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On April 24 2004 05:46 FrozenArbiter wrote:
No all they did was ban everything korean! They even changed the countries romanized spelling from Corea to Korea because it's unacceptable for a 'colony's name to be ahead of Japan in the alphabet..
They forceably drafted Koreans into their army and were rather (read: extremely) harsh on enforcing their policies. And I do believe people here have mentioned the countless rapes etc? But yeah, maybe not quite the same impact as on china but still.
what's your point, what Japan did to Korea has nothing to do with the ethnic animosity between China and Japan based upon what Japan did to China. Chinese people don't like Japanese people, not because of the horrible things Japan they did in Korea, but because of what Japan did to China
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On April 24 2004 05:47 FrozenArbiter wrote:
You didn't elect them.. I do believe the Chinese goverment is definately improving but it is not a democracy..
Did you vote for the laws that are enforced on your democratic society. How much political do you really have. Think about it, democracy is dead, just like God is dead. So what's the point of argueing that technically Chinese people don't elect the leader, when technically you didnt get a chance to decide on your country's newest laws, and democracy is supose to allow you to do that.
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On April 24 2004 08:25 LastRomance wrote: Taiwan is not recognised as a soverignty, therefore not a part of the U.N. U.S recognise it because it is in their national interest to do so, but that does not make them a soverignty. Did you notice that CIA is an American website? Why don't you check the statistics on a Chinese website. What are you on about local people decide for what they want? Are you stupid or something, every single region want to be in control, every single region want be the region that has the most power. So what you are saying is like, for example local people of Manchuria wants to become the ruling region of China then they have the power to decide that?
No dude what he ment was its better for the people in manchuria to decide how to govern themselves although remain a part of china. Basically he just demostrated the american model where states govern themselves differently yet are all still part of one country.
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On April 24 2004 06:54 Heen wrote:
Get over history that does not affect you.
I'm korean but I'm positive that if I ever said that in a korean crowd, I'd be classified as unpatriotic when in fact I'm trying move on.
I don't give a shit what happened. Wars happen all the time. Hating your own generation of another country because of a war or event 3 generations ago is stupid. Nobody gives a shit about your family's gossip. Learn to think. bye.
not hating everyone, just those ones who arn't willing to accept their wrongs. It's like Jews have every right to hate Neo-Nazis, Chinese have every right to hate the Japs who think they are somehow superior race. These people include the government and alot of their population.
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So? Manchuria is divided into three provinces in which each are self govern, we just dont call it states...
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On April 24 2004 08:34 DV8 wrote:
No dude what he ment was its better for the people in manchuria to decide how to govern themselves although remain a part of china. Basically he just demostrated the american model where states govern themselves differently yet are all still part of one country.
how will that work when Manchurians have tension with the Hans. Remember that Machuria ruled china not so long ago, and the tension has not ceased. Why should let each states rule independently when they can be ruled centrally. Espeically a volatile and strategically sensitive region?
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will this thread ever end?
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On April 24 2004 08:16 haduken wrote:
FrozenArbiter... seriously, read more about asia or actually go live there... u have no clue about the issue and is just posting what u see on media and what u thought happened...
Manchuria is not another country! chinese never, repeat NEver invaded manchuria... if u go check, its actually the other way around... Manchurians invaded china... and established the Qing Dynasty... i kno, i was born there. China incorported about 50+ difficult racial groups... but that does not mean the ppl other than hans r not chinese... dont lecture ppl on tibet when urself dont have a clue...
China has never invaded another country, cultures and groups are absorbed into china from time to time... but never by means of violence.. ur ignorance is really sad...
How can u compare culture revolution with the horrid acts of japanese troops?
taiwan is not a sovereign nation, it is at best a "region" like hongkong... if u actually spend time on this, u should kno that taiwan's offical name = Republic of China and China = People's republic of china. Do u get this now? At this day... despite many taiwan locals wish to seperate... taiwan is still technically part of china...
.. You obviously do not know how to read. I dunno from where you got the impression that I thought China invaded Manchuria.. You did, however, invade it together with Silla when it was still called Koguryo but that was a long long long time ago so whatever.
Well it is, by many, regarded as a separate country.. I dunno what you are so hung up about. Never by means of violence? Oh really? Tibet was absorbed by means of violence, of that I am certain..
I conceed the Taiwan point, I thought they had gotten independance recently.
I don't know enough about the cultural revolution to compare them, no. I brought it up as a comment on the 'Competed in who could kill the most..' comment.
I do think the Japanese goverment should apoligize and more too, but in a few of the posts you have used the same kind of thinking - which is rather sad to see.
EDIT: I see now that my post about manchuria was a little confusing - the invasion part was not meant to be grouped together with manchuria - I'm sorry for any confusion that might have caused.
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On April 24 2004 08:16 haduken wrote:
FrozenArbiter... seriously, read more about asia or actually go live there... u have no clue about the issue and is just posting what u see on media and what u thought happened...
Manchuria is not another country! chinese never, repeat NEver invaded manchuria... if u go check, its actually the other way around... Manchurians invaded china... and established the Qing Dynasty... i kno, i was born there. China incorported about 50+ difficult racial groups... but that does not mean the ppl other than hans r not chinese... dont lecture ppl on tibet when urself dont have a clue...
China has never invaded another country, cultures and groups are absorbed into china from time to time... but never by means of violence.. ur ignorance is really sad...
How can u compare culture revolution with the horrid acts of japanese troops?
taiwan is not a sovereign nation, it is at best a "region" like hongkong... if u actually spend time on this, u should kno that taiwan's offical name = Republic of China and China = People's republic of china. Do u get this now? At this day... despite many taiwan locals wish to seperate... taiwan is still technically part of china...
Interesting that the first unification of china did not include tibet oh thats right different people were there already. Oh this line is golden "China has never invaded another country, cultures and groups are absorbed into china from time to time... but never by means of violence.. ur ignorance is really sad... " actually this statement is true, china never invaded tibet they just absorbed it and not through violence just the use of guns and their military.
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On April 24 2004 08:25 LastRomance wrote: Taiwan is not recognised as a soverignty, therefore not a part of the U.N. U.S recognise it because it is in their national interest to do so, but that does not make them a soverignty. Did you notice that CIA is an American website? Why don't you check the statistics on a Chinese website. What are you on about local people decide for what they want? Are you stupid or something, every single region want to be in control, every single region want be the region that has the most power. So what you are saying is like, for example local people of Manchuria wants to become the ruling region of China then they have the power to decide that?
Well I would if I could actually read Chinese (just curious, Cantonese and Mandarin uses the same alphabet right?).
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On April 24 2004 08:25 LastRomance wrote: Taiwan is not recognised as a soverignty, therefore not a part of the U.N. U.S recognise it because it is in their national interest to do so, but that does not make them a soverignty. Did you notice that CIA is an American website? Why don't you check the statistics on a Chinese website. What are you on about local people decide for what they want? Are you stupid or something, every single region want to be in control, every single region want be the region that has the most power. So what you are saying is like, for example local people of Manchuria wants to become the ruling region of China then they have the power to decide that?
I didn't say that..
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On April 24 2004 08:34 DV8 wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 08:25 LastRomance wrote: On April 24 2004 05:08 FrozenArbiter wrote: Taiwan is recognized as a sovereign nation isn't it? http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tw.html I mean, should really the Chinese people in, say, Manchuria decide what happens to the people living in the other end of the country? Shouldn't local issues be decided by local people? Taiwan is not recognised as a soverignty, therefore not a part of the U.N. U.S recognise it because it is in their national interest to do so, but that does not make them a soverignty. Did you notice that CIA is an American website? Why don't you check the statistics on a Chinese website. What are you on about local people decide for what they want? Are you stupid or something, every single region want to be in control, every single region want be the region that has the most power. So what you are saying is like, for example local people of Manchuria wants to become the ruling region of China then they have the power to decide that? No dude what he ment was its better for the people in manchuria to decide how to govern themselves although remain a part of china. Basically he just demostrated the american model where states govern themselves differently yet are all still part of one country.
Thank you, I was beginning to think I had done some huge typo or something -_-
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On April 24 2004 08:29 LastRomance wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 05:46 FrozenArbiter wrote:
No all they did was ban everything korean! They even changed the countries romanized spelling from Corea to Korea because it's unacceptable for a 'colony's name to be ahead of Japan in the alphabet..
They forceably drafted Koreans into their army and were rather (read: extremely) harsh on enforcing their policies. And I do believe people here have mentioned the countless rapes etc? But yeah, maybe not quite the same impact as on china but still. what's your point, what Japan did to Korea has nothing to do with the ethnic animosity between China and Japan based upon what Japan did to China. Chinese people don't like Japanese people, not because of the horrible things Japan they did in Korea, but because of what Japan did to China
..Read the I was replying to, please.
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On April 24 2004 08:33 LastRomance wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 05:47 FrozenArbiter wrote:
You didn't elect them.. I do believe the Chinese goverment is definately improving but it is not a democracy.. Did you vote for the laws that are enforced on your democratic society. How much political do you really have. Think about it, democracy is dead, just like God is dead. So what's the point of argueing that technically Chinese people don't elect the leader, when technically you didnt get a chance to decide on your country's newest laws, and democracy is supose to allow you to do that.
Nothing is perfect, however, I do have more control than you do. I have more freedoms so to speak, also - there is a greater political diversity in sweden than in China I believe.. More options.
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On April 24 2004 08:36 LastRomance wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 06:54 Heen wrote:
Get over history that does not affect you.
I'm korean but I'm positive that if I ever said that in a korean crowd, I'd be classified as unpatriotic when in fact I'm trying move on.
I don't give a shit what happened. Wars happen all the time. Hating your own generation of another country because of a war or event 3 generations ago is stupid. Nobody gives a shit about your family's gossip. Learn to think. bye. not hating everyone, just those ones who arn't willing to accept their wrongs. It's like Jews have every right to hate Neo-Nazis, Chinese have every right to hate the Japs who think they are somehow superior race. These people include the government and alot of their population.
What do you base the 'a lot of the population' statement on? I agreed with your post until that part.
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DV8... were u there when it happened? did u see with ur own eyes how chinese use their rifels to shoot millions of tibetans? no, u saw a movie and read a few books..
the fact of matter is... u do not kno wat really happened... u believed wat the media feed u... end
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On April 24 2004 08:41 LastRomance wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 08:34 DV8 wrote:
No dude what he ment was its better for the people in manchuria to decide how to govern themselves although remain a part of china. Basically he just demostrated the american model where states govern themselves differently yet are all still part of one country. how will that work when Manchurians have tension with the Hans. Remember that Machuria ruled china not so long ago, and the tension has not ceased. Why should let each states rule independently when they can be ruled centrally. Espeically a volatile and strategically sensitive region? They're not being ruled completely independently it's just that manchurians are better equiped to govern themselves than say the hans in the south. If you live in the south why are you telling them how to live up north? Here is example State A and State B are controlled by GOVT C now lets say C is located in state B, So C passes a law to impose heavy tariffs on grain imports because it competes heavily with the grain industry in state B, But in State A they need to purchase their grain and it would be easier to import it from a neighboring country than have it brought up from the south. So State A loses because of lawmakers in state B hence why it would be better for A to decide whether they need to put a tariff or not on imported goods.
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On April 24 2004 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote:
.. You obviously do not know how to read. I dunno from where you got the impression that I thought China invaded Manchuria.. You did, however, invade it together with Silla when it was still called Koguryo but that was a long long long time ago so whatever.
Well it is, by many, regarded as a separate country.. I dunno what you are so hung up about. Never by means of violence? Oh really? Tibet was absorbed by means of violence, of that I am certain..
I conceed the Taiwan point, I thought they had gotten independance recently.
I don't know enough about the cultural revolution to compare them, no. I brought it up as a comment on the 'Competed in who could kill the most..' comment.
I do think the Japanese goverment should apoligize and more too, but in a few of the posts you have used the same kind of thinking - which is rather sad to see.
on the issue of Tibet, many of you don't have a clue what realy was behind the whole event. It was certainly a use of violence, but considering that Tibet was a strategically sensative region that if fell into hands of other nations would seriously threat the national security of China. considering the tensions of the Cold War and the increasing conflict of interest between Russia and China, Tibet was the region that posed an immediate threat to China.
I condemn the violence, but i dont condemn the military manouvre coming from a strategic perspective on behalf of China.
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On April 24 2004 08:39 haduken wrote:
So? Manchuria is divided into three provinces in which each are self govern, we just dont call it states...
Ok, that was what I meant 
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