Japanese rightist attacked China's embassy

On April 23 2004 03:02 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:
I agree, all Japanese people and objects suck

On April 23 2004 04:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:
You said yourself that these were rightist, and by that I take it you mean extremists.. You can't judge a country just from that. However, I'm not extremely fond of Japan, a lot of it probably stems from having spent too much time with koreans but also from reading about just what they did during WWII :/

However, that was a different generation almost entirely,
I think the way you are talking now is very much uncalled for. Is there any INDEPENDENT news article about this, in english preferably since I do not speak mandarine/cantonese etc.

On April 23 2004 04:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:
You said yourself that these were rightist, and by that I take it you mean extremists.. You can't judge a country just from that. However, I'm not extremely fond of Japan, a lot of it probably stems from having spent too much time with koreans but also from reading about just what they did during WWII :/

However, that was a different generation almost entirely,
I think the way you are talking now is very much uncalled for. Is there any INDEPENDENT news article about this, in english preferably since I do not speak mandarine/cantonese etc.

On April 23 2004 04:49 Yuljan wrote:
I like china and Japan and i dont care about the governments

On April 23 2004 04:56 Schnake wrote:


I like them both but I DO care about the governments as they set the path for the future...

On April 23 2004 05:00 FreeZEternal wrote:
Koreans, Chinese -_-;; kinda don't like Japan. It is not because of the past. It is because they don't accept what they have done in the past. Also, they changed all their history books to make children and new generation believe they didn't do anything wrong in the past. Yes!I like japanese girls, but screw Japan -_-;

On April 23 2004 05:04 we want peace wrote:


Yes, what you have said is quite right!

But as for Japanese girl, I have no interest in them.

On April 23 2004 05:06 FreeZEternal wrote:


you should try it lol...

On April 23 2004 03:34 Anal_Ripper wrote:

no, Japan kicks ass

On April 23 2004 05:18 Tricky wrote:
JAPANNESS FUCKING DIE fuckin balless prick they deserve another couple of nukes GOGO AMERICANS PWN THEM PLSSSSSS !@#$

On April 23 2004 05:20 Tricky wrote:




fuck off russians u r country s just abt to be extinctedd in the history book gl

On April 23 2004 05:20 FreeZEternal wrote:
i once saw a korean forum with 1000+posts bashing japan -_- it was hilarious -_-;;;

On April 23 2004 05:20 FreeZEternal wrote:
i once saw a korean forum with 1000+posts bashing japan -_- it was hilarious -_-;;;

On April 23 2004 05:28 Tricky wrote:



hey do u know that bashing japs somehow became a culture of chinese?

i mean chinese flaming jap or bashing them unconsiously has been around for qute a while

On April 23 2004 05:29 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
hmm i dunno but i think i prefer japanese women to women of other south east asian countries

however, china does have really great food, as well as kung fu, so im thinking china wins

On April 23 2004 02:59 we want peace wrote:
I don't know how to spell the name of the city where the terrorist attack happened!

But the incident will further deteriorate the diplomatic relations between China and Japan!

On April 23 2004 05:57 FreeZEternal wrote:
I have some chinese friends and taiwanese friends and from hong kong. Kinda weird...either i'm with my chinese friends or taiwanese friends...i can't be with both -_-;;;;

On April 23 2004 06:07 fbs wrote:

I'm talking about the Japanese terrorist attack on China's embassy in Japan.
It's a bit confusing for you,sorry for that

What is he talking about?

On April 23 2004 06:09 we want peace wrote:


I should say that Taiwan is a part of China, and Taiwanese is also Chinese.
I don't want to say North or South Korea. cause I'd rather regard you as one nation on the peninsula

On April 23 2004 06:15 Probe (H) wrote:
Its stupid to have hatred because your granddads had a fight with each other. This way of thinking you will get another war (economic). However in Europe we now have the E.U. which is a very close band between country's who were at war in the earlier century's.

On April 23 2004 06:13 FreeZEternal wrote:

The first time I met them i was like...are you chinese? They responded:
"No", I'm taiwanese -_-;.

On April 23 2004 03:10 we want peace wrote:
I should say that revenge is going to take place, sooner or later!!

On April 23 2004 06:22 OriginalLogic wrote:
When did the leaders of Nazi Germany ever apologize for their actions? NEVER. The government in Germany today need not take responsibility for that crap.

On April 23 2004 05:29 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
hmm i dunno but i think i prefer japanese women to women of other south east asian countries

however, china does have really great food, as well as kung fu, so im thinking china wins

On April 23 2004 06:26 FreeZEternal wrote:
Noth Korea should invade Japan -_-;; I bet they can take that country within 24 hours -_-;

On April 23 2004 06:24 Countdown wrote:


nice post, we want peace.

On April 23 2004 06:20 OriginalLogic wrote:
First, most countries hide the mistakes of the past. Japan is not the only country to do this. However, do you see all of European citizens holding German countrymen responsible for WWII? No. It happened in the past under a different government with different leaders, same as Japan. Second, as you said, this was an extremist that committed the so-called "terrorist" act, so why would you blame the entire country?

It's sad that China has become a nation of Japanese-bashers. It's really extremely ignorant and shows lack of tolerability of your people.

On April 23 2004 06:30 FreeZEternal wrote:
My grandparents' brothers are in noth korea, in the government..ekekek -_-;;; My granma want me to go to north korea to visit them -_-;;;;;

On April 23 2004 06:33 FreeZEternal wrote:
Anywayz!! I got beaten with a bunch of friends in china town cuz they thought we were Japanese!~OMFG!!!. We were with japanese girls in a club, something hapened and one dude scream: "GET THOSE JAPS~!"
no kidding -_- 10+ ppl were running toward us -_-;;; oMFG..almost bleed to death -_-;;;

On April 23 2004 06:46 FreeZEternal wrote:
In the US -_-;;; In china town -_-;; I got lucky that some chinese friends were there to stop the masacree T_T

On April 23 2004 06:49 FreeZEternal wrote:
You know, alcohol + japanese language(girls were speaking in japanese ) = FIght -_-;;

On April 23 2004 06:20 OriginalLogic wrote:
First, most countries hide the mistakes of the past. Japan is not the only country to do this. However, do you see all of European citizens holding German countrymen responsible for WWII? No. It happened in the past under a different government with different leaders, same as Japan. Second, as you said, this was an extremist that committed the so-called "terrorist" act, so why would you blame the entire country?

It's sad that China has become a nation of Japanese-bashers. It's really extremely ignorant and shows lack of tolerability of your people.

On April 23 2004 06:54 FreeZEternal wrote:
Anywayz, I hope some day South and Noth come together as one country+_+
Resources in the NOrth + Technology in South and industries = Strong Korean peninsula;;

On April 23 2004 06:56 Hot_Bid wrote:


You have no idea what you are talking about. [This is in reference to your next post about Germany] The current Japanese government denies certain massacres in China ever happened--Germany obviously recognizes what the Nazi's did. As for "tolerability" please shut up about issues you have no educated perspective on. It's hard to be tolerable when the atrocities committed in World War 2 were only a generation or two away--grandmothers and grandfathers. Please try and be a little more understanding before you make general statements about an entire nation okay?

On April 23 2004 03:42 Hautamaki wrote:
they kicked YOUR ass in WW1 lol

On April 23 2004 05:20 Tricky wrote:




fuck off russians u r country s just abt to be extinctedd in the history book gl

On April 23 2004 07:07 AgonyRush wrote:

you make me sad.

On April 23 2004 07:18 AgonyRush wrote:
Ok. read the whole thread and seriously, its dumb as hell. You say japanese dont say sorry to you. You are few generations away from the war why the fuck should they ask for your forgivness? You didnt fucking fought in it, even your parents didnt. So what is exactly your problem? Apart from that i think it is allowed for them to hate the rest of the world- two nukes thrown on them give them that right. And its we, who should say sorry for what happened to them.

On April 23 2004 07:21 AgonyRush wrote:
i do. oh. i really really do.

On April 23 2004 07:23 we want peace wrote:



You should appologize for the Koreans because of korean war, you should say sorry to Vietnamnese, because of the war,you should say sorry to Yugoslavia, because of your war, you should also feel guilty to the Iraqis, because you invade their home!

However, it's quite right that you throw the two nukes on Japan. Becaue before that, millions innocent people in Asia were killed or raped by the Japanese army.

On April 23 2004 07:25 FreeZEternal wrote:
Think about this way. Lets say Japan owned your ass 60 years ago. They enslaved you, kill thousands of ppl. Raped,murder,enslave, do whatever the shit they want. Then you get liberated somehow. ALl their goverment has changed and stuff. You respect their new government,and learders because everything was past. But wouldn't you expect them to respect what hapenned in the past? At least show some respect? What would you do if they changed their history saying that nothing has hapenned,saying that they didn't do anything wrong? Is that showing respect toward your country?

On April 23 2004 07:32 AgonyRush wrote:

i do feel sorry for them. i can tell you that american wars are the dumbest there are, Yugoslavua, Vietnam, Iraq, all started for shit of a reason. But saying nukes are the right decision is the dumbest thing i heard. You kids have trouble understanding what nuke is and what radiation is. Its the scariest thing there is. You cant hide from it. And it is there forever. Well not forever, just for couple hundreds thousands of years...

On April 23 2004 07:37 AgonyRush wrote:

i didnt read their books. and until i do i cant tell you my opinion on that.
And if they dont respect the past so be it. What good can come out of hate? another war? Thats what you want? To enslave em? They paid for what they've done. Enough.

On April 23 2004 07:37 we want peace wrote:




You don't have to tell me the harmful effect of nukes!

But I can tell you, before you throw nukes to Japan, millions of innocent lives passed away because of the invasion of Japan!

DO you want to know how the Japanese soldiers raped and killed the pregnant women and put her baby on the sword? Do you want to know the match designed for killing Chinese people?

You are welcome at any time to Nanjing Massacre war mmemorial!

On April 23 2004 07:40 AgonyRush wrote:
I was born in USSR. My granddad and grandmom saw the war with their very own eyes. So I do have enough scary stories to tell you myself. But thats fucking war. Thats what is done during war.
Do they still continue doing it?

no? but they refused it, saying that they never have done it

On April 23 2004 07:45 AgonyRush wrote:


well, how is it bad? that means they are so embaressed of what they've done, that they deny it.

On April 23 2004 07:44 we want peace wrote:






I should tell you, I hate war, as have been mentioned above many times. And my name is we watn peace, which is a good expression of my wish.
So, I know the importance of peace!
I hope that you know English better than me!
And Japan was one of those that initiated, why didn't you say anything about that?

On April 23 2004 07:48 we want peace wrote:


SO I'm sorry to say that your words is the dumbest that I have ever heard!For your words lack justice!

On April 23 2004 07:46 FreeZEternal wrote:
That means that they are irresponsible cowards not admitting their crimes.

On April 23 2004 07:49 AgonyRush wrote:

the thing is, we hate a lot of people already, people who done something bad to us. And hating people, for something they didnt do(not tell the world the truth), or for what their ansectors do, its just too much.

On April 23 2004 07:53 we want peace wrote:


It is mad for me to love some one that once hurt me and deny saying sorry to me.
And it's an ilogical action too!

On April 23 2004 07:52 FreeZEternal wrote:
its not too much. You and me have been educated in a different sociey. We have been influenced by different medias. I respect your opinion about this issue. But I have to say that Japan is not respecting other countries, it is hidding from its war crimes. It is trying to "erase" history by changing their history books. That is showing their lack of respect toward other countries.

On April 23 2004 07:54 AgonyRush wrote:


When the fuck did they hurt you?

On April 23 2004 08:00 we want peace wrote:


Can you understand English?

I have made it quite clear in the past posts what the Japanese soldiers did in the past! Why are you blind to that?
I'm wondering whether you have any ability to read!

On April 23 2004 07:54 AgonyRush wrote:


When the fuck did they hurt you?

On April 23 2004 08:00 FreeZEternal wrote:
I can't explain. YOu have to feel it.

On April 23 2004 08:03 we want peace wrote:


I do hope that you can calm yourself down and read the post carefully before saying anything about it! Or it will be too rash for you to express your idea!

On April 23 2004 08:05 AgonyRush wrote:

So its just a mood thing. "I wanna kill some japanese people because i feel like that!"
If you fucking hate em so much go get the fucking gun, go fucking in the street find some japanese kid and fucking shoot him. I bet you will feel better! and then fucking explain to his parents that you shot him because some fucking guy killed a baby 45 years ago. Im sure they'll understand. Yeah and after you explain that to them fuckin shoot em too. Youll feel better.

On April 23 2004 05:03 we want peace wrote:


And I respect Germany as well.
Germany, France and Japan are competing for the right to build the high-velocity railway in my country. Browsing the BBS, you can easily find that most Chinese refuse to give any chance to Japan.
I think it a good business chance for Germany and France!

On April 23 2004 08:05 FreeZEternal wrote:
And stop using the word fucking+fuck. Why is it that every single english sentence has to have the word fuck? Do you say fuck+fucking in front of your parents? WTF?

On April 23 2004 08:03 AgonyRush wrote:


you still didnt tell me how the fuck did they hurt YOU!

YOU!

On April 23 2004 08:07 Schnake wrote:


If I ever get the chance to go to or to work in China, then I will surely do that! I am kinda attracted by the Chinese culture as it combines traditional with modern aspects and definitely will take a major role in the future... =)

On April 23 2004 08:07 FreeZEternal wrote:

I think you have been living in this thing called the american dream. Stop dreaming and wake up. This is the real world. You will never understand what koreans feel about this issue.

On April 23 2004 06:58 we want peace wrote:


Yeah,strong peninsula benefits China as well. And that time ,my wish that we want peace can come true completely.

On April 23 2004 08:11 AgonyRush wrote:

ROFLMAO. Now we're entering random insults stage? GJ. I dunno what the fuck are you bringing american dream up for, but i never being living it, not even close.

On April 23 2004 08:09 we want peace wrote:
Yeah,listen!

They initiated ww2. They killed and raped inncocent people, the number of which was over 300,000 in a single place in Nanjing on the day of Dec 9 1937. AT that time, they held the match in killing Chinese people.

After the war, the Chinese government exempted the war compensations from Japan. And many famlies raised and brought up the Japanese orphans in China.

But today, they denied the existence of ww2, their priminister momerizes the war criminals in a certain temple every year, and some rightist shouts that they will kill back to Asia once again.

Is it enough?

On April 23 2004 08:14 Wildchild wrote:


I hope a united Korea comes soon or at least North Korea gives up its Nuclear Weapons. If both of these don't occur, everyone in the region will also pursue them. That includes Japan.

On April 23 2004 08:14 we want peace wrote:
It's you who wants to bring the stage into insults. Cause you seem not to leave the rude word "fuck", do you?
And your rudeness should be the fuse

On April 23 2004 08:16 AgonyRush wrote:

WW2 was initiated by hitler. And there were much more Russian people dead, then Chinese or Korean.
And i dont believe that they "deny the existence of ww2", noone can do that, stop lying.
And once again you fail to answer my question how did they hurt you(again, not some dudes 45 years ago). Did some japanese kids jump you or something?

On April 23 2004 08:18 AgonyRush wrote:

I never insulted you. Or are you saying that you newver swear? that even seeing word 'fuck' insults you?

(to say 'fucking shit' is not to insult someone, its different from 'fuck you')

On April 23 2004 08:19 we want peace wrote:
They deny the exsitence of ww2 by failing to say sorry to Asia.

They didn't jump me, but they jumped and killed my countrymen. So, that's the very reason that I hate Japan!

On April 23 2004 08:21 we want peace wrote:
The word "fuck"or"shit"of yours insulted you but not me! It's a symbol of the lack of education of you!

On April 23 2004 08:22 AgonyRush wrote:

they dont have to. they didnt do it.

50 YEARS AGO!!!!

On April 23 2004 08:26 we want peace wrote:
You will never understand the feeling of Asians to Japan. And I don't need you to. Beacause you are not Asians, and you have a different way of thinking.
But remember, you canot prevent us from asking for apology from Japan for what they have done. It's our right to do so. And we will never give up that easily because of you r objection!

On April 23 2004 08:27 FreeZEternal wrote:
Agony -_-we are the good ppl. Other koreans are just so hardcore -_-;

On April 23 2004 08:27 AgonyRush wrote:
I really hope to see opinions of other asian people. Because this two just scare me.

On April 23 2004 08:29 AgonyRush wrote:

do whatever you want, i can not stop you.

On April 23 2004 08:29 AgonyRush wrote:

jackie chan seems quite nice^^

On April 23 2004 08:30 we want peace wrote:
It's your right! But if you ask some one in a city of China, what's the opinion of Japan they have. I'm sure most of them will show a negative attitude!

On April 23 2004 08:35 longer_23 wrote:
That's right but the sad fact is most young kids in china today still buy into Japanese pop culture. coz we dont have a thriving pop culture of our own.

On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.

On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.

On April 23 2004 11:35 OriginalLogic wrote:
Wow...you people seriously don't know how to read or form opinions. You just take your parents assumptions and opinions and use them as your own.

Go read my posts again. I said nothing about these things being ok. I even said that the Japanese government SHOULD issue an apology, but you're treating every Japanese person like shit for things they didn't do. Grow up.

On April 23 2004 11:45 iggs999 wrote:
flamed who

On April 23 2004 11:13 SW)RIF wrote:
how is that the same boat? racial profiling verse begrudged china and korea? Last i knew, Japan didnt patrol those areas. =P

Btw i dislike the cop that truly hates black people and writes off a ticket just because they are black. Although i would agree that if you are a cop in LA, pulling over a suspicious Black guy may yield a more meaningful bust. Its a sad truth, and an even less of a fine line than hating a culture all together.

On April 23 2004 11:54 koehli wrote:
We have had this discussion in Germany a lot. "Collective guilt" vs "Personal Innocence". In how far can you be responsible for the deeds of your parents? Can you inherit guilt?

The more individualistic your culture is (ahem USA = max ? ^^) the more likely you will plead for personal innocence. The more community related you culture, the more likely you will be to see the collective guilt of a person as part of it's identity within a group.

I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this forum, backgrounds are just to diverse which makes it quite interesting, :D

On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.

On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.

On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.

On April 23 2004 14:19 SuperJongMan wrote:
Well, Japan's ok. It's rightists afterall, can't blame the govt. The text book shit was LOW. Japs are full of themselves at times .. a lot of times. Then again, so are most asians? Well, Jap girls sorta suck imo. They suck at sex, that's what i wanted to really say.

On April 23 2004 14:37 SuperJongMan wrote:
Cute as in... sounding like you are raping them? Yeah real cute? -_-;; Sounds like dying dog. It's nasty and annoying.

On April 23 2004 11:24 iggs999 wrote:



people like you really dont deserve to live. i can openly say that.
it would be interesting how your perspective would change if your mother or grandmother had been raped and 99% of your family was killed off. "oh its cool dude, i cant go on living in resentment JUST CUZ MY FAMILY WAS SLAUGHTERED"
dont insult we want peace's english, he actually has surprisingly GOOD english, gj peace. he has proven to be a very courteous logical and unrash forumer unlike yourself who has only contributed worthless crap and ignorant opinions. go take your life


STFU

On April 23 2004 14:45 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
i only read about half of this, but we want peace and freez seem to talk a lot of crap :p I mean sure, the Japs did lots of bad things during the war, but so did the koreans, and the chinese, but wait, it seems we can ignore that fact as the japs are all evil and should die!!

I mean, at least think about it before posting :/ And your main argument seems to stem from their history books being wrong, and not saying sorry, well im fairly sure that almost all countries will have different accounts of the same historical events, big deal.

It would be much more mature to forgive japan, seeing as these events happened at least 50 years ago, and see that it isn't the same japan. I hold people with this 'omg look at the terrible things they did in the past, i hate that country' mentality to be fairly immature, on par with people who still blame germany today for WW2.

On April 23 2004 14:55 FreeZEternal wrote:

PLz, if you don't know anything about this, don't post comments that do not make sense. You country have never been in this situation. Has germany tried to change history over what happened in ww2 in Britain? NO? Also, this is the difference of our cultures. You have been influenced by the media over there, so I did over here. This is the opinion of the majority in korea. This is the difference between eu and asia.We look things at a different angle. SO stop saying this is crap and that is crap. I think you should think about what you have said.

On April 23 2004 14:39 DV8 wrote:
I thought you were christian or is that just a selective thing? I think who should be allowed to live is not for you to decide I for one agree with original logic in that hate breeds hate and the way to peace is love my friend. Remember if everyone followed the philosophy of love your enemy than there would be no enemies.

On April 23 2004 15:20 OriginalLogic wrote:


That's Obsolete you're thinking of That's not me

On April 23 2004 15:26 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:


my point is that all countries do 'bad' things to over countries, holding this against them 60 years on solves nothing. So what if their government doesn't report the history correctly, that means you should hate the whole country? Its nothing to do with how you were brought up, the media blah blah blah, its your own personally decision. If you wish to hold this against japan, then fine, but its fairly childish. My grandad was in the holocaust, and went through some pretty bad things. Therefore i should blame the current germany? Of course not.

edited cause i cant spell

On April 23 2004 12:44 Toff wrote:
In this discussion and related once, there is one thing that strikes me. Americans would maybe be better equiped to understand others if they had someone invade their country. Americans know war (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc), but they have never been invaded and had their woman raped.

If Germany to this day hadn't really owned up to what they did, and tried to take holocaust out of their history books. Picture germany celebrating Goebbels, Goring, Himmler, etc as national heroes.... I can tell you similar feelings would exist in europe. Germany has taken responsibility though, so these anti-german sentiment doesn't exist. Although my grandparents who lived during the german occupation still haven't forgot, even if Norway were treated very nice compared to other nations. Still, when I rooted for Germany vs France in the 1986 world cup semifinal my grandfather wasn't very pleased....

But since germany owned up, my generation doesn't have anything against germans or germany.

Wether or not Japan is removing history from their books, and celebrates war criminals like the Chinese/Koreans say I have no idea. But if the do, I have no problem seing where they are coming from.

On April 23 2004 12:00 Orlandu wrote:
First off, I haven't read more than the first, 8th, and 9th pages of this thread. Anyway, I'm not Japanese, but I have studied the culture and language for quite some time now (and not by means of anime or any of the stuff) so I'm well aware of their actions and what kind of people they are. And... while I'm usually pretty pacifistic and think people should be forgiven for their crimes, the Japanese did some very, very horrible things, and I can sympathize in every way for the Koreans and Chinese that hate them.

I've seen many, many pictures and have been told many gruesome stories about the Japanese, through first-hand experiences, from books, and from Japanese themselves. I have to say it's some of the most brutal and heartless things I've ever seen done to another human being.

With that said, it is also no secret that the Japanese are extremely stuck on honor and pride, so it isn't surprising at all that the Japanese are reluctant to own up to or apologize for many of their actions. It would horribly disgrace them, and the Japanese do not disgrace themselves.

Although I have no problem with the Japanese (obviously, as I've studied so much about them), I can completely see where much of the Chinese and Korean hatred comes from. Although yes they should probably be a little more forgiving, they certainly have reason to be a little wary of the Japanese. It's not something many non-asian cultures can understand very easily. What the Japanese are like and have done is something Americans and Europeans just aren't exposed to much and don't have much experience with. Yes, many of the atrocities were from another generation, but it's more than just the atrocities that create the hatred: it's how the Japanese are, the Japanese way of doing things.

My sensei was born briefly after World War II, and it's true that the Japanese have tried to hide a lot of their crimes. But there are many of them that are aware of the crimes and don't approve of them. Just remember that... they are human. Even though it is against their nature to disgrace themselves, they are human and some do have regret for their sins.

For those of you who do hold them in contempt, just try not to hold too much against the Japanese. Whether you have all the reason in the world to hate them or not, people do change over time, even a culture of people. And even before that, just remember that not everyone gets to have a say in what their country is responsible for.

On April 23 2004 08:41 AgonyRush wrote:


Oh i So do hope that all of you will follow their example and be more tolerant. So one day hopefully you all will be one big happy asian family!^^

On April 23 2004 11:24 iggs999 wrote:



people like you really dont deserve to live. i can openly say that.
it would be interesting how your perspective would change if your mother or grandmother had been raped and 99% of your family was killed off. "oh its cool dude, i cant go on living in resentment JUST CUZ MY FAMILY WAS SLAUGHTERED"
dont insult we want peace's english, he actually has surprisingly GOOD english, gj peace. he has proven to be a very courteous logical and unrash forumer unlike yourself who has only contributed worthless crap and ignorant opinions. go take your life


STFU

On April 23 2004 11:42 OriginalLogic wrote:
Just stop judging every Japanese person for the actions of a few.

Thanks.

On April 23 2004 12:08 iggs999 wrote:


Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

um, because they were the ones who experienced and had stories passed down whereas everyone else read it in their history book wtf

How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

how can anyone justify genocide against a people who havent been reconciled?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

because all it takes for those individuals is to appologize for actions which they did not commit, as an result this puts no blame on them directly and shouldnt be that hard to do yes?

"Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? "

once again, all it takes is an apology, if you cannot admit an apology you deserve to discriminated against regardless of whether it was you who did it or your parents, you are indirectly related, and ALL IT TAKES IS AN APOLOGY WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ASDJKL;AFDLFJK

On April 23 2004 16:12 dronebabo wrote:
fine.

i want an apology for you chinese helping north koreans in the korean war. maybe we would have a unified nation right now if you people did not butt in.

are you happy now?

On April 23 2004 16:12 dronebabo wrote:
fine.

i want an apology for you chinese helping north koreans in the korean war. maybe we would have a unified nation right now if you people did not butt in.

are you happy now?

On April 23 2004 16:22 dronebabo wrote:
no not really. i like enjoying my democratic freedom. would u want to be living in a communist or democratic country?

the u.s. was merely helping south korea fight against a communist side. basically thats what i like.

i dont dislike the U.S.'s involvement in the korean war. i dislike china's only. ONLY.

On April 23 2004 16:23 dronebabo wrote:
and yes, whoever said you should liberate tibet. you should.

dont be saying jap this jap that if you guys do bad shit yourselves.

On April 23 2004 16:35 dronebabo wrote:
ok, how about u first learn english, then understand what i'm trying to say.

i am not saying we should liberate china, but the chinese government itself should free the tibetan people from chinese rule.

you people went into tibet and basically conquered it with your massive military compared to their nothing.

tell me if that's worth being proud of, and if you still are proud of that, i say you are a fucking idiot, and worthless. good day "we want peace"

oh and i never said i feared communist rule. i said i PREFER democracy to communism because i have more freedom. china isn't even all that communist no more.

my own partial opinion? should i take china, cut it in half and create two separate countries?

i'm pretty sure a lot of koreans will agree with me that china shouldn't have interefered by helping north koreans.

On April 23 2004 16:45 AgonyRush wrote:
oh... this topic is full of hate, someone should close it.

On April 23 2004 16:43 we want peace wrote:
Stop your rude words which shows your lack in education!

It's your own right to continue your unfair feelings and twisted opinion about CHina! And it's your own opinion to ingnore the public opinion of China , shouting we want to lerbrate Tibet, and the result of which is doing nothing because of your coward nature!

You want democracy, but you are ignoring other people's opinion. So it's the democracy of yours but not other people's!

Stop your hypercritical