EPTTeacher Beats Student - Page 10
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
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condoriano
United States826 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:44 Hawk wrote: But... I thought Texans wanted teachers to beat their kids if necessary to keep them in line?? Amazing cause and effect transition. Basically the system that you are protecting caused this to happen and you are raging about physical punishment out of nowhere which actually didn't cause this at all (it's the opposite). Some twisted ways of providing a point, basically insulting your own intelligence rofl. Probably beating this child while he still had a small chance to evolve into a human being would have taught him to be respectful. No one even knows what exactly this kid did before teacher snapped and how long he was doing it for. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
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ArKaDo
France121 Posts
Well, school sucks. | ||
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rAize
Germany135 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:42 KwarK wrote: There was a similar case in the UK recently where a group of kids decided to collectively bully their teacher while secretly filming it to see how far they'd have to go and try and get a funny reaction. The guy snapped, grabbed a metal weight thingy and started smashing one of the most annoying ones in the head screaming "die!". Kids can often bully teachers terribly. In this case the student just got hit a few times while the teacher lost their career and marketable skill. I have more sympathy for the teacher. Funny how you compare this case to anything else, thats what alot of people do. But its wrong. What in this case makes you have more sympathie for the teacher? I dont wanna hear anything that the kid did some bully joke about females, coz that doesnt matter a bit. She coulda done something else, she lost her job because there is something seriously wrong with her. She lost her job because every actions has it consequences and she is responsible for them herself. So, u got sympathie for her? Then you my friend, are fucked up aswell. If that was yor kid, would you say: hey son, u only got beat a few times, poor teacher, poor teacher. Im sure your kid would smash your face in a few years later. | ||
micronesia
United States24750 Posts
On May 15 2010 00:32 Ganondorf wrote: Aren't there other disciplinary methods, supensions, expulsions ? I know corporal punishment is out of the question in western world schools, but there's alot of alternatives. You want to make fun of kids with disabilities ? Have fun staying in elementary school for 20 years :D Teachers are discouraged from referring students often for discplinary action. The illusion of lots of alternatives is common among those who don't teach. Not to say that management is impossible... but it's often quite difficult. Schools can't threaten to fail kids since they won't.... they lose funding etc if the do. The kids know they won't get held back for being assholes.. | ||
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X3N0N
United States78 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 14 2010 16:32 Manifesto7 wrote: At the end of the day removing her only leaves a vacancy in the system, and the system has shown it is willing to fill the vacancy with people like her. Obviously she has to go, but without addressing the route problems that you stated nothing will change. She isn't unnatural as to be an abberation that won't repeat, she is just unfit for the job, which is a common trait among many people. I agree and a very large problem with the system is that teachers here have almost no accountability to be a good teacher. You mention that being unfit for the job is a common trait among many, and when you look at the statistics for teacher firings, most districts fire maybe 1 out of every 1,000 teachers. Last year Los Angeles fired 3 out of 30,000, or NY fired 5 out of 50,000. There's gotta be more than 3 crappy teachers out of 30,000. I had a teacher in high school for Geography that let us watch Jerry Springer every other day. I had a health teacher in middle school that smoked in class. A health teacher ffs. (not my class, but my friend told me she smoked in his class and I'm 99% sure he is telling the truth for a variety of reasons." You know there is a problem with the teacher's union when you can lecture kids about the risks of second hand smoke while smoking in front of them and not lose your job. | ||
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micronesia
United States24750 Posts
On May 15 2010 01:34 BlackJack wrote: I agree and a very large problem with the system is that teachers here have almost no accountability to be a good teacher. You mention that being unfit for the job is a common trait among many, and when you look at the statistics for teacher firings, most districts fire maybe 1 out of every 1,000 teachers. Last year Los Angeles fired 3 out of 30,000, or NY fired 5 out of 50,000. There's gotta be more than 3 crappy teachers out of 30,000. I had a teacher in high school for Geography that let us watch Jerry Springer every other day. I had a health teacher in middle school that smoked in class. A health teacher ffs. (not my class, but my friend told me she smoked in his class and I'm 99% sure he is telling the truth for a variety of reasons." You know there is a problem with the teacher's union when you can lecture kids about the risks of second hand smoke while smoking in front of them and not lose your job. Pretty much everything you said is completely wrong... I don't even have time to explain to you (from my hall duty) exactly how wrong your information and conclusions are. To be revisited I guess. User was warned for this post | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On May 15 2010 01:40 micronesia wrote: B Pretty much everything you said is completely wrong... I don't even have time to explain to you (from my hall duty) exactly how wrong your information and conclusions are. To be revisited I guess. Quoting someone just to say they are wrong and not backing it up has no meaning whatsoever. You may as well quote him and say "I enjoy eating pickles on Sundays". | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 15 2010 01:40 micronesia wrote: B Pretty much everything you said is completely wrong... I don't even have time to explain to you (from my hall duty) exactly how wrong your information and conclusions are. To be revisited I guess. Pretty much completely wrong? I'm sure the personal experience part isn't wrong, and I would be very interested in knowing if the stats I cited are wrong. I actually just made them up / paraphrased them from Bill Maher. He had Randi Weingarten on the show. She is the President / former President of some big teacher unions. Word for word he said, "in 2006 3 of 30,000 teachers in NYC were fired. In LA, 11 of 43,000 teachers were fired" and she didn't seem to dispute that at all so I assumed the statistics are not that far off. He asked for her response and she basically gave some bogus political answer like "we are trying harder to get better performance reviews yadda yadda" which is where I drew my conclusion that there isn't a lot of accountability. Anyway her answer really sucked so if you have a better response to my post maybe you should have her job lol. Maybe I am wrong about it being a union thing, but I don't think it's that wrong of a statement to assume teachers are hard to fire. In fact if I read the news correctly the teacher in this video wasn't even fired until the video came out. I wouldn't be too surprised if she wasn't fired if there was no video because kids probably don't like to rat their teachers out since it may effect their grade. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:44 micronesia wrote: Oh shit I'd love to take one of those classes! Where do I sign up?? They don't usually offer those in teacher education programs... not that she did one anyway? I'm a teacher, I have been working as a math/science teacher in middle school for the past 2 years. These courses are offer by the school district where I work, some of them are free, some are paid, and some are paid and required by the district. staff development is paid for by the district. So micronesia if you are interested please PM me your resume, I will pass it on to human resource, and once you are hired you will be able to take some of these classes LOL indeed. | ||
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
On May 15 2010 01:21 micronesia wrote: Teachers are discouraged from referring students often for discplinary action. The illusion of lots of alternatives is common among those who don't teach. Not to say that management is impossible... but it's often quite difficult. Schools can't threaten to fail kids since they won't.... they lose funding etc if the do. The kids know they won't get held back for being assholes.. That was a private school ? Sorry we don't have too many of those in Italy or Europe in general. School is (still) public here and you can take all disciplinary actions you want, even month long suspensions, and if it's not obligatory school, expulsions without caring for funding. When i went to school (well that's quite a few years back(13 i think), but i guess it's still that way) you could get rejected in school for bad behavior, and after 3 years, automatic expulsion would occur. I guess Obama has to start working at public school a little now that you have universal sanitation. | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
She needs to be fired but like many have already mentioned, this leaves a gap that needs to be filled. Teachers are underpaid and under appreciated for the amount of shit they have to traul through every year. | ||
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InfoDav
Canada46 Posts
However, you can kid yourself all year long all your life, it doesn't change the fact that teachers nowadays are alot more disrespected on by students. (Hell, there is even examples of this in this thread...) It's common nowadays for students to beat teachers whether psychologically or physically. Students spit on their teachers, they beat them, they insult them, alot more frequently than 20 years ago. It IS a problem, a known problem. Teachers aren't formed for that. Most of the teachers cursus include AT MOST 2 course about this subject, and it's usually very limited. If it keeps going like that for a long time, there won't be any teachers left, conditions are too bad, salaries are too low. And yes, sadly, it's probably due to bad parenting for most of the time. Alot of families nowadays can't have the luxury to have 1 parent there 100% of the time to raise a children. And we can see the results. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:52 M155_G33k wrote: Holy crap. That was brutal. Glad the teacher got fired. That is just way to overboard. I know in some schools, there really isn't any good punishment for stuff like bullying but damn. Brutal? The kid got slapped for shits sake. Yes the teacher should have been fired but please stop acting like the child will be emotionally scarred for the rest of his life. His teacher was doing what his parents should have done from the start honestly. The kid was being a little shit. | ||
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Kashmir
New Zealand178 Posts
Sure some people will probably QQ over what I'm saying but I'm a firm believer in strong parenting. It builds good character and helps raise healthy adults. | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On May 15 2010 03:24 Jayme wrote: Brutal? The kid got slapped for shits sake. Yes the teacher should have been fired but please stop acting like the child will be emotionally scarred for the rest of his life. His teacher was doing what his parents should have done from the start honestly. The kid was being a little shit. I would generally disagree with what you are saying but I was hospitalised by some asshole recently who fucked me up pretty bad but I'm all good now... I doubt this kid even had bruises. I think her actions were unacceptable and she deserves to lose her job and face some jail time for assaulting a minor, but we shouldn't exaggerate the severity of the attack. I know this was already posted but THIS IS BRUTAL LOL On May 14 2010 06:01 KwarK wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7108423.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 | ||
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