EPTTeacher Beats Student - Page 9
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
In the end, she is going to suffer far worse than the kid obviously. And at 13, the kid may very well be aware of that. As for people saying teachers should be able to deal with a classroom full of 13 year olds who have no respect and don't care about learning... Well, teachers are just normal people too, and that is a position that would be ridiculously difficult. The worst school in terms of disobedience still need to have teachers... and I feel really badly for them. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On May 14 2010 14:27 Jonoman92 wrote: I kinda agree with KwarK and I think Manifesto said it very well. As bad as the video looks I'm guessing she's not just a violent lunatic. She was probably pushed to it and despite the fact that she should've been able to find a better way now she will never be able to get a job as a teacher again. I mean, she didn't do any serious physical harm right? In the end, she is going to suffer far worse than the kid obviously. And at 13, the kid may very well be aware of that. As for people saying teachers should be able to deal with a classroom full of 13 year olds who have no respect and don't care about learning... Well, teachers are just normal people too, and that is a position that would be ridiculously difficult. The worst school in terms of disobedience still need to have teachers... and I feel really badly for them. The physical harm part is a terrible argument. What if the women were very large and strong? What if it was a very built man? Then the kid might have gotten hurt badly. Just because the woman is physically weak and obviously was terrible at fighting doesn't mean she gets off easy. Being stressed is true, but a lot of jobs are stressful and if you can't take it, then get out. It says further that she never even had a teaching license because in California for charter schools you don't need one. She wasn't even trained to teach. The kid may be completely scared of teachers for the rest of his life and have a lot of development problems. He obviously was CORNERED, watch the video and he sunk down so scared. It's not that he was hitting her, he was trying to hide and she just ripped the desk away from him. She was violent and should not be in the school system. Good riddance. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
On May 14 2010 15:38 AppleTart wrote: Being stressed is true, but a lot of jobs are stressful and if you can't take it, then get out. It says further that she never even had a teaching license because in California for charter schools you don't need one. She wasn't even trained to teach. The kid may be completely scared of teachers for the rest of his life and have a lot of development problems. He obviously was CORNERED, watch the video and he sunk down so scared. It's not that he was hitting her, he was trying to hide and she just ripped the desk away from him. She was violent and should not be in the school system. Good riddance. At the end of the day removing her only leaves a vacancy in the system, and the system has shown it is willing to fill the vacancy with people like her. Obviously she has to go, but without addressing the route problems that you stated nothing will change. She isn't unnatural as to be an abberation that won't repeat, she is just unfit for the job, which is a common trait among many people. | ||
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BisuEver
United States247 Posts
On May 14 2010 14:27 Jonoman92 wrote: I kinda agree with KwarK and I think Manifesto said it very well. As bad as the video looks I'm guessing she's not just a violent lunatic. She was probably pushed to it and despite the fact that she should've been able to find a better way now she will never be able to get a job as a teacher again. I mean, she didn't do any serious physical harm right? In the end, she is going to suffer far worse than the kid obviously. And at 13, the kid may very well be aware of that. As for people saying teachers should be able to deal with a classroom full of 13 year olds who have no respect and don't care about learning... Well, teachers are just normal people too, and that is a position that would be ridiculously difficult. The worst school in terms of disobedience still need to have teachers... and I feel really badly for them. A lot of people seem to forget that teachers are human. | ||
micronesia
United States24723 Posts
On May 14 2010 13:50 rei wrote: wow, I don't agree with the teacher's actions, there are much better alternatives than a can of whoop ass. But I can relate to the teacher's anger. She needs to retake her student management classes lol. Oh shit I'd love to take one of those classes! Where do I sign up?? They don't usually offer those in teacher education programs... not that she did one anyway? | ||
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Hanners
United States142 Posts
I like to think that most teachers, like myself, go into the career with the best intentions: to help and to educate. Then, they get blind-sided by all the things they *didn't* consider before going in. There's a lot of posts talking about how a person who is prone to this kind of reaction shouldn't be teaching. Have any of you considered that maybe they never considered themselves to be someone who would do such a thing? That maybe it never crosses their mind that they would have to put up with shit-students prone to abusing others because their wishes and hopes and focus are to do genuine good for others? That they've never had to experience that level of stress before and so have no basis for which to gauge where their breaking point is? I know quite a few teachers/professors and they generally are the most run-down, unhappy people I have seen (with the occasional exception of kindergarten teachers). People are quick to judge others without actually thinking about the situation other than what some douchebag with a phone-camera records providing an extremely limited perspective instead of, you know, stepping in or at least saying something. What the fuck goes through people's minds when their first impulse is to reach for a camera to post the inevitable beatdown on the internet instead of doing something actually helpful in the moment. You're all fucking diseased. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:51 Hanners wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I wanted to be a teacher my whole life until I realized the being one is no longer about educating young minds. Now it's about suffering abuse everyday and not being able to do anything about it. Teachers are held to a higher standard than any other profession in the US as far as I can tell and are constantly criticized and have an extreme pressure to be able to handle all things perfectly. Imagine your job required perfection, how much would you expect to get payed? How long do you think you would last? I like to think that most teachers, like myself, go into the career with the best intentions: to help and to educate. Then, they get blind-sided by all the things they *didn't* consider before going in. There's a lot of posts talking about how a person who is prone to this kind of reaction shouldn't be teaching. Have any of you considered that maybe they never considered themselves to be someone who would do such a thing? That maybe it never crosses their mind that they would have to put up with shit-students prone to abusing others because their wishes and hopes and focus are to do genuine good for others? That they've never had to experience that level of stress before and so have no basis for which to gauge where their breaking point is? I know quite a few teachers/professors and they generally are the most run-down, unhappy people I have seen (with the occasional exception of kindergarten teachers). People are quick to judge others without actually thinking about the situation other than what some douchebag with a phone-camera records providing an extremely limited perspective instead of, you know, stepping in or at least saying something. What the fuck goes through people's minds when their first impulse is to reach for a camera to post the inevitable beatdown on the internet instead of doing something actually helpful in the moment. You're all fucking diseased. I agree completely, it's the same thing happening here too. Educating the youngsters must be awesome but take the bullies 24/7 and couldn't do sh*t about it must suck. You can say "don't be a teacher if you can't handle the children" but how can you possibly handle children who trashtalk to you and if you even shout to them they record it to their phone and you are f*cked. | ||
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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lowbright
308 Posts
i've known many kids that could have used a good beating or two. | ||
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pkm_trnr
9 Posts
I do agree with his ass getting handed to him. You're not a child at 13, you're 2 years away from being able to drive (with adult supervision) and taking other peoples lives in your hands. If a beating is what it took to teach him a little respect (and people saying it's fear not respect, you knew your dad could kick your ass when you were a kid regardless of whether or not he did that make you fear him or respect him?). Anyway, point is that he's close enough to being a man to be shown what happens to men when they are disrespectful to others. He was harassing a girl, in the real world when you harass a woman you're likely to get your ass beat. He learned a valuable lesson that day. That wasn't a beating btw. You people have no idea what a beating is if you think getting smacked around a few times is a beating. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 14 2010 16:32 Manifesto7 wrote: At the end of the day removing her only leaves a vacancy in the system, and the system has shown it is willing to fill the vacancy with people like her. Obviously she has to go, but without addressing the route problems that you stated nothing will change. She isn't unnatural as to be an abberation that won't repeat, she is just unfit for the job, which is a common trait among many people. It's always easier to pin a scape goat and say it was a "few bad apples" than actually address what's going on. By the time it happens again and people realize it's systemic, the administrators will have moved on to new jobs. | ||
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Fredoq
Sweden206 Posts
I would've NEVER hired her as a teacher! | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
What's also fucked up is that what allegedly set off the savage assault was that the kid was "teasing" a girl, i.e., a boy acting naturally. Brainwashing males to be submissive before the female starts early in our society, and is accomplished by some ugly methods. Incidentally, it takes a strong male authority figure to bring order to these unruly inner city classrooms. A man would simply not have had to resort to violence, under any circumstances. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
Each day some of them are facing a crowd of arrogant and violent kids prowd of their ignorance, therefore it is unavoidable that incidents like this one will sometimes happen, teachers are humans after all. Once the administration will truely be allowed to dismiss from school all the fucktards, it wouldn't necessarily resolve every problems, but everything will go far better. | ||
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micronesia
United States24723 Posts
On May 14 2010 21:04 maps wrote: Surely she could've just put him in detention, called his parents, sent him to the principal, suspended him, whatever. Beating him was such a dumb decision and will probably just screw him up even more. Detention often doesn't work. Calling parents is often all but useless. Sending him to the principal can work or it can be a good way to piss your boss off. There most likely were other ways for her to prevent that.... but it's very difficult to do, especially while trying to control a big group of students. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Children these day's have no respect in some cases, they don't want to come to school, they are literally only in school because they have to go. So how do you think someone is going to act if they do not want to be their? At the very least they just waste space at the worst, they act out, disrupt and in general make it harder to teach. Particularly problem students like the child in this video pushes teachers to the edge, and no class or course can prepare you for that. You can not just say "Oh well if he/she couldn't handle the stress he shouldn't be teaching." I really don't think you understand just how bad some of these children can be. We are not talking about 7-8 year olds it's teens acting up. These kids blatantly push and push and you know what, the school's don't care, the parents don't care and that leaves teachers holding the bag. | ||
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