EPTIpad, is it worth buying? - Page 22
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FragKrag
United States11566 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On April 21 2010 12:13 FragKrag wrote: Uh, Tegra is just an nvidia combination of what is normally on a motherboard along with an ARM cpu... That in response to me? I meant that 'within the confines of ARM, Tegra was an option'. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On April 21 2010 11:53 synapse wrote: - I am specifically referring to Adobe flash. Looking back at the slate-tablet computers, nearly all of them have flash. Not supporting flash was probably Apple's biggest mistake in the making of the iPad (besides the concept itself). All flash-based games, video-streaming and video hosting websites, as well as flash based (graphics-heavy) websites will not work on the iPad. Most of the multimedia applications used on Macs have no iPad counterparts - for example, Garageband. "nearly all" sounds like hyperbole to me. Realistically speaking, only Windows slates got a reliable implementation of Flash. Outside of that, official support is lackluster. 10.1 is not out yet, and Adobe has been promising Flash for mobile devices for at least a year. If you ask me, Apple not supporting Flash in the iPhone nor the iPad is one of their best decisions. For Apple, it means that their software stack does not rely on a component made by a third party with a horrible record of support and performance outside of Windows. As a user, I appreciate not having to deal with unreliable software as a core component, even if its the only way to access certain content. But the real impact is that as the iPod and iPad become more popular—and the lack of Flash support has not proven to be a long-term problem— Flash becomes less ubiquitous. As Flash becomes less ubiquitous, the faster alternative technologies will be supported and evolve. HTML5 video and canvas still cannot do everything Flash does, but they are gaining momentum. There already is a shift. Major Flash game providers are porting their games on the iPhone. Youtube, Vimeo, Netflix, Hulu, major news networks, etc. already support or are working on alternatives for video delivery. The fact that something is delivered via Flash on your PC no longer means that it is unsupported on devices without Flash. This is a good thing for consumers, regardless of Apple's motivations to not support Flash. And all this was largely jumpstarted by the iPhone. - (I'm not sure where you got the "Directed towards idiots" quote from ...) I never said I agreed with the statement, I only stated that the fact that Apple products feature much simpler interfaces led to people considering Mac users as "stupid." As a software developer, I consider this point of view extremely ironic. Straightforward does not mean simple, and a lot of buttons on the screen does not mean "for advanced users". Designing user interfaces is hard. Designing good user interfaces is *HARD*. Creating a good application workflow without flooding the application with buttons is *HARD*. And "advanced" users cannot see this? When it comes to well-thought, well-designed, "get stuff done" user interfaces, Apple is top notch. That's where my respect for Apple's software development comes from. The iPhone's user interface was revolutionary, as it changed the perception of how a mobile computer/smartphone is expected to work. Apple is moving the same paradigm with the iPad, and like it or not, it will shape the direction of user interaction for these devices. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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PikaFoO
Australia38 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:07 0neder wrote: ^ This man knows what's up. Sounds like regurgitated crap to me. I don't think that the Iphone's interface had much to do with it's popularity. It was simply the first real smart phone to come out. There are plenty of phones out now that do it better and I've subsequently seen a sharp drop in the iphone saturation. I see more and more people with Droids/Pre's/HTC's now than I do with Iphones because those devices are just you know...better... and now that specifically Android and Palm are starting to have huge app markets Apple no longer has the strangle hold it once had on the smart phone market. That being said the Iphone was a good product and I understand why people wanted to have one. I don't understand what the hell people would get an iPad for. It's a giant iPhone that you know...doesn't call. It is simply not a practical device. The Microsoft Surface demonstration is a practical device, the iPad is a netbook without simple features like...a USB drive. Typing on the iPad is a test in frustration and even my girlfriend who is a DIEHARD mac fan is trying hard to sell her iPad so she can at least get some of her wasted money back. I think apple has some good concepts, sometimes, even if they are geared for simplicity but the iPad is just...bad. | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
People should calm down about HTML5 killing Flash off though. HTML5 is nice but if iPhones/iPads can skip Flash it's mostly thanks to the countless apps that people have created specifically for these two devices. This isn't extensible to the entire market and Flash/Silverlight aren't disappearing anytime soon. | ||
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Maentwrog
United Kingdom17 Posts
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baal
10708 Posts
On April 21 2010 08:43 VManOfMana wrote: There is a big difference between "not appealing to me" and "piece of shit". And the general tone of this thread is the latter. I find it annoying not so much because I am an Apple fan (which I am) but rather because the conversation derails out of an intelligent merits/fault discussion. Its no secret that Apple does not try to appeal to everyone with their products. Oh, and the "I don't use Mac therefore I am smarter than you" attitude. Wasn't it long ago when Windows users were the stupid ones? Adding a bit of wood on the fire, Apple did their quarterly earning report. Amazing numbers. Also: http://gigaom.com/2010/04/19/adobe-ceo-has-his-own-reality-distortion-field/ sicne when were windows users the stupid ones? i mean from the point of view from a linux user then yeah, but never from an Mac user. | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
Finally got to use an iPad yesterday (friend of mine ebayed one) and something that I think gets misrepresented is the size. 'It's just a big iphone', I get that, that was my first reaction too, but actually using it I can see why that is actually important. Specifically, as a user experience designer, when using the larger multi-touch screen I can see the kinds of user interactions that I could utilise when developing iPad apps that just wouldn't be feasible on the iPhone. With the iphone you're reaching in to touch with the ends of your fingers, with the iPad your hand can hover and you're moving your whole hand. I feel this is a significant factor. Maybe a better way to describe would be: Imagine you're holding the iPhone in the palm of your left hand and your right hand is tapping away. Now imagine the iphone being bigger in the palm of your left hand. In the first scenario if you were to utilise 5 fingers then you're kind of limited in that they'll have to be pushed towards each other, in the second, it's more relaxed and they can spread out. That's where new interactions will come from imo. In short, my point is that the size of the iPad changes things a lot more than I expected, 'it's just a big iphone' ends up being a good thing. I realise that this is the same for any other tablet pc with a capacitive multitouch screen, I guess I just wanted to talk about this cos I hadn't thought about the implications before  On a semi-related note: When I was trying the on screen keyboard I was wary of my typing speed, making sure I was hitting the right keys, then as I upped the speed I was able to get to just about the speed I type on my laptop and I made no typos. Punctuation was a bit weird, and if I had to have typed capitals then I think I would have stuffed up, but I think that would come with time. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On April 21 2010 16:17 baal wrote: sicne when were windows users the stupid ones? i mean from the point of view from a linux user then yeah, but never from an Mac user. Ever since my OS/2 days, Windows users were the ones who didn't know better. Mac users always were in their own niche, so at least they got "better art tools" on their favor. I guess the shift didn't happen until Apple became popular after Jobs' return. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ I don't expect everyone to agree, but I understand their point of view. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
#2 is ridiculous. Apple has done as good of a job as you can of providing a web experience without Flash, but it's still not the same. It's only similar because there's devs to try and replicate Flash apps through the App store, but Flash iterations are almost universally better on top of being free. #3 is totally fair, and true. I think #4 is wrong, but we'll see in a few weeks when Android gets 10.1. All software decoding draws tons of power. Seems like #5 is easily fixable. 6 ties around to 1, and it's still full of crap, especially coming from Apple. #2 is really what it's all about and as a seller, it's a totally understandable decision. It still doesn't fall in line with providing a great user experience, though. Flash would not only take the heels out from under iAd, but the app store would be seriously damaged. Everyone knows this. But whatever, people can enjoy their iPhones. I'm downloading Skyfire 2.0 right now on my Droid, with flash streaming video. ^^ Update: Hulu doesn't quite work yet but OH MY GOD I CAN WATCH PORN ON MY DROID. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 30 2010 03:03 Jibba wrote: Point 1 is ridiculous, not only because of Jobs' hypocrisy, but also because Adobe is actually fairly open with Flash. It's also funny that he cites h.264 so often because it's much more closed and muddled down than Flash is. #2 is ridiculous. Apple has done as good of a job as you can of providing a web experience without Flash, but it's still not the same. It's only similar because there's devs to try and replicate Flash apps through the App store, but Flash iterations are almost universally better on top of being free. #3 is totally fair, and true. I think #4 is wrong, but we'll see in a few weeks when Android gets 10.1. All software decoding draws tons of power. Seems like #5 is easily fixable. 6 ties around to 1, and it's still full of crap, especially coming from Apple. #2 is really what it's all about and as a seller, it's a totally understandable decision. It still doesn't fall in line with providing a great user experience, though. Flash would not only take the heels out from under iAd, but the app store would be seriously damaged. Everyone knows this. But whatever, people can enjoy their iPhones. I'm downloading Skyfire 2.0 right now on my Droid, with flash streaming video. ^^ Update: Hulu doesn't quite work yet but OH MY GOD I CAN WATCH PORN ON MY DROID. F YEA DROIDS. If it werent with verison wireless I would get a droid in a heartbeat. Those are some nice phones. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
 EDIT: BTW, don't forget this gem from Jobs' reply. Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice. | ||
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KingofHearts
Japan562 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 30 2010 05:03 Jibba wrote: Yeah. ^^ Mine's overclocked @ 1ghz with Cyanogen, and even though all the next gen smart phones have SNES/Genesis emulators, being the only one with a hardware keyboard makes a big difference. EDIT: BTW, don't forget this gem from Jobs' reply. That's why I'm sticking with the Palm Pre until a good Droid/HTC option opens up. The tactile response I get from a physical keyboard is pretty much a requirement for me. Sprint has a nice 4g phone coming up in the Evo and it's the Android OS but it's a damn touch screen keyboard  The screen is huge on it though. And seriously, it's a 4g phone, the first one actually. 4G is incredibly fast for a mobile device and you'll actually be able to use it on the HTC Evo because it has Flash capabilities. I'm on the fence with it.The Palm Pre has proven to be a good freaking phone though for the year or so I've had it. Fragile maybe but I like the OS and the functionality. Also, I can play THE SETTLERS on it. Man I love that game. | ||
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Weedman
United States65 Posts
All about google and pirating windows. Mp3 players or phones? go samsung imo | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 30 2010 06:16 Weedman wrote: Errrg Mac fanboys make me cringe. All about google and pirating windows. Mp3 players or phones? go samsung imo The Zune HD does not get the praise it deserves. The sound it delivers is really really good. The one reason it hasn't caught on like it should is because it's incompatible with MACs which is unfortunately rather prolific in the age group that goes for Mp3 players in the first place. Even with that I know quite a few people with a Zune HD that bemoan the fact that it doesn't work with their mac...they still have one though. I have always kept my MP3 player and my phone seperate devices because smart phones nowadays take up so much power on their own that listening to music from them would only destroy battery life even more. When I'm not listening to my Zune I just keep it paused and it goes into sleep mode. With on and off listening it easily lasts a good 2 weeks without need for a charge. My Palm Pre needs to be recharged typically every night in comparison(depends on if I play Settlers that day). If I listened to music on it I would have to charge it every 6-7 hours likely. That was always the issue I had with ipods...shit battery life. What I have noticed funny enough is that the biggest train on phone battery life is actually using it as a phone. Nothing drains my phones battery faster than a phone call. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Also, today Hulu said that HTML5 doesn't meet their needs yet. | ||
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