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micronesia
United States24723 Posts
On May 15 2010 19:50 Brad wrote: Have you seen kids these days? They are scum. Some of them deserve a fist to the face. Even though there is some legit discussion about how kids are different/worse today than yesteryear... you do realize that people ALWAYS say this right? | ||
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Fosh
Sweden117 Posts
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Narwhal
United Kingdom314 Posts
On May 16 2010 00:13 micronesia wrote: Even though there is some legit discussion about how kids are different/worse today than yesteryear... you do realize that people ALWAYS say this right? No they don't. the guy has a good point , assault is an extremely high percentage of crimes. This is obvioulsy a little odd but like he said i'm sure (even though it is very wrong to hit a kid especially a strangers kid) these little fucks were pushing her to the limit - lets rename this thread "extremely annoying nasty little fucks push teacher to the limit" and then see. dont deny peoples opinions based on hear say. | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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Fosh
Sweden117 Posts
On May 16 2010 02:55 Narwhal wrote: No they don't. the guy has a good point , assault is an extremely high percentage of crimes. This is obvioulsy a little odd but like he said i'm sure (even though it is very wrong to hit a kid especially a strangers kid) these little fucks were pushing her to the limit - lets rename this thread "extremely annoying nasty little fucks push teacher to the limit" and then see. dont deny peoples opinions based on hear say. It doesn't matter what the kid does or says, you never do something like this, it's assault plain and simple. This is just a really rash action without any thinking. If a kid behaves like a real douche then you punish them like such. Physical beatings just isn't appropriate in the 21st century. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 16 2010 03:00 Fosh wrote: It doesn't matter what the kid does or says, you never do something like this, it's assault plain and simple. This is just a really rash action without any thinking. If a kid behaves like a real douche then you punish them like such. Physical beatings just isn't appropriate in the 21st century. I'm not sure I understand why Physical "beatings" is any less appropriate today than it was not even 2 decades ago. The only problem with the kid getting slapped is that it wasn't his parent doing it to him...like they should have to begin with. Getting hit isn't going to traumatize a kid for the rest of their lives okay? It just doesn't work that way. | ||
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Fosh
Sweden117 Posts
On May 16 2010 03:02 Jayme wrote: I'm not sure I understand why Physical "beatings" is any less appropriate today than it was not even 2 decades ago. The only problem with the kid getting slapped is that it wasn't his parent doing it to him...like they should have to begin with. Getting hit isn't going to traumatize a kid for the rest of their lives okay? It just doesn't work that way. That's some very interesting assumptions, besides she wasn't slapping him, as I saw it looked like a closed fist AND she kicked him in the back. The reason a physical beating isnt appropriate today is because we're more civilized then we were back 2 decades ago. But then I've always thought that violence does not solving anything, even if it's from his own parents. | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:45 keV. wrote: Don't make fun of other students or one day your teacher might snap and do what your parents should have. Hopefully, everyone takes a lesson from this. Obviously, teacher was out of line. Still valuable for the student who got rofl stomped. This might result in one less asshole in the world. Be positive. u are sick dude! get some help | ||
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Storm704
United States114 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
I also think that teachers plain and simply need to be paid more money. I live in the most wealthy area in Oregon, and our schools have the best paid teachers in the state. Yet even so, they cap out at like 60-70K/year. I think its just that a lot of people who would make great teachers, and would love to be great teachers, choose not to because the money isn't good enough. In my opinion, every teacher should not only require a Masters Degree, but they should also be paid much more. It should take a good person to be a teacher, and they should be rewarded for it. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: the world is backwards when a kid gets a well deserved roughing up and the person handing it out gets fired to save the schools public image Quoting and seconding. While I won't go into the entire psychological aspect of child beating here, as that's still far too circumstantial, opinionated and unsettled to actually draw solid conclusions from, what I will mention is the lack of context. What we see is some chick beating up a kid - of course the natural reaction is "Holy shit, this chick is crazy - poor kid!", since what you see is an adult beating up a relatively defenseless kid. But reading the article, this is obviously not a "random beating" of a "defenseless kid", but a targeted emotional release at someone who had caused these emotions to be built up in the first place. In other words, the kid has probably been acting like a shit towards the teacher/s and/or his co-students, and finally got what was coming for him. If he had not been a prick in the time leading up to this, the teacher wouldn't have flipped out, lost control and started beating him. The reactions in this thread mirror the reasons for this perfectly - "Oh, poor kid, crazy woman! She should be put in jail! It's an outrage! Defenseless kid, brutal teacher! Oh the horror!" People seems to follow a romanticized image of children, where they are defenseless, innocent and harmless beings, who we need to shield from harm. Of course, children are anything but harmless and innocent - they are underdeveloped physically and mentally, sure, and are not yet prepared for independent life, sure - but that does not mean they are not able to manipulate or hurt others, physically or mentally, with intent to cause harm. "But our children," some might say, "they're the future! They're innocent, they shouldn't have to suffer the fear of beatings!", which in turn leads to stricter rules in all child-caring parts of life, leading to no corporal punishment in school for misdemeanor. Some children, having the potential for hurting others, will use the leniency to their advantage, since there is no real punishment or consequence for it - maybe they'll get a detention, or get scolded, but the severity of these punishments are all light, as nobody wants to traumatize the child. The threat of this punishment is all sociological though - detention or scolding all want to make a person an "outcast in society", showing that you do not fit in with the "accepted way of things" - wether or not you will feel this punishment is up to wether or not you care about your place in society. With no real punishment, the children will lose respect for their authority figures since their actions are without real consequences, leading to escalated behaviour - the teasing will get worse, and the attempts from their teachers to make them stop, will be met with more resistance. On the flipside, corporal punishment hits something a lot more primal - the threat to your flesh is not, like the mental threats of detention and scolding, targeted at modern social structuring, but rather at your very being, your physical self, which is something you WILL feel the effect of, wether you care about your place in the world or not. Unlike mental disciplining, it is not something you can shrug off or ignore, because physical pain is so much more real than words or threats of social pariahness. Of course, like every other form of authority, it needs to be used with restraint. If everyone gets beaten for the tiniest overstep, the threat will lose its strenght as it is inevitable, but if it is used only in the most extreme cases, the threat will grow in strenght and keep those who need to be checked, in line, reaffirming some authority. If teachers were allowed to slap about kids showing extreme disrespect, chances are, a lot less would show the disrespect or need the beatings at all. The threat, as well as the random display of force would be enough to keep them in line, without constantly terrorizing them with the potential of reprecussions due to moderate behaviour. But of course, if parents actually raised their kids properly themselves instead of expecting to piggyback off social institutions in the first place, this wouldn't be a problem, so meh. | ||
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micronesia
United States24723 Posts
On May 16 2010 02:55 Narwhal wrote: No they don't. the guy has a good point , assault is an extremely high percentage of crimes. This is obvioulsy a little odd but like he said i'm sure (even though it is very wrong to hit a kid especially a strangers kid) these little fucks were pushing her to the limit - lets rename this thread "extremely annoying nasty little fucks push teacher to the limit" and then see. dont deny peoples opinions based on hear say. So the adults of 1980 didn't complain about how kids in 1980 were worse than the adults were 20-30 years prior? How are you concluding that? On May 16 2010 05:14 Mohdoo wrote: If teachers don't have the emotional stability and self control to put up with whiny brats (which I admit, is a pretty damn hard thing to have), they have no business being a school teacher. This has already been addressed in the thread... you should go back and make sure you read everything on this topic as some others explained the problem with that line of thought pretty well. Besides, if you admit it's very hard to do what that teacher needed to do then who should have been doing it? | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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micronesia
United States24723 Posts
On May 16 2010 09:33 Kare wrote: If that had been me, that teacher would not have had many teeth left. Wow so badass. You are like person number 10 to say "IN THAT SITUATION I'D TEAR THAT TEACHER A NEW ONE." Yes obviously if someone is attacking you you can defend yourself. Also, when an authority figure attacks you, it puts you in a difficult psychological situation and this is all very interesting but were you really trying to spark such a discussion? | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
On May 16 2010 09:39 micronesia wrote: Wow so badass. You are like person number 10 to say "IN THAT SITUATION I'D TEAR THAT TEACHER A NEW ONE." Yes obviously if someone is attacking you you can defend yourself. Also, when an authority figure attacks you, it puts you in a difficult psychological situation and this is all very interesting but were you really trying to spark such a discussion? LOOL | ||
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condoriano
United States826 Posts
On May 16 2010 09:33 Kare wrote: If that had been me, that teacher would not have had many teeth left. And if I was the teacher you would be licking my shoe begging to take my other foot out of your anus. Keep making statements, gully boy. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On May 15 2010 09:43 micronesia wrote: Have you seen classes like this in teacher preparation programs or only in-district classes? Who offers them? You are right, they don't prepare us enough during preparation programs I remember only 1 of such course during my graduate program, basically shits they talked about were dividing acting out student behavior into 7 stages and what to do during each stages to prevent further escalation of student behavior. There is no experimentation on how to recognize these stages in real scenario, because each student and each case is different, there is no systematic way of handling students. The class for me only served as a guideline on what is expected of the teacher. On the other hand, when you have your own class to mess around with, you can test what works and what does not by documenting encounters and test out strategies they teach during the district classes. Of course the result varies too, some works some don't, hit and miss, just have to keep trying and not get frustrated. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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