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UPDATE:
House OK's possible Israeli raid on Iran
Republicans in the US House of Representatives have introduced a measure that would green-light a possible Israeli bombing campaign against Iran.
Resolution 1553 provides explicit support for military strikes against Iran, stating that Congress backs Israel's use of 'all means necessary' against Iran, "including the use of military force," BBC Persian reported.
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Jibba provided some important links for us to understand better this resolutions and "deals".
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"H.Res.1553 - Expressing support for the State of Israel's right to defend Israeli sovereignty, to protect the lives and safety of the Israeli people, and to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the use of military force if no other peaceful solution can be found within reasonable time to protect against such an immediate and existential threat to the State of Israel."
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Just a few things to keep in mind:
1. This is a terrible resolution. Many of the things cited are false or questionable.
2. This is just a resolution. Lots of resolutions get introduced and lots get passed. They usually don't mean anything by themselves. The 4 points outlined are that the US 1) condemns Iran's threats against Israel, 2) supports all means of persuading the Iranian government not to build or pursue nuclear weapons, 3) reaffirms support of Israel and 4) expresses support for Israel to use military force to protect its people if no other peaceful solution can be found within a reasonable time.
If that sounds familiar, it'd because it is. It's what various members of the government have been saying for a decade, and it's conclusions are essentially reasonable, except that the premise is questionable (that Iran will attack Israel.)
So what to think about this? Not sure. It doesn't actually do anything. Sometimes resolutions are used as a way to appear hard on an issue, while actually doing nothing. "We think ______ should be done, but we're not actually going to do ______." In this case, it's probably just a tool for domestic politics. Tehran certainly won't care, because we've been saying all of these things for a while, and Jerusalem won't care, for that very same reason and because they don't really care what the House FRC thinks. It might be telling that instead of talking about doing something, they've just been talking about talking about doing something.
I find it a bit laughable that its characterized as a green light for the bombing to begin. The green light for the bombing to begin is the Pentagon giving them a green light for the bombing to begin. Israel would not wait for US Congress to make a decision, in order to protect its own citizens.
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I think the question arises: What they are waiting for ?
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On July 25 2010 01:08 ImFromPortugal wrote:
I think the question arises: What they are waiting for ?
An opportunity perhaps? Something big enough to distract the rest of the world so they avoid public scrutiny. Get in, destroy key targets, get out, blame it all on a freak accident.
I find it very disconcerting that Russia is providing Iran with mobile Anti-air defense. Whose side are they on, and how would they react to an invasion of Iran?
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On July 25 2010 02:13 Blanke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 01:08 ImFromPortugal wrote:
I think the question arises: What they are waiting for ? An opportunity perhaps? Something big enough to distract the rest of the world so they avoid public scrutiny. Get in, destroy key targets, get out, blame it all on a freak accident. I find it very disconcerting that Russia is providing Iran with mobile Anti-air defense. Whose side are they on, and how would they react to an invasion of Iran?
Russia is still in absolutely no position to be on anyones side in anything. Their economy is still not functioning after the turmoils of the 90s. Diplomatically their name is still worth something but they'd have trouble intervening in a war involving a great power, let alone a superpower.
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On July 25 2010 02:13 Blanke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 01:08 ImFromPortugal wrote:
I think the question arises: What they are waiting for ? An opportunity perhaps? Something big enough to distract the rest of the world so they avoid public scrutiny. Get in, destroy key targets, get out, blame it all on a freak accident. I find it very disconcerting that Russia is providing Iran with mobile Anti-air defense. Whose side are they on, and how would they react to an invasion of Iran?
"Russian officials confirm Iran sanctions block S-300 missile sale "
The new round of UN sanctions against Iran rule out Russia's delivery of S-300 missile defense systems to the Islamic Republic, Russian officials concluded in a report published on Friday.
"An analysis of the provisions of the UN Security Council Resolution 1929 adopted on June 9, 2010, conducted by the FSMTC experts, shows that the restrictive measures contained in the document apply to the delivery of S-300 air defense systems to Iran as well," the Federal Service on Military-Technical Cooperation said on Friday.
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Never trust the russians
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God the world is getting a scary place, with the confligt to be in edge of war: Israel - iran, North korea-, Venezuela - cuba? Turkey - North iraq, war in afghanistan and iraq.
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Every time someone talks about war, that stuff reminds me of the movie "The Book of Eli" about a post apocalyptic world where there is now laws. Kinda creepy as everyone would get screwed over with no laws or society :O
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On July 25 2010 00:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:UPDATE:Resolution 1553 Source
"Whereas the United States and Israel have a special friendship based on shared values, and together share the common goal of peace and security in the Middle-East;"
Wow, that's a load off my mind! For a few decades there I thought that The American state was a ruthless money making machine for the private jet-class. I thought that the US policy was allowing nuclear proliferation when it suited them and I thought that the US was intent on constantly undermining peace and security all over the world. I have to say, I am relieved to know that for years I have been living in a fantasy world. God, lordy, lordy, lord. I was blind and now I see.
Reading the American press..listening to politicians and government officials.. I just feel like cumming out of every pore of my body.
Pleeeeeaaasse, try contain your great rulers. The button is located in Washington, not in Israel. This isn't going to end until you make it stop. I know it sounds naive, but it should be possible in a quasi-democracy. I'm not American so there's very little I can do to stop the misery machine. If I did live there I'd probably stop paying (part of my) taxes.
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On July 25 2010 02:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 02:13 Blanke wrote:On July 25 2010 01:08 ImFromPortugal wrote:
I think the question arises: What they are waiting for ? An opportunity perhaps? Something big enough to distract the rest of the world so they avoid public scrutiny. Get in, destroy key targets, get out, blame it all on a freak accident. I find it very disconcerting that Russia is providing Iran with mobile Anti-air defense. Whose side are they on, and how would they react to an invasion of Iran? Russia is still in absolutely no position to be on anyones side in anything. Their economy is still not functioning after the turmoils of the 90s. Diplomatically their name is still worth something but they'd have trouble intervening in a war involving a great power, let alone a superpower.
Well, I guess it all depends on their relationship with China then. If China were to ever side with them, we'd be screwed.
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With all this BS and the North Korea thing I think were closer to WW3 than ever except now we have more weapons that will cause pain and suffering to MORE people than ever. This is so sad... My heart goes out to the innocent people who have to go through this BS every year and whose family members are accidentally killed due to government provocations. So sad...
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On July 25 2010 05:41 Blanke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 02:24 KwarK wrote:On July 25 2010 02:13 Blanke wrote:On July 25 2010 01:08 ImFromPortugal wrote:
I think the question arises: What they are waiting for ? An opportunity perhaps? Something big enough to distract the rest of the world so they avoid public scrutiny. Get in, destroy key targets, get out, blame it all on a freak accident. I find it very disconcerting that Russia is providing Iran with mobile Anti-air defense. Whose side are they on, and how would they react to an invasion of Iran? Russia is still in absolutely no position to be on anyones side in anything. Their economy is still not functioning after the turmoils of the 90s. Diplomatically their name is still worth something but they'd have trouble intervening in a war involving a great power, let alone a superpower. Well, I guess it all depends on their relationship with China then. If China were to ever side with them, we'd be screwed.
Well they would be screwed too, both sides would get f'd up.
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On July 25 2010 08:11 ckw wrote:
With all this BS and the North Korea thing I think were closer to WW3 than ever except now we have more weapons that will cause pain and suffering to MORE people than ever. This is so sad... My heart goes out to the innocent people who have to go through this BS every year and whose family members are accidentally killed due to government provocations. So sad...
It's just a window. Once Cold war era politicians leave office in both the US and Russia relations will be alot easier, and the threat will slow down on that front, as well as most of asia, as the two powers could actually work together.
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On July 25 2010 04:11 Bambooca wrote:
God the world is getting a scary place, with the confligt to be in edge of war: Israel - iran, North korea-, Venezuela - cuba? Turkey - North iraq, war in afghanistan and iraq.
Agreed. And somehow the US and Israel are often painted as an evil force. Europe has to step up its game and start playing a more important role in creating a safer and freer world b/c the U.S. and Israel by themselves for sure won't be able to do it.
All this self hate that's so prevalent in the west really reminds me of the appeasement prior to WWII. We have to learn how to be more proud of ourselves and remember that although we are imperfect we are at least trying to move humanity towards a better direction.
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self hate?
moving humanity towards a better direction?
israel+world peace???
please elaborate
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On July 25 2010 00:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UPDATE:
House OK's possible Israeli raid on Iran
Republicans in the US House of Representatives have introduced a measure that would green-light a possible Israeli bombing campaign against Iran.
Resolution 1553 provides explicit support for military strikes against Iran, stating that Congress backs Israel's use of 'all means necessary' against Iran, "including the use of military force," BBC Persian reported.
OMFG.... the Americans arnt even out of Iraq and now they are gonna f'ck up Iran?
America is a failed democracy. >.<
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On July 25 2010 09:59 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 00:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UPDATE:
House OK's possible Israeli raid on Iran
Republicans in the US House of Representatives have introduced a measure that would green-light a possible Israeli bombing campaign against Iran.
Resolution 1553 provides explicit support for military strikes against Iran, stating that Congress backs Israel's use of 'all means necessary' against Iran, "including the use of military force," BBC Persian reported.
OMFG.... the Americans arnt even out of Iraq and now they are gonna f'ck up Iran? America is a failed democracy. >.<
Democracy is not necessarily the same thing as pacifistic lol. That's a false conclusion.
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On July 25 2010 09:59 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 00:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UPDATE:
House OK's possible Israeli raid on Iran
Republicans in the US House of Representatives have introduced a measure that would green-light a possible Israeli bombing campaign against Iran.
Resolution 1553 provides explicit support for military strikes against Iran, stating that Congress backs Israel's use of 'all means necessary' against Iran, "including the use of military force," BBC Persian reported.
OMFG.... the Americans arnt even out of Iraq and now they are gonna f'ck up Iran? America is a failed democracy. >.<
Yes, because a House resolution is oh-so-binding, and a war with Iran would obviously mean a long-term occupation of the entire Iranian nation.
/sarcasm T_T
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On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote:
Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing.
So once the Jews attack that they could go back and say that Israel attacked first and they wouldn't get in trouble.
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