On May 14 2010 05:42 KwarK wrote: There was a similar case in the UK recently where a group of kids decided to collectively bully their teacher while secretly filming it to see how far they'd have to go and try and get a funny reaction. The guy snapped, grabbed a metal weight thingy and started smashing one of the most annoying ones in the head screaming "die!". Kids can often bully teachers terribly. In this case the student just got hit a few times while the teacher lost their career and marketable skill. I have more sympathy for the teacher.
Funny how you compare this case to anything else, thats what alot of people do. But its wrong. What in this case makes you have more sympathie for the teacher? I dont wanna hear anything that the kid did some bully joke about females, coz that doesnt matter a bit. She coulda done something else, she lost her job because there is something seriously wrong with her. She lost her job because every actions has it consequences and she is responsible for them herself. So, u got sympathie for her? Then you my friend, are fucked up aswell. If that was yor kid, would you say: hey son, u only got beat a few times, poor teacher, poor teacher. Im sure your kid would smash your face in a few years later.
It's funny how you dismiss comparisons to similiar cases, that's what a lot of people do. BUT IT'S WRONG!! Obviously hitting children isn't acceptable. I can't believe I'm still having to explain my position but whatever, let's go again. Hitting children is bad. Choosing to hit a child is bad. However having a violent breakdown in a high stress job while suffering from bullying and given inadequate support and training is understandable. It's not good. I don't want breakdowns. I don't think she should be rewarded for having a breakdown. I'm saying I don't hold her entirely accountable for her actions because there were mitigating circumstances. You my friend, are fucked up as well. I'm not sure why but it seems to be something you believe constitutes a valid point so I'll tack it onto whatever else I'm saying, regardless of relevance. I'm sure some kid should smash your car up.
Yes you are pretty right thus far, yet I do think she is responsible for all her actions, no matter what circumstances she had, I would have understood if he just slapped him across the face or something, but she looked like she was mentally unstable.
And yes some kid did smash up my car, unlucky for him I saw him doing it and broke his fingers to give him a lesson, but I dont get caught on tape.
I've been in situations where hitting a child would have made me temporarily feel better. It's really annoying when some kids just don't listen. I mostly blame parents if this happens. It takes self-control to keep oneself from doing that. Even more so to not even think about the option of using physical force.
That was seroiusly nothing. How do you think it was when your parents grew up?
Nowadays everything is considered brutal. I always think of the Simpsons episode when the Reverends wife is screaming "SOMEBODY plz plz THINK OF THE CHILDREN". This irony is just awesome in Simpsons
Love how people are whining about the psychological effects this could have. "He COULD become violent! He could become introverted or depressed!" He probably already was! I'm willing to bet that a kid who drives their teacher to beat them on camera in front of his class is already fucked in the head. All of these "but the child's psychology..!" comments are pure speculation, but that's another matter. One other thing- if this were an adult fighting another adult because s/he was insulted even once, people would have no problem with it. A kid harasses an adult for what was possibly years, so the adult finally blows up and kind of slaps him a bit, and this bitch deserves to die! The kid is thirteen- he knows what he's doing. They were recording it all on camera ffs.
I feel pretty sorry for the teacher, just because middle school kids are like fucking animals and most of them deserve this sort of shit. I don't want to see them getting seriously injured, but to say this video is brutal is laughable. The kid might have a slightly bruised face ... whoopee, that's nothing. There are fights at schools every day that are much, much worse. He didn't really take any clean hits, and even if he did it's only from a woman. And while you guys see one side of the story and say shit like "I can't believe the teacher has done this!" you clearly aren't taking into account the thousands of teachers who develop depression or simply grow to hate their own lives because of these awful kids and the shit they do.
What the teacher did was clearly idiotic. I pity her, but in the same way I pity idiots. Take control of your damn classes. If I were a middle school teacher I'd be yelling at kids constantly, threatening them with punishment, etc. Some of my teachers did that. Those were the ones who weren't stressed out. Your job is to teach, not to be their friends: teaching them well is better for them in the long run anyways, even if you're very strict. So yes I think it's perfectly acceptable for her to be fired for this because she clearly isn't fit for the job (there aren't many who are, in actuality). On the other hand, you have to feel sorry for her for obvious reasons: to call this "brutal" is a huge exaggeration. I doubt the kid even bled or bruised much. If it were a man, or even a female who knew how to fight, this could have been brutal. Instead, it's just depressing and stupid.
The reason a physical beating isnt appropriate today is because we're more civilized then we were back 2 decades ago.
More civilized? sigh. I guess removing corporal punishment from schools is a measure of our civility as human beings.
On May 18 2010 05:54 unknown.sam wrote: wow seemed like the teacher may have been teased a little too much when she was growing up. poor kid man, that's so traumatic.
Fuck the kid he must behave if he doesn't hes gonna get a lot of beatings in his life and this was just the first one...
This kind of ppl get their asses beat down quite often... she may have save his ass
On May 18 2010 04:33 InDaHouse wrote: That was seroiusly nothing. How do you think it was when your parents grew up?
Nowadays everything is considered brutal. I always think of the Simpsons episode when the Reverends wife is screaming "SOMEBODY plz plz THINK OF THE CHILDREN". This irony is just awesome in Simpsons
That's cauz of feminism. Damn those woman, if they had stayed in the kitchen, then we could have sex drogs & alcohol where ever we wanted...
You free them from their prison, and they thanks you by taking your balls away.
PS/ Seriously, I don't understand you who are defending that teacher. What do you think, that she is the victim? She is an adult, she has full responsability other what she do, UNLIKE A FREEKING 12 OLD BOY! No matter what you think, no matter your "what if he was really violent" "what if he teased her for days"... she is an adult and she must take responsability. When you choose to be a teacher, you accept it is not an easy job (in some way), because you will eventually face violent kids trying to test their limits. I usually like to think that there is more physical contact in a good fight than in a big hug. So I'm not against a good beating from time to time, it help you grow as you confront reality, but not from a teacher dammit!
honestly, i just don't care. the teacher is going to be punished, and because of how public this is, the punishment is likely going to be very severe. Much worse things happen every day, and i just cant bring myself to care even a little bit about this.
no we don't, we would have fail fail fail if we did, because the ability to open a can of ass whooping has nothing to say about why the student's behavior is wrong. The only thing a can of whoop ass would do for the kid is to help him recognize a cause-effect relationship between his ass getting whoop and his mouth running big. Which has nothing to do with teaching of reasoning and critical thinking about why he should not run his mouth.
On May 18 2010 07:44 dangots0ul wrote: i'd love to debate anyone who thinks the teacher was justified. it would just b to ezpz
Hasn't one of the major talking points of this thread been that we lack sufficient information/context to know what the heck led up to this? How the heck would you argue this in either direction? Besides, most if not all people who are saying they understand why the teacher did it aren't saying it was a good decision by the teacher or anything...
On May 18 2010 06:26 ArKaDo wrote: When you choose to be a teacher, you accept that it is not an easy job (in some way),
I basically agree with what you said (neutral on hitting in general) but... what did you mean by that?
Well, a noobenglish habit of putting that everywhere. I learned english in montreal, it's hard to follow there is like 3 pakistaneses and 2 chineses disturbing you each time you say a word the good way.
On May 18 2010 06:26 ArKaDo wrote: When you choose to be a teacher, you accept that it is not an easy job (in some way),
I basically agree with what you said (neutral on hitting in general) but... what did you mean by that?
Well, a noobenglish habit of putting that everywhere. I learned english in montreal, it's hard to follow there is like 3 pakistaneses and 2 chineses disturbing you each time you say a word the good way.
On May 18 2010 06:26 ArKaDo wrote: When you choose to be a teacher, you accept that it is not an easy job (in some way),
I basically agree with what you said (neutral on hitting in general) but... what did you mean by that?
Well, a noobenglish habit of putting that everywhere. I learned english in montreal, it's hard to follow there is like 3 pakistaneses and 2 chineses disturbing you each time you say a word the good way.
I'm joking !
Er I meant the bolded part not the word that...
You think working as a teacher is harder than being a cleaner in hospital or working like shit in a mcdonald? There is way worst job... in my country you work like between 10 & 18 hours a week as a teacher, depending on your grade. It's not a hard job for me.
That's why i added in some ways... teacher is hard because you can face difficult realities, violence from child, etc. But on the same time it's pretty easy jobs, without any physical part (except when you beat a child that is) and a job that is respected in our society.
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