 cold hard $$ were (USA + friends) at war with iran within 3 years. ill give 3:1. ill give 1:1 its within 18 months.
I'll take that bet at 1:1 odds with USA + friends, which means what exactly. UN involvement. 2+ countries that we have good relations with at time of war decleration? How much you thinking about betting?
the iranian retaliation would make the world tremble.
What retaliation?
Edit: Let me remind you that even with a fictional nuclear warhead, Iran has no balistic missile capability for striking the US. The US is literally on the other side of the world, and Iran has no intercontinental ballistic missile technology, no nuclear submarines and no bombers capable of reaching the US.
Striking the US with missiles? im talking about striking israel with missiles both from Iran , Lebanon and syria, waging a global war with terrorism against the USA and helping the "insurgents" in iraq and afhganistan ?? do you understand that they have ways to strik your country others than using missiles ?
Do you think the US really cares about Isreal except as a proxy? If Isreal got nuked tommorow my reaction would be "looks like we're going to wipe the middle east off the map tommorow".
A global war with terrorism? Don't even make me laugh. Terrorism does very small amounts of damage compared to an actual war. If middle eastern countries directly supported terrorists (which I'm sure the CIA could prove if it were true) then they would immediatly come under the crosshairs of NATO. Except if you push the US people too far, it won't be a war of "liberation" that they will be fighting. It will be a war to cripple these country's ability to fund terrorists. That means massive infrastructure damage. The governments will have no more money to pay terrorists. And then guess what. The US does the most horrible thing imaginable - they leave. The different ethinic groups in the Middle east then proceed to fight over what scraps of civiilization remain, and the entire region decends into chaos.
The only thing that stops this from happening is that American people are fundamentally people who don't want to see lots of others die. So they try and achieve "occupations" of territories and improve the lives of people there. But just imagine what happens if you push these normally nice people too far.
Ofc the USA cares about ISrael , the jewish lobby is very strong, if USA didnt care about israel you wouldnt be gaving them aid and billions off dollars every year. "Terrorism does very small amounts of damage" really ? say that when cars start blowing in your cities, say that to the victims and to the ones that lost family and friends in terrorist acts, what you think would happen if highly trained terrorists started blowing stuff up in new york and other major USA cities? I used the term terrorism because its the only way we can call the direct targetting of civilians.
I'm sure a lot of you would flip out if you knew the Pentagon also had battle plans for how to attack Iran - Like this move by the Saudi government - this is just "Just in case" type of scenario. Really no reason to get your nickers in a twist. If Israel bombs a reactor and Iran stays hush hush, then you know something was up.
Why does Israel have this belief that they were literally promised some of the most bitterly fought over land in the world by god himself? And why does America take them seriously for that belief?
It's like some random guy saying he had a dream where god said he should become the governor of a state so we just let him walk into office without an election.
It's almost like the Israel supporters don't even realize that they (the Israeli's) just walked onto Palestinian land and killed or "relocated" thousands of people and then declared it their own country. What would happen if somebody tried that in the US?
And more on topic i guess, if Israel did actually involve itself in a war with Iran they would find tens of thousands of angry muslims for many different countries streaming across their borders. What they have now can't even be defined as "uneasy" peace but at least while people are holding rallies calling for your destruction they aren't suicide bombing you.
On June 13 2010 02:15 Zionner wrote: I have a bad feeling some serious shit is going to go down soon
lol @ this...
cmon dude, really? were going to war with iran. its going to be somewhere between bad and nuclear holocaust.
ill bet any1 cold hard $$ were (USA + friends) at war with iran within 3 years. ill give 3:1. ill give 1:1 its within 18 months.
I'll take that bet at 1:1 odds with USA + friends, which means what exactly. UN involvement. 2+ countries that we have good relations with at time of war decleration? How much you thinking about betting?
the iranian retaliation would make the world tremble.
What retaliation?
Edit: Let me remind you that even with a fictional nuclear warhead, Iran has no balistic missile capability for striking the US. The US is literally on the other side of the world, and Iran has no intercontinental ballistic missile technology, no nuclear submarines and no bombers capable of reaching the US.
Striking the US with missiles? im talking about striking israel with missiles both from Iran , Lebanon and syria, waging a global war with terrorism against the USA and helping the "insurgents" in iraq and afhganistan ?? do you understand that they have ways to strik your country others than using missiles ?
Do you think the US really cares about Isreal except as a proxy? If Isreal got nuked tommorow my reaction would be "looks like we're going to wipe the middle east off the map tommorow".
A global war with terrorism? Don't even make me laugh. Terrorism does very small amounts of damage compared to an actual war. If middle eastern countries directly supported terrorists (which I'm sure the CIA could prove if it were true) then they would immediatly come under the crosshairs of NATO. Except if you push the US people too far, it won't be a war of "liberation" that they will be fighting. It will be a war to cripple these country's ability to fund terrorists. That means massive infrastructure damage. The governments will have no more money to pay terrorists. And then guess what. The US does the most horrible thing imaginable - they leave. The different ethinic groups in the Middle east then proceed to fight over what scraps of civiilization remain, and the entire region decends into chaos.
The only thing that stops this from happening is that American people are fundamentally people who don't want to see lots of others die. So they try and achieve "occupations" of territories and improve the lives of people there. But just imagine what happens if you push these normally nice people too far.
Ofc the USA cares about ISrael , the jewish lobby is very strong, if USA didnt care about israel you wouldnt be gaving them aid and billions off dollars every year. "Terrorism does very small amounts of damage" really ? say that when cars start blowing in your cities, say that to the victims and to the ones that lost family and friends in terrorist acts, what you think would happen if highly trained terrorists started blowing stuff up in new york and other major USA cities? I used the term terrorism because its the only way we can call the direct targetting of civilians.
Can terrorism prevent the USA from producing nuclear weapons? Can terorism stop the USA from churning out war machiens? Can terrorism stop the USA from producing food? Can terrorism put a serious dent in ANY activity?
Terrorism doesn't do jack all to the actual ability of the USA to make goods and services. It cannot bring the USA down. Meanwhile, the terrorists need money from somewhere. They need food from somewhere. When they can't get it from sponsoring countries that are being invaded and they can't get it form the local people who hate and despise them and their every piece of evidence is being hounded by the FBI, they will not last long.
The very best that terrorism can do is curtail civil liberties and make the US more authoritarian. It cannot save their countries from anhiallation nor can it save their people. All it can do is make life more uncomfortable and alittle bit more dangerous for the US people.
On July 21 2010 05:38 ghermination wrote: Why does Israel have this belief that they were literally promised some of the most bitterly fought over land in the world by god himself? And why does America take them seriously for that belief?
It's like some random guy saying he had a dream where god said he should become the governor of a state so we just let him walk into office without an election.
It's almost like the Israel supporters don't even realize that they (the Israeli's) just walked onto Palestinian land and killed or "relocated" thousands of people and then declared it their own country. What would happen if somebody tried that in the US?
hey pal, you mind reading up on the history of the foundation of israel before you start spouting your mouth off, which is probably just repeating other people's uninformed views?
On July 21 2010 05:38 ghermination wrote: Why does Israel have this belief that they were literally promised some of the most bitterly fought over land in the world by god himself? And why does America take them seriously for that belief?
It's like some random guy saying he had a dream where god said he should become the governor of a state so we just let him walk into office without an election.
It's almost like the Israel supporters don't even realize that they (the Israeli's) just walked onto Palestinian land and killed or "relocated" thousands of people and then declared it their own country. What would happen if somebody tried that in the US?
hey pal, you mind reading up on the history of the foundation of israel before you start spouting your mouth off, which is probably just repeating other people's uninformed views?
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