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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On April 24 2004 09:27 LastRomance wrote: ROFL Now I get it everyone has to be equally miserable and somehow that is beneficial to them.look man, why do countries have protectionism, its exactly because of this factor. it's not in the national interest of certain nations like China to allow states to trade with neighbouring countries even if it is mor profitable then doing so with other states of china. The welfare of the nation comes before the welfare of the states | ||
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longer_23
China299 Posts
Republic---the upper class ppl make decisions; Democracy---the middle class ppl make decisions; Communism---the lower class ppl make decisions. We once went beyond democracy but it didn't work out. Millions died, yes. So now we're back to a republic and waiting for the middle class the form. | ||
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LastRomance
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On April 24 2004 09:16 FrozenArbiter wrote: Um well, as far as I'm aware China has never been a democracy.. Shouldn't you at least have tried that before discarding it? And I'm not sure what you mean ' If u measure the total amount of 'political freedom' exists within China then China probably has the bigest amount of 'political freedom' in the whole world. ' ? Could you elaborate maybe? you cant get democracy workin properly with large population. the only reason India is democratic is because its forced upon by the British constitution. And now they are having serious social problems in that society, and poverty is and lack of birth control is basically ruinin the country. the main reason is because of democracy. think about all the political freedom the people have in like remote regions. They can say all they want, no body is going to care. And you can say all the bad things about the government of the country as long as they are legit and evidential and is patriotic. I mean exposing govenrmnet corruption is common in China while in many other coutries that is a restricted 'political freedom'. If everyone in china has only 1 point for 'political freedom' compared to lyk 50 in sweden, buh if u muliply that by the population, china is ahead of Sweden. 'political freedom' is relative to population | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 24 2004 09:39 LastRomance wrote: you cant get democracy workin properly with large population. the only reason India is democratic is because its forced upon by the British constitution. And now they are having serious social problems in that society, and poverty is and lack of birth control is basically ruinin the country. the main reason is because of democracy. think about all the political freedom the people have in like remote regions. They can say all they want, no body is going to care. And you can say all the bad things about the government of the country as long as they are legit and evidential and is patriotic. I mean exposing govenrmnet corruption is common in China while in many other coutries that is a restricted 'political freedom'. If everyone in china has only 1 point for 'political freedom' compared to lyk 50 in sweden, buh if u muliply that by the population, china is ahead of Sweden. 'political freedom' is relative to population Maybe I'm just too much of an individual person to agree with that  Oh and about 'exposing goverment corruption is common in china'.. IT IS?? :O:O:O Honestly surprised.. | ||
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LastRomance
21 Posts
On April 24 2004 09:27 DV8 wrote: Ok so you don't have a soviet russia anymore to worry about why does china still have control over tibet? U.S dont have to worry about Soviet, why do they have bases in Japan and nuclear warhead aimed at Russia. The Cold War is over, why are there stil sanctions on North Korea and Vietnam? | ||
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LastRomance
21 Posts
On April 24 2004 09:31 DV8 wrote: ROFL Now I get it everyone has to be equally miserable and somehow that is beneficial to them. where u pull this point out??? if a nation dont have control over domestic states then that nation is basically falling apart. equal misery provides equal benefit in the long run. Unequal misery creates disharmony and lead to harm. | ||
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LastRomance
21 Posts
On April 24 2004 09:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Maybe I'm just too much of an individual person to agree with that Oh and about 'exposing goverment corruption is common in china'.. IT IS?? :O:O:O Honestly surprised.. corruption is the theme for Chinese T.V. shows | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
 Then again, Sweden is a pretty socialist state. However, I thought US media loved corruption (ie scandals)? | ||
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SW)RIF
United States563 Posts
On April 24 2004 09:36 longer_23 wrote: Republic---the upper class ppl make decisions; Democracy---the middle class ppl make decisions; Communism---the lower class ppl make decisions. We once went beyond democracy but it didn't work out. Millions died, yes. So now we're back to a republic and waiting for the middle class the form. Yea its unfortunate that communism only works in theory. The Human condition taints the potential of a real communistic society. But the truth remains, communism is the breeding ground of dictators who assume power and the lower class is ignored all the same. On April 24 2004 07:45 we want peace wrote: It is also a shame that the dictator and terrorist GW Bush selected by the people from so called democratotic US imposes its idea on Iraq and enslave the Iraqis by launching a disgusting war without the approvement from UN! For your edification, Bush is far from a dictator (nor is any democratic leader), his word is anything but the say all end all. If his office or congress had voted against the action of war, then it wouldnt have happened (which i now wish was the case). Unlike real dictators Stalin/Mao Zedong/Hitler who were allowed to do whatever they pleased and treat/mame/murder/torture whoever they pleased. | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
On April 24 2004 07:11 CloudNine9 wrote: 60 years is not 3 generations ago, ask your grand parents and tell them that you dont give a shit about what happened to them or their generation. Hope they smack some sense into you it started in 1910 and ended in 1945 you fucking idiot. my grandparents must be unlike yours, educated, and therefore dont go berserk everytime they confront anything related to Japan or its people. | ||
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longer_23
China299 Posts
On April 24 2004 10:12 SW)RIF wrote: Yea its unfortunate that communism only works in theory. The Human condition taints the potential of a real communistic society. But the truth remains, communism is the breeding ground of dictators who assume power and the lower class is ignored all the same. This is a good point. Theoretically communism is supposed to be the most distant regime from monachy; but in practice they have so much in common. I guess it's becoz lower class people have a lot of other concerns than exercising their political power. so they always hand over the power automatically to a 'leader' they trust. On April 24 2004 07:45 we want peace wrote: For your edification, Bush is far from a dictator (nor is any democratic leader), his word is anything but the say all end all. If his office or congress had voted against the action of war, then it wouldnt have happened (which i now wish was the case). Unlike real dictators Stalin/Mao Zedong/Hitler who were allowed to do whatever they pleased and treat/mame/murder/torture whoever they pleased. Mao Zedong and Hitler had the exact opposite ideals. how can you compare the two? Communists bring down the elites and try to make everyone equal; while facists consider themselves elites and persecute the weak in their eyes. | ||
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AK-Nemesis
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longer_23
China299 Posts
On April 24 2004 11:26 AK-Nemesis wrote: actually i think what he meant was mao zedone and hitler were both totaltarian In Mao period there're actually serveral factions in the CCp government. Mao didnt have sole control of the govrrnment, there 're occasional power shiftings. but mao managed to enlist all the support from the PEOPLE. Those several decades are hard to generalize. | ||
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ChObo)eleMeNtS
Switzerland30 Posts
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AK-Nemesis
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0_0
United States2090 Posts
On April 24 2004 12:40 ChObo)eleMeNtS wrote: we want peace i bet u cant even speak chinese What does this have to do with anything, other then being a personal insult(is this)? | ||
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OriginalLogic
United States85 Posts
On April 23 2004 23:13 we want peace wrote: I have big problem with appology? Tian An Men Square is not caused by me, why should I say sorry to that? There are a billion pages, but I thought this was hilarious. Wasn't this guy saying earlier that he hated all the Japanese because of what the government did 67 years ago? Oh wait, but his government massacred some people and no apology is necessary. lol | ||
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United States2090 Posts
On April 24 2004 15:32 OriginalLogic wrote: There are a billion pages, but I thought this was hilarious. Wasn't this guy saying earlier that he hated all the Japanese because of what the government did 67 years ago? Oh wait, but his government massacred some people and no apology is necessary. lol his government has the balls to recognize what they did . The Japanese government doesn't even have the balls to own up to what they did. | ||
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United States2090 Posts
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