And a lot of people feel that Ipad is a shitty name, that they should have taken Islate? what?
The device can do some browsing, has iTunes, is a good gaming platform (the processor has 1ghz), calendar app, eBook feature, you can draw on it and shit like that.
Not much of an op, but if it survives, i'll add some pics and specifications of the big device.
- Sync works via USB with your PC or Mac. Everything syncs, just like an iPhone would.
- It has a 3G plan
- COST: 250 MB of data per month: $14.99. Unlimited: $29.99. This is on AT&T. No contract.
- AT&T is throwing in all of their Wi-Fi hotspots for free - Five of the biggest publishers in the world are part of this. Harper Collins, Penguin, and more.
I thought iPad sucked as a name too, when I asked female friends less familiar with technology, I got questions along why Apple is releasing pads for women. Well, Wii as a name got made fun of a lot early on too.
Did they have details on the chipset used? I think all that was mentioned is that it was something Apple had in-house.
The support from the publishers is somewhat surprising to me, actually, but I suppose to fight Apple is somewhat senseless, especially since this tablet is not quite the same as an ereader.
On January 28 2010 04:20 s.a.y wrote: Is it worth getting?
I would say definitely not.
This thing is just an overhyped ebook reader that can do iPhone stuff too. If you want something like this, get a netbook. Almost as portable, half the cost, double the space.
It starts at $499 for 16GB, 32GB for $599, and $699 64GB. Adding 3G costs a $130 per model, so the most expensive model (64GB / 3G) is $829. The WiFi-only model will ship in 60 days, and the 3G models will come in 90.
It wasn't really an upset for me since I never gut really hyped for this from the beginning. I really think it's a sweet device if you have the money for it, but I'm definetely not buying it since my notebook already does everything this does.
The chipset is an apple made 1Ghz processor called Apple A4 or something, I recall them having bought PA Semi some time ago, we finally can see why.
This definetely won't be as successful as the iPod or iPhone.
edit: the price isn't really bad considering it's coming from Apple and the user experience seems to be great (if all you need is videos, web surfing, music, non-hardcore gaming, and some extra apps just like the iphone).
The question is: for $500+ dollars, what can this do that a laptop cannot? Sure, it may be thinner, but both of them require one to lug them around (ie. they don't fit in your pocket).
Meanwhile, a laptop can write papers more effectively, has a larger software library, and supports flash while browsing. I just don't know why I would pick an iPad over a decent laptop (unless I had a great deal of expendable income anyway).
the name is, of course, ridiculous (redditer: "So, it's an iPod Touch. A large one. The iPod touch is a min-iPad and this is the max-iPad."). that said, it looks mighty tempting. if i did purchase one, i'd definitely go for the base model with no 3G
i'm amused by people complaining about space. do you guys really move your music and video collection onto your mobile devices? there's nothing else that's going to cramp even 16GB. the thing is meant for mobility. music, video, etc, all from the internet
I think apple really got it right with the 3G part of this, you can get it if you want and then you can pay montly as long as you like without the contract. i know i am not a big fan of AT&T but this is a smart deal for them. if i will buy it or not is still up for grabs it would be kinda cool but idk if its really needed
Tablet PCs are of significant functional importance to medical professions and artists, particularly graphics designers. To date, most tablet PCs have horrible processors and are very weak; to that end the Apple product is a big step forward. The question of course is what programs will be supported (as it's not running Windows, thus using stuff like PS is unlikely) and how precise the tablet aspect of the thing is. It's essentially competing with stuff like Wacom's Cintiq on that front, and whilst the standalone gives it some leeway (and makes it stand out for medical professions) it'll have to be very good and have good graphics software (or have support for using existing ones) to take the graphics market.
For those of us who've been waiting for these things to get better than the relative garbage that's predominant so far, it's a big step.
Not really interested, if they did it right it could be useful but it looks like its not. They shouldn't be trying to replace a computer with it, they should be trying to replace a pen and pencil with it.
"1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip", I like this, tells me absolutely nothing.
Southlight, I doubt Apple has anything inhouse that would be capable of doing much in the graphics end, I think Jobs demo'd something using iWork though.
It might be just me, but I like the idea of the iPad more than smartphones, not quite as much as netbooks with ION, but close.
edit: the price isn't really bad considering it's coming from Apple and the user experience seems to be great (if all you need is videos, web surfing, music, non-hardcore gaming, and some extra apps just like the iphone).
I agree about the price point, considering it was something from apple, I was honestly expecting >$1000.
Can I play starcraft, warcraft III, world of warcraft, heroes of might and magic, plant versus zombies, watch movies on it, have all my uber nice music and visit teamliquid. If not, no thank you please.
On January 28 2010 05:06 Whiplash wrote:they should be trying to replace a pen and pencil with it.
If they're in fact trying to market it as a tablet PC, then that's the idea
On January 28 2010 05:06 Ecael wrote: Southlight, I doubt Apple has anything inhouse that would be capable of doing much in the graphics end, I think Jobs demo'd something using iWork though.
Yeah, and with the added hurdle of it being an Apple-based OS (as opposed to Windows) the likelihood of significant programs being compatible goes down. That's why I mentioned there's gonna hafta be some hefty software backing for this to kick off to a big chunk of whom I believe would be the target audience for something like this. There're other, crappier tablet PCs around, but nowadays they can run Windows, and thus illustrator programs, although not particularly quickly, which is why you see people still stick to Intuos/Cintiq. But that's a pain in the ass to work with, and far less mobile, so... yeah. That's why I'm excited about the step forward, and just explaining why there's a good audience waiting for this sort of stuff, because most people here seem puzzled about why this would exist. :D
On January 28 2010 05:06 Ecael wrote: Southlight, I doubt Apple has anything inhouse that would be capable of doing much in the graphics end, I think Jobs demo'd something using iWork though.
Yeah, and with the added hurdle of it being an Apple-based OS (as opposed to Windows) the likelihood of significant programs being compatible goes down. That's why I mentioned there's gonna hafta be some hefty software backing for this to kick off to a big chunk of whom I believe would be the target audience for something like this. There're other, crappier tablet PCs around, but nowadays they can run Windows, and thus illustrator programs, although not particularly quickly, which is why you see people still stick to Intuos/Cintiq. But that's a pain in the ass to work with, and far less mobile, so... yeah. That's why I'm excited about the step forward, and just explaining why there's a good audience waiting for this sort of stuff, because most people here seem puzzled about why this would exist. :D
From the way that they are attaching 3G to it though, I feel like they are going closer along the "Family use" thing that ICD's Tegra-powered tablet is going rather than appealing to the professional end. Especially with how the presentation seems to focus on daily use - if it has enough graphics capabilities, Apple definitely would've demo'd something more impressive than just paint. Granted, given enough power, I think the 3rd party Apps community would be able to come up with something usable for professional needs (at least up to a certain extent).
As for netbook vs this, to put myself in a mainstream audience position, I'd find this far more attractive in all likelihood.
On January 28 2010 05:17 Ecael wrote: From the way that they are attaching 3G to it though, I feel like they are going closer along the "Family use" thing that ICD's Tegra-powered tablet is going rather than appealing to the professional end. Especially with how the presentation seems to focus on daily use - if it has enough graphics capabilities, Apple definitely would've demo'd something more impressive than just paint. Granted, given enough power, I think the 3rd party Apps community would be able to come up with something usable for professional needs (at least up to a certain extent).
'Tis what I'm afraid of most at this point, but yeah ;/ Was talking to a friend in architecture about it, and he was like if it had a good-sized screen and was able to run stuff like AutoCAD he'd be all over it. Would be able to bring around designs to people, edit it on the spot, etc. But it's gonna hafta have program compatibility, power, size, all that stuff for professional-end usage. We'll see, it's baby steps - the first generation probably won't be able to fill these sorts of needs but maybe they'll find the market interesting enough to pump out professional edition stuff, or something.
Apple could take a steaming shit on a piece of metal and sell it for a thousand dollars, i'm sure regardless of whether or not this is worth buying, several million people will buy it anyways.
Having no multitasking makes it a real let down. Coupled with no flash support, i dont think i would think about getting it unless i was looking to get an ebook reader. Engadget have a small hands on and from what they are saying, its lightning quick.
On January 28 2010 05:21 Ian Ian Ian wrote: I would wait 1-2 years for them to release a second version with better software and longer battery life. Like they did with the iTouch
Yeah I would wait too.
Lol you can get a keyboard for it and a stand too should you have to do some serious typing hahaha keyboard charges it apparently.
On January 28 2010 05:24 Ho0ps wrote: Having no multitasking makes it a real let down.
Is that confirmed? Because that is a total let down to anyone who would buy this.
If you fancy stuff that you can show to your friends to brag and are willing to pay for a fruity brandname(coupled with a great experience that will last for almost two weeks!) I would say yes.
Otherwise absolutely not worth your money. The Apple marketing machine turns at full power and can sell you the same thing you have bought a couple of weeks ago with a couple of new features. Save your money for things you truely need, a new toothbrush, home, food and you name it.
they say that the big difference between a netbook nad iPad is that you can watch stuff like movies and enjoy multimedia easier. doesn't make much sense to me. this shit seems too large.
On January 28 2010 05:06 Ecael wrote: I agree about the price point, considering it was something from apple, I was honestly expecting >$1000.
I was also expecting it to be ~$1000 but I was also expecting it to be a computer.. not a large ipod
Why is everyone just saying that it is a large iPod? Because in all honestly, that's quite a compliment, to take the kind of functionality of an iPod and pushing the size up like that. Just by being larger it gains more usability, really.
On January 28 2010 05:24 Ho0ps wrote: Having no multitasking makes it a real let down. Coupled with no flash support, i dont think i would think about getting it unless i was looking to get an ebook reader. Engadget have a small hands on and from what they are saying, its lightning quick.
On January 28 2010 05:17 Ecael wrote: From the way that they are attaching 3G to it though, I feel like they are going closer along the "Family use" thing that ICD's Tegra-powered tablet is going rather than appealing to the professional end. Especially with how the presentation seems to focus on daily use - if it has enough graphics capabilities, Apple definitely would've demo'd something more impressive than just paint. Granted, given enough power, I think the 3rd party Apps community would be able to come up with something usable for professional needs (at least up to a certain extent).
'Tis what I'm afraid of most at this point, but yeah ;/ Was talking to a friend in architecture about it, and he was like if it had a good-sized screen and was able to run stuff like AutoCAD he'd be all over it. Would be able to bring around designs to people, edit it on the spot, etc. But it's gonna hafta have program compatibility, power, size, all that stuff for professional-end usage. We'll see, it's baby steps - the first generation probably won't be able to fill these sorts of needs but maybe they'll find the market interesting enough to pump out professional edition stuff, or something.
Yeah...what I don't like here is how they used their in-house chipset, to be honest. When Apple finally stepped away from using their own things exclusively in Macs, I think that made a huge difference and really pushed up the usability of the product. Here they are going back to something like that instead of using other solutions (Tegra, anyone?) that would probably be far more versatile. The experience itself would probably be excellent, but I have serious doubts on how far this tablet can be pushed.
Really this just makes slates for the windows end look better to me. But like you said, this is just the first generation, iPhone changed a ton in the relatively few incarnations it had, so this is probably just the first step to test the waters, we'll probably see more attractive things in the future.
It's an expensive, slightly faster iPhone that can't call. There is absolutely nothing innovative about it, except that they're charging close to $1000, for something that's less powerful than some Netbooks. The Microsoft Courier/HP Slate are going to crush this thing.
On January 28 2010 06:00 CTStalker wrote: joking aside, they're claiming the battery will last a month when the device is idling. (that's how big der egoz r LOL!!!!!!!!!)
They're saying 10 hours with wifi usage, but there's netbooks that get about that.
Huge bezel and ugly design No front camera No flash No handwriting recognition No multitasking/Same old iPhone OS No removable storage support No native PDF support
It's literally just a big Ipod touch, it's the dumbest thing I have ever seen
On January 28 2010 06:01 Jibba wrote: It's an expensive, slightly faster iPhone that can't call. There is absolutely nothing innovative about it, except that they're charging close to $1000, for something that's less powerful than some Netbooks. The Microsoft Courier/HP Slate are going to crush this thing.
Courier is vaporware by now
Slate looks better in comparison by far imo, and would most likely be a ton more powerful. However, in terms of what the iPad can actually do, it can probably perform those tasks better than Slate (at least, the experience I bet would be better).
I thought this was a really funny prank to pull, especially to mess with all these blogs who go gaga over this stuff. Should have waited till april 1st though ahaha.
Does anyone know when they are showing the real one?
if this is indeed an oversized iPhone/iPod Touch it is worth getting. Here's a reason why and Apple totally missed out on it.
Apple should have made a comparison of the iPad to a laptop and make a point that there's no waiting to start and shut down. It's all in a press of a button to turn on/off with no loading time.
iPhone users know what I am talking about. If this device can simulate the features of the iPhone and allow web-browsing capabilities of a notebook, I'm definitely going to replace my netbook with an iPad.
On January 28 2010 06:02 floor exercise wrote: This thing is fucking hilarious
Huge bezel and ugly design No front camera No flash No handwriting recognition No multitasking/Same old iPhone OS No removable storage support No native PDF support
It's literally just a big Ipod touch, it's the dumbest thing I have ever seen
exactly and you know its going to sell like hot cakes.
you guys are missing one huge detail: its an Apple product. Apple fans are going to go crazy for this thing, buy it and convince everyone around that its the best thing since sliced bread.
I bet this thing will be successful, just because its Apple.. even though it looks like a huge (flat) pile of shit
Does it support ebooks or whatever like a kindle? I would possibly get this when it is hacked to dl books on. Would love to read comic books on it if it were possible.
However, I would likely wait until the next generation no matter what.
One of the most retarded 'innovations' I've ever seen, but par for the course considering it's Apple. I'm sure plenty of hipsters will buy it with their parents' money. The parody Macbook Wheel seems somewhat likely to roll out soon at this rate.
On January 28 2010 05:02 Southlight wrote: Tablet PCs are of significant functional importance to medical professions and artists, particularly graphics designers. To date, most tablet PCs have horrible processors and are very weak; to that end the Apple product is a big step forward.
the fuck? you're saying HP tablets and Thinkpad tablets have relatively horrible processors, and this is a big step forward?
I was watching the video from apple site and those engineers make me wanna lick the iPad in a heart beat (just like the uni-body frame of the macbook). Never trust a sale man.
LOL I laughed for ten minutes when I saw this thing. Seriously.
Apple development guy: I know how we can make a shit load of money and skip all development expenses. Oh and before I forget, someone take that oversized paper ipod we used as commercial out of the trashcan think of a name and hand it over to Jobs im going home
Honestly, I would have liked it SO much more if it were the size of... let's say a small textbook (much thinner, of course). Because you aren't going to carry this in your pocket at its current size, and it's way too small to type efficiently on. The way I see it is: It is like an electronic book, goes in your backpack (I guess they would have to make it a bit more robust). You can take your notes on it, write papers, basically like a really sleek netbook, that maybe is a lot less powerful, but definitely quicker and easier to use. Basically, a student's best friend, keeping his/her backpack lighter, having a tool that has extensive possibilities. Quick, down-to-earth (not in price) laptop.
In its current state, it would be something that you would probably leave at home, to browse the net (or TL), while sitting on a couch watching TV, or next to your bed. Generally it is not much more useful than that, especially outside of your house. What are you doing on-the-go that requires a bigger screen than an iPhone?
On January 28 2010 05:02 Southlight wrote: Tablet PCs are of significant functional importance to medical professions and artists, particularly graphics designers. To date, most tablet PCs have horrible processors and are very weak; to that end the Apple product is a big step forward.
the fuck? you're saying HP tablets and Thinkpad tablets have relatively horrible processors, and this is a big step forward?
I was expecting it to be pushed more as the future of textbooks and an awesome ebook reader. I have had a few e-textbooks and much preferred them to paper as the ability to search for specific words is amazing.
I see the tablet leaving much to be desired, but it honestly wouldn't take much to make it amazing.
Also the name Ipad is terrible. iTablet sounds soooooo much better.
i was under the impression that this was gonna be a mac tablet pc, not sum fuckin oversized i touch. though all the apple douches are still gonna hoarde to get one.
What people seem most to be concerned with is: the lack of multitask, camera, Flash, USB port/SD card slot.
I think everyone's really forgetting what you might use a device like this for.
This is an incredibly sleek device for viewing/consuming media (including e-books), browsing the web (albeit without flash, means no livestream! T.T), gaming, and maybe minor office suite activities. In this scenario, multitask in honestly not all that useful; having a document and the web open at the same time is nice, yes, but i can't imagine using a tablet device with no dedicated keyboard for anything more than a quick edit. Camera would be nice for something like video chat, but it's not something that's really necessary. The lack of both a USB port and Flash is just kind of silly; Apple's stubbornness is definitely at play there.
I think, though, that the iPhone OS is the premier interface for an input method based on touch, much more so than Windows 7 or Mac OSX at the moment.
On January 28 2010 10:57 topspinserve wrote: What people seem most to be concerned with is: the lack of multitask, camera, Flash, USB port/SD card slot.
I think everyone's really forgetting what you might use a device like this for.
This is an incredibly sleek device for viewing/consuming media (including e-books), browsing the web (albeit without flash, means no livestream! T.T), gaming, and maybe minor office suite activities. In this scenario, multitask in honestly not all that useful; having a document and the web open at the same time is nice, yes, but i can't imagine using a tablet device with no dedicated keyboard for anything more than a quick edit. Camera would be nice for something like video chat, but it's not something that's really necessary. The lack of both a USB port and Flash is just kind of silly; Apple's stubbornness is definitely at play there.
I think, though, that the iPhone OS is the premier interface for an input method based on touch, much more so than Windows 7 or Mac OSX at the moment.
Get a smartphone? You have all that + portability.
On January 28 2010 08:55 iG.Aura wrote: you guys are missing one huge detail: its an Apple product. Apple fans are going to go crazy for this thing, buy it and convince everyone around that its the best thing since sliced bread.
I bet this thing will be successful, just because its Apple.. even though it looks like a huge (flat) pile of shit
As an apple 'fan' (I like to think I can still be objective about their stuff), I am very underwhelmed by the iPad. I think bluewolf summed up my thoughts quite nicely:
On January 28 2010 04:56 [-Bluewolf-] wrote: The question is: for $500+ dollars, what can this do that a laptop cannot? Sure, it may be thinner, but both of them require one to lug them around (ie. they don't fit in your pocket).
On January 28 2010 09:48 Patriot.dlk wrote: LOL I laughed for ten minutes when I saw this thing. Seriously.
Apple development guy: I know how we can make a shit load of money and skip all development expenses. Oh and before I forget, someone take that oversized paper ipod we used as commercial out of the trashcan think of a name and hand it over to Jobs im going home
On January 28 2010 10:57 topspinserve wrote: What people seem most to be concerned with is: the lack of multitask, camera, Flash, USB port/SD card slot.
I think everyone's really forgetting what you might use a device like this for.
This is an incredibly sleek device for viewing/consuming media (including e-books), browsing the web (albeit without flash, means no livestream! T.T), gaming, and maybe minor office suite activities. In this scenario, multitask in honestly not all that useful; having a document and the web open at the same time is nice, yes, but i can't imagine using a tablet device with no dedicated keyboard for anything more than a quick edit. Camera would be nice for something like video chat, but it's not something that's really necessary. The lack of both a USB port and Flash is just kind of silly; Apple's stubbornness is definitely at play there.
I think, though, that the iPhone OS is the premier interface for an input method based on touch, much more so than Windows 7 or Mac OSX at the moment.
Get a smartphone? You have all that + portability.
Hm, yea, that's a good point. I still think the extra screen size is really nice for web/documents/media though.
On January 28 2010 05:25 Hyde wrote: Lol you can get a keyboard for it and a stand too should you have to do some serious typing hahaha keyboard charges it apparently.
oh goodie, the ipad can transform into an overpriced + crappy netbook
CUPERTINO, CA—Claiming that he completely forgot about the much-hyped electronic device until the last minute, a frantic Steve Jobs reportedly stayed up all night Tuesday in a desperate effort to design Apple's new tablet computer. "Come on, Steve, just think—think, dammit—you're running out of time," the exhausted CEO said as he glued nine separate iPhones to the back of a plastic cafeteria tray. "Okay, yeah, this will work. This will definitely work. Just need to write 'tablet' on this little strip of masking tape here and I'm golden. Oh, come on, you piece of shit! Just stick already!" Middle-of-the-night sources reported that Jobs then began work on double-spacing his Keynote presentation and increasing the font size to make it appear longer.
It's a glorified iPod touch. Has no flash support and even the os is basically the exact same As the itouch. No flash support means no livestream. It even fricken syncs to iTunes when u plug it into another computer. Definetly should not become your main computer
No flash means no watching online videos other from youtube, or playing flash games. This is unlikely to change because apple doesn't want flash stealing dem moneh from the appstore/itunes store. This fails as an ebook reader because it has an LCD screen and kills your eyes. The kindle's eink technology exists precisely for this reason. I don't understand why they didn't support handwriting though, since art/design students are their biggest market(and fanboy clubs).
On January 28 2010 12:26 AssuredVacancy wrote: No flash means no watching online videos other from youtube, or playing flash games. This is unlikely to change because apple doesn't want flash stealing dem moneh from the appstore/itunes store. This fails as an ebook reader because it has an LCD screen and kills your eyes. The kindle's eink technology exists precisely for this reason. I don't understand why they didn't support handwriting though, since art/design students are their biggest market(and fanboy clubs).
i believe its because multi touch capacitive screens support human touch only. Using a stylus would require a resistive screen which doesn't support multi touch.
It certainly has its problems. It needs flash, multitasking and USB to name a few. I highly doubt I would buy one without these necessary additions. And I would never buy a first generation apple product.
However, I see everybody comparing it to netbooks and I am confused. I see it more akin to a Kindle. I definitely would love to read books and especially comic books (especially comic books) on the go with one of these.
What I would REALLY like to see is a push for more textbooks to be available digitally that would work on both laptops and tablets like the Ipad. I think Apple being in the tablet market could spark a big push for digital textbooks. I have had two classes that I chose to buy the digital version of the textbook for and I loved it.
On January 28 2010 12:39 Bosu wrote: It certainly has its problems. It needs flash, multitasking and USB to name a few. I highly doubt I would buy one without these necessary additions. And I would never buy a first generation apple product.
However, I see everybody comparing it to netbooks. I see it more akin to a Kindle. I definitely would love to read books and especially comic books (especially comic books) on the go with one of these.
What I would REALLY like to see is a push for more textbooks to be available digitally that would work on both laptops and tablets like the Ipad. I think Apple being in the tablet market could spark a big push for digital textbooks.
I agree. When i first saw the maxiPad i thought, it's just a huge, expensive Kindle.
On digital textbooks: i have a feeling if they really started doing that, knowing apple, they'd probably jack up fucking textbook prices anyway.
Well they would probably sell them for the same price as in college bookstores. Which for digital media that can't be resold is jacked up. I honestly wouldn't care though and would probably pay the same price for the digital version just to have it on the one tablet and search functions.
On January 28 2010 12:45 Bosu wrote: Well they would probably sell them for the same price as in college bookstores. Which for digital media that can't be resold is jacked up. I honestly wouldn't care though and would probably pay the same price for the digital version just to have it on the one tablet and search functions.
Hmm.. having a search function for a 1000pg textbook would be nice.. If textbooks really decided to go digital i think some people would pay for them the same way some people 'pay' for movies.
one thing to note about the absence of flash -- even though it has to do a lot with apple retaining complete control over all the software on the device, the flash player for osx is utter garbage. http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash
On January 28 2010 12:54 CTStalker wrote: one thing to note about the absence of flash -- even though it has to do a lot with apple retaining complete control over all the software on the device, the flash player for osx is utter garbage. http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash
yeah I have huge problems with flash on this mac -_-
I know I am getting at least one. This will be my mother's christmas present. It more than fills her very basic computer needs in a lot simpler way than a desktop computer,
Getting one for myself is a coin toss, but I am strongly considering one.
Some time ago I had decided that my next computer would be a 13" MacBook Pro. My main computer is a 15" MBP, but I want additional portability when unplugging it from my desk. With an iPad on the go, I get something more portable, cheaper than a laptop, and that works better for my hands than a netbook. Yes, its more expensive and there are tradeoffs, but that is the least of my worries.
With the iPhone, Apple found a UI that makes touch displays good enough for a lot of tasks. They got rid of a lot of the abstractions of keyboard/mouse/pen computing, but at the same time they didn't drag their limitations. Some of the details in the iWork demo are subtle but very neat. Keyboard layouts for numeric input and formulas, or using multitouch to point reference objects other than the object you are working with. Some of this stuff you cannot do with a mouse, or at least not as intuitively.
The iPad is not for everyone. Jobs said a very important line during the keynote: "Far better at some key things". It is not "better or equal on all things". Apple decided long time ago that they don't want to create "one size fits all" products, and the iPhone and iPad are a reflection of this.
And thats what I think is the problem of netbooks. They want to be a small computer that does the same thing as your computer, but it is not the same as your computer. Its hard to do certain things simply because the keyboard or touchpad or screen are so much smaller. They need to carry a full-blown OS without having the same processing power*. Those little things create a barrier of entry that you can get over with. But I don't want to deal with them.
* What is wrong with a 1GHz processor if it doesn't need to deal with the whole software stack of a Windows OS? Plus having control over software + hardware allows to optimize even further. The iPad worked pretty smoothly in the keynote after all.
Edit:
re: Flash. Youtube content can be accessed in many different ways other than Flash, and Youtube and Vimeo already are testing delivery using the HTML5 video tag. Who says Livestream or other video services won't do so too? Other than games, Flash became relevant as a video delivery channel, and it is already being replaced on this field. Apple does has reasons to not support Flash in the iPhone/iPad, and they can live with it.
On January 28 2010 05:46 IntoTheWow wrote: It's more than just an iPod touch that won't fit in your pocket...it's also an underpowered netbook with no keyboard. It's the worst of both worlds!
On January 28 2010 05:46 IntoTheWow wrote: It actually has a robust power source; it is powered almost entirely by the user's sense of self-importance.
I agree with you completely. I can see why people don't want it, but I don't think its a piece of shit. I just think people are misunderstanding what it is.
I am considering getting one for my mom too. She has been wanting a laptop and this may be better. I am just weary to jump onto any 1st gen apple product though :/ Especially one that is missing some key features.
On January 28 2010 12:39 Bosu wrote: It certainly has its problems. It needs flash, multitasking and USB to name a few. I highly doubt I would buy one without these necessary additions. And I would never buy a first generation apple product.
However, I see everybody comparing it to netbooks and I am confused. I see it more akin to a Kindle. I definitely would love to read books and especially comic books (especially comic books) on the go with one of these.
What I would REALLY like to see is a push for more textbooks to be available digitally that would work on both laptops and tablets like the Ipad. I think Apple being in the tablet market could spark a big push for digital textbooks. I have had two classes that I chose to buy the digital version of the textbook for and I loved it.
Jobs compared it to netbooks. If he had called it an expensive Kindle, it might be justified because it's so much better (although I'd still take e-Ink over an LCD display that'll tire your eyes.)
Jobs compared it to netbooks. If he had called it an expensive Kindle, it might be justified because it's so much better (although I'd still take e-Ink over an LCD display that'll tire your eyes
Steve Jobs obviously doesn't know what hes talking about. I do.
* What is wrong with a 1GHz processor if it doesn't need to deal with the whole software stack of a Windows OS? Plus having control over software + hardware allows to optimize even further. The iPad worked pretty smoothly in the keynote after all.
What is the point of horsepower when there's nothing to use it on?
TBH, your post seems like the epitome of fanboyism. Again, you're stuck on the UI when Android has very nearly closed the gap and WinMo7 isn't far behind, while charging an obscene price for something that truly does amount to a large iTouch.
I think this is the future of Laptops. Besides the fact that it looks awesome (come on it does) It has touch technology which is the future. Right now it may be a glorified Big Itouch but this is only the first generation. I well it may not be "useful" right now it is advancing technology in all the right places.......
On January 28 2010 13:04 VManOfMana wrote: Watching the keynote right now.
I know I am getting at least one. This will be my mother's christmas present. It more than fills her very basic computer needs in a lot simpler way than a desktop computer,
Getting one for myself is a coin toss, but I am strongly considering one.
Some time ago I had decided that my next computer would be a 13" MacBook Pro. My main computer is a 15" MBP, but I want additional portability when unplugging it from my desk. With an iPad on the go, I get something more portable, cheaper than a laptop, and that works better for my hands than a netbook. Yes, its more expensive and there are tradeoffs, but that is the least of my worries.
With the iPhone, Apple found a UI that makes touch displays good enough for a lot of tasks. They got rid of a lot of the abstractions of keyboard/mouse/pen computing, but at the same time they didn't drag their limitations. Some of the details in the iWork demo are subtle but very neat. Keyboard layouts for numeric input and formulas, or using multitouch to point reference objects other than the object you are working with. Some of this stuff you cannot do with a mouse, or at least not as intuitively.
The iPad is not for everyone. Jobs said a very important line during the keynote: "Far better at some key things". It is not "better or equal on all things". Apple decided long time ago that they don't want to create "one size fits all" products, and the iPhone and iPad are a reflection of this.
And thats what I think is the problem of netbooks. They want to be a small computer that does the same thing as your computer, but it is not the same as your computer. Its hard to do certain things simply because the keyboard or touchpad or screen are so much smaller. They need to carry a full-blown OS without having the same processing power*. Those little things create a barrier of entry that you can get over with. But I don't want to deal with them.
* What is wrong with a 1GHz processor if it doesn't need to deal with the whole software stack of a Windows OS? Plus having control over software + hardware allows to optimize even further. The iPad worked pretty smoothly in the keynote after all.
Edit:
re: Flash. Youtube content can be accessed in many different ways other than Flash, and Youtube and Vimeo already are testing delivery using the HTML5 video tag. Who says Livestream or other video services won't do so too? Other than games, Flash became relevant as a video delivery channel, and it is already being replaced on this field. Apple does has reasons to not support Flash in the iPhone/iPad, and they can live with it.
- "Yes, its more expensive and there are tradeoffs, but that is the least of my worries." ... Which basically says "I like apple so I will buy apple stuff even if its crap." - Besides the touch screen, there is nothing that makes the iPad any better than a laptop / netbook. OS sucks, processing power sucks, memory sucks, price sucks, portability is essentially the same as a netbook. - Full-blown OS? Don't make me laugh, the thing can't even handle background processes. - With macs, you actually have NO control over your software/hardware - even more so with the iPad.
Nothing to use it on? C'mon. There is plenty to use it on. It is not as much as your day-to-day computer, but its more than enough as a *satellite* of your computer. Its a mobile device, an appliance. It doesn't try to be your main computer.
Really, if you want a mobile computer that does the same as a desktop computer, get a laptop. But that is not the market the iPad is targeting.
WinMo7 is still not here. Android is very close software wise, but until the Nexus they never had the hardware to match the software. Apple got both since the original iPhone. And that was quite a bit ago.
Lastly, how is it an obscene price? It is similarly priced to a iPhone without contract. It makes no calls and 3G costs extra, but you get a bigger screen, processing power and storage.
Yes, I am an Apple fan. I became one when my brother and I convinced my mother to get an iMac G4 so she didn't have to deal with Windows. We are both software geeks rather than hardware geeks, so it didn't take us long to become fans of Mac OS X and have followed Apple's products since then. BTW, our previous favorite OSs were OS/2 and BeOS.
I'm gonna get one. It's not going to run a million freaking degrees I can watch movies lying down now in my bed, there will be an app for drawing/art and I can take it to my work to run price checks with ease. It's by far the most portable computer I've seen and all you guys can fuck off .
Wait, what? You're getting this as a Christmas gift for your mom?
A. You plan gifts 11 months in advance? B. Pretty nice of you to drop $600 on a christmas gift... I wish I had that much spare cash lying around.
Nothing to use it on? C'mon. There is plenty to use it on. It is not as much as your day-to-day computer, but its more than enough as a *satellite* of your computer. Its a mobile device, an appliance. It doesn't try to be your main computer.
...That's worth $500+ ?
Some time ago I had decided that my next computer would be a 13" MacBook Pro. My main computer is a 15" MBP, but I want additional portability when unplugging it from my desk.
How is your laptop not portable? O.o Just unplug it... Unless you want like 7 hrs of battery life or something.
Really, if you want a mobile computer that does the same as a desktop computer, get a laptop. But that is not the market the iPad is targeting.
What market is that exactly? What does this computer do well? I mean, it doesn't even look that good :/
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It's not going to run a million freaking degrees I can watch movies lying down now in my bed
That's a problem with the Imac -_- I always just have my lenovo in my lap, while the newest macs run so damn hot.
And what on earth does this have that a netbook doesn't, beside a big screen and no keyboard?
On January 28 2010 13:55 DeathSpank wrote: I'm gonna get one. It's not going to run a million freaking degrees I can watch movies lying down now in my bed, there will be an app for drawing/art and I can take it to my work to run price checks with ease. It's by far the most portable computer I've seen and all you guys can fuck off .
Good luck getting the movies onto the thing in the first place
On January 28 2010 13:52 VManOfMana wrote: Nothing to use it on? C'mon. There is plenty to use it on. It is not as much as your day-to-day computer, but its more than enough as a *satellite* of your computer. Its a mobile device, an appliance. It doesn't try to be your main computer.
Really, if you want a mobile computer that does the same as a desktop computer, get a laptop. But that is not the market the iPad is targeting.
WinMo7 is still not here. Android is very close software wise, but until the Nexus they never had the hardware to match the software. Apple got both since the original iPhone. And that was quite a bit ago.
Lastly, how is it an obscene price? It is similarly priced to a iPhone without contract. It makes no calls and 3G costs extra, but you get a bigger screen, processing power and storage.
Yes, I am an Apple fan. I became one when my brother and I convinced my mother to get an iMac G4 so she didn't have to deal with Windows. We are both software geeks rather than hardware geeks, so it didn't take us long to become fans of Mac OS X and have followed Apple's products since then. BTW, our previous favorite OSs were OS/2 and BeOS.
iPhone gets that premium price BECAUSE it is a phone. What is the advantage of this over an iTouch? It has a bigger screen, and 3G, but it's unlikely you'll be taking it anywhere or commuting with it and the Touch has wifi. For utility, it's still got fairly little space, especially compared to what Netbooks are running these days, and they happen to be faster and also have excellent displays.
I think you are trolling us, VManOfMana. You claim to be a "software geek". Software geeks are not blind to horrendous flaws in any device.
Have you heard of something called a netbook? It's something along the lines of $200 with more than triple the storage and a processor that actually runs software. 140,000 apps? How many do you think have been developed for windows?
It doesn't try to fill the role of a computer. With a 9.7" screen? Seriously, what are you going to do, throw it in your backpack before you go to the library? I guess you can't do that with a laptop, wait.
Tell me, what market is this device targeting? Those who want to read books on the go and watch movies? The screen isn't any more suitable for book reading than a laptop is, and it doesn't even support 1080p video.
You probably haven't even seen the comparison charts that have been floating around.
On January 28 2010 14:16 Loser777 wrote: I think you are trolling us, VManOfMana. You claim to be a "software geek". Software geeks are not blind to horrendous flaws in any device.
Have you heard of something called a netbook? It's something along the lines of $200 with more than triple the storage and a processor that actually runs software. 140,000 apps? How many do you think have been developed for windows?
It doesn't try to fill the role of a computer. With a 9.7" screen? Seriously, what are you going to do, throw it in your backpack before you go to the library? I guess you can't do that with a laptop, wait. Tell me, what market is this device targeting? Those who want to read books on the go and watch movies? The screen isn't any more suitable for book reading than a laptop is, and it doesn't even support 1080p video.
You probably haven't even seen the comparison charts that have been floating around.
The IPS screen is actually better than a regular TN screen found on most devices. Much better for reading texts and pictures. Laptops and most LCDs out there are TNs which are faster than IPS (great for gaming, worse at everything else) so an IPS screen on this thing would be better than most laptops/monitors.
Why are people talking about the Courier still, it is like 90% there to vaporware status. When Ballmer introduced a HP product instead of their own for the CES keynote, it is really hard to convince yourself that Msft is still working on it.
you lose a lot of functionality with a tablet and you don't gain that back in price. you could argue that the price is a premium for portability but honestly is it that much more portable? how usable is it going to be without a tactile keyboard? not to mention you have to take up 50% of your screen when you want to type. at $700, you get less functionality than a $300 netbook and slightly more portability if only because you can use it while moving more effectively.
granted if it were the same price as a netbook or maybe $100 more i could see why people prefer it.
This is basically a toned down version of a tablet PC. It's a typical, over-priced Apple product attempting (as they have successfully done in the past) to bring a small niche product into the mainstream.
My verdict is no. If you need a tablet PC, get a tablet PC. If you need a smart phone, get a damn smart phone.
On January 28 2010 15:33 mahnini wrote: you lose a lot of functionality with a tablet and you don't gain that back in price. you could argue that the price is a premium for portability but honestly is it that much more portable? how usable is it going to be without a tactile keyboard? not to mention you have to take up 50% of your screen when you want to type. at $700, you get less functionality than a $300 netbook and slightly more portability if only because you can use it while moving more effectively.
granted if it were the same price as a netbook or maybe $100 more i could see why people prefer it.
The fact that it doesn't have multi-task OR flash support is a major turn off for me, and I'm sure for alot of other people too. The fact that I already own an iPod touch doesn't help.
All of the things that will dissuade people who know what the fuck they're talking about from buying this are things that the people who will buy it don't know or care about. If people bought good products instead of cool, simple, and intractable ones, Apple wouldn't even exist.
On January 28 2010 15:33 mahnini wrote: you lose a lot of functionality with a tablet and you don't gain that back in price. you could argue that the price is a premium for portability but honestly is it that much more portable? how usable is it going to be without a tactile keyboard? not to mention you have to take up 50% of your screen when you want to type. at $700, you get less functionality than a $300 netbook and slightly more portability if only because you can use it while moving more effectively.
granted if it were the same price as a netbook or maybe $100 more i could see why people prefer it.
Well, the more I think about it the more I dislike the comparison to the netbook, device wise I think a much better comparison would be to the larger Kindle (the price looks a lot better when you start to look at it that way, actually). Even if we use the netbook for comparison though, we should keep in mind that this will be infinitely faster at the tasks that it does perform than a netbook well. There are those who feels that the experience is worth paying for, and may of those already buy Apple.
A lot of what you bring up against tablets in general accounts for why I like the Microsoft Courier (too bad now practically vaporware) and the old rumors of the Asus dual-screen tablet so much. Personally I am rather happy about the iPad pushing this area, making it harder for other companies to ignore a potential market. The device itself though, imo, unfortunately, is the usual apple crap.
On January 28 2010 15:33 mahnini wrote: you lose a lot of functionality with a tablet and you don't gain that back in price. you could argue that the price is a premium for portability but honestly is it that much more portable? how usable is it going to be without a tactile keyboard? not to mention you have to take up 50% of your screen when you want to type. at $700, you get less functionality than a $300 netbook and slightly more portability if only because you can use it while moving more effectively.
granted if it were the same price as a netbook or maybe $100 more i could see why people prefer it.
Well, the more I think about it the more I dislike the comparison to the netbook, device wise I think a much better comparison would be to the larger Kindle (the price looks a lot better when you start to look at it that way, actually). Even if we use the netbook for comparison though, we should keep in mind that this will be infinitely faster at the tasks that it does perform than a netbook well. There are those who feels that the experience is worth paying for, and may of those already buy Apple.
A lot of what you bring up against tablets in general accounts for why I like the Microsoft Courier (too bad now practically vaporware) and the old rumors of the Asus dual-screen tablet so much. Personally I am rather happy about the iPad pushing this area, making it harder for other companies to ignore a potential market. The device itself though, imo, unfortunately, is the usual apple crap.
well, i'd say the main point of a netbook is portability + just enough productivity. the idea of a tablet kind of throws the productivity out the window. i don't know much about the kindle but i can see the preference if the price is close there as well.
the problem i guess is it does nothing extraordinarily well. netbooks found a huge market because students loved that it provided all the aspects of a laptop they actually needed while on the go and was light and cheap. smartphones have a market because they are extremely portable used mostly for very light browsing but mostly because you have it around 24/7 anyway. a tablet has less usability than a netbook and less portability than a smartphone. on top of all this it is more expensive than both combined.
do you really see yourself having a tablet in class taking notes or casually pulling it out to look up directions when you're lost? the hype for tablets seem like an industry response to the low profit margins of netbooks.
On January 28 2010 14:16 Loser777 wrote: I think you are trolling us, VManOfMana. You claim to be a "software geek". Software geeks are not blind to horrendous flaws in any device.
Have you heard of something called a netbook? It's something along the lines of $200 with more than triple the storage and a processor that actually runs software. 140,000 apps? How many do you think have been developed for windows?
It doesn't try to fill the role of a computer. With a 9.7" screen? Seriously, what are you going to do, throw it in your backpack before you go to the library? I guess you can't do that with a laptop, wait.
Tell me, what market is this device targeting? Those who want to read books on the go and watch movies? The screen isn't any more suitable for book reading than a laptop is, and it doesn't even support 1080p video.
You probably haven't even seen the comparison charts that have been floating around.
Not really. I am just trying to explain the reasons why I see myself as a potential iPad owner. Obviously I don't see things the same as most people here. But the fact you don't agree doesn't mean I am trolling.
At 9.7" I doubt many people will notice the difference between 720 and 1080p. Besides, if I want to watch 1080p, I'll certainly won't do it at less than 24".
I have heard of netbooks. Tried them. Don't like them. To me, they are just a shrinked version of computers I don't like using in the first place. I have never felt comfortable working on Windows. No matter how fast the computer is, I find the OS to be cumbersome and annoying to use. Its little things here and there, but it builds up. You put that together in a smaller screen and a smaller keyboard and touchpad, and it gets worse (especially with my big hands). They do the job for some people, but not for me.
What I am looking for is not a portable computer, but a satellite of my computer. Something that I can use short-term, on-the-go, with data synced from my main computer. This is the market the iPad is going for. So yeah, the main competition is netbooks. The twist here, is that unlike netbooks, Apple has a different approach than further shrinking a laptop.
Being a "software geek" means that to me, specs are a secondary factor. I don't care for the capabilities of the system or how many things it can do as much as:
1. *how* it lets me do it. 2. it does what I want it to do
It just happens that in terms of software design, Apple does things in such a way I feel comfortably working with. That is something I discovered with my mother's iMac, after my years of OS/2 and Windows.
Thats why I don't find the comparison sheet too relevant. The only things that I care for in that list are:
* resolution, but I'd consider the screen size and DPI to be more important. * OS, I actually liked many design elements of the modified iPhone OS. There are drawbacks (mainly multitasking) but not much of an issue consider what I would use an iPad for. Multitouch is used more extensively than the iPhone, not limiting your fingers to be a replacement of a mouse. This is a good thing. * Weight/physical size. They affect how easy it is to carry. I don't go to school anymore so I seldom carry a backpack when I am not at work. * Wifi, well, I need to connect to the internet.
As of the rest:
* I dont care for CPU and memory as long as they can carry the OS and applications. I don't even remember the speed and memory on my laptop. * storage, considering I am looking for a satellite of my main computer, I only need to put the data I will use short term. Certainly less than 250 GB. * bluetooth, rarely use it * USB ports, convenient but I don't find them essential, since syncing will be the main form of data sharing * Audio/video: I rarely watch fansubs (MKV, etc) anymore. For everything else there is AAC, Apple Lossless and H.264. If needed I can fallback to using Handbrake. * Price: I actually don't mind dishing the extra money for something I like that much better. I did it on the iPhone, I did it on the MBP. For me, the OS and convenience are the most valuable things I can buy. Not the hardware specs.
Yes most of this is subjective, but to each their own.
By the way, I doubt I would get an iPad if I was still in college.
On January 28 2010 15:33 mahnini wrote: you lose a lot of functionality with a tablet and you don't gain that back in price. you could argue that the price is a premium for portability but honestly is it that much more portable? how usable is it going to be without a tactile keyboard? not to mention you have to take up 50% of your screen when you want to type. at $700, you get less functionality than a $300 netbook and slightly more portability if only because you can use it while moving more effectively.
granted if it were the same price as a netbook or maybe $100 more i could see why people prefer it.
Well, the more I think about it the more I dislike the comparison to the netbook, device wise I think a much better comparison would be to the larger Kindle (the price looks a lot better when you start to look at it that way, actually). Even if we use the netbook for comparison though, we should keep in mind that this will be infinitely faster at the tasks that it does perform than a netbook well. There are those who feels that the experience is worth paying for, and may of those already buy Apple.
A lot of what you bring up against tablets in general accounts for why I like the Microsoft Courier (too bad now practically vaporware) and the old rumors of the Asus dual-screen tablet so much. Personally I am rather happy about the iPad pushing this area, making it harder for other companies to ignore a potential market. The device itself though, imo, unfortunately, is the usual apple crap.
well, i'd say the main point of a netbook is portability + just enough productivity. the idea of a tablet kind of throws the productivity out the window. i don't know much about the kindle but i can see the preference if the price is close there as well.
the problem i guess is it does nothing extraordinarily well. netbooks found a huge market because students loved that it provided all the aspects of a laptop they actually needed while on the go and was light and cheap. smartphones have a market because they are extremely portable used mostly for very light browsing but mostly because you have it around 24/7 anyway. a tablet has less usability than a netbook and less portability than a smartphone. on top of all this it is more expensive than both combined.
do you really see yourself having a tablet in class taking notes or casually pulling it out to look up directions when you're lost? the hype for tablets seem like an industry response to the low profit margins of netbooks.
The Kindle (dx, was it?) is like $10 cheaper than the cheapest model I believe, since that has no expansion either iirc, I think it compares to the iPad much better.
I suppose that at the moment tablets are generally less usable than a netbook, but that shouldn't be an issue for long. Their portability...well, I can't say, don't own a smart phone, someone donate to the poor one here please Though with the likes of the HP slate, I really don't think that functionality wise tablets are going to lose that badly, especially if we give it more time. Netbooks will pretty much end at ION 2 hardware wise, the growth in the 3rd party apps for Android is starting to shore up the differences on the software end. Intel pushing into the territories previously held by ARM processors as well as existing multi-core ARMs show that we can have a lot of raw power in the future.
I don't see myself wanting a smartphone anytime soon, I've used netbooks in class, so yeah. I'd probably put up with a tablet like that, it just so happens that I still carry a bookbag of some sort with me every occasion that allows for it.
On January 28 2010 16:10 VManOfMana wrote: Being a "software geek" means that to me, specs are a secondary factor. I don't care for the capabilities of the system or how many things it can do as much as:
1. *how* it lets me do it. 2. it does what I want it to do
It just happens that in terms of software design, Apple does things in such a way I feel comfortably working with. That is something I discovered with my mother's iMac, after my years of OS/2 and Windows.
You sound like someone who should see Linux... Where you decide *how* it lets you do it and does what you want it to.
Edit: After all, OS X is just a dumbed down version of Linux (I might've gone a bit overboard here, hehe).
I don't get it. It looks and sounds like an Ipod Touch with bigger screen for larger resolution media files and e-books, but what everyone really wants is a next generation keyboard-less laptop with standard laptop functionality, 3G (4G) internet, full OS X or Win 7 support and a set of established features, nothing out of the ordinary.
On January 28 2010 16:10 VManOfMana wrote: Being a "software geek" means that to me, specs are a secondary factor. I don't care for the capabilities of the system or how many things it can do as much as:
1. *how* it lets me do it. 2. it does what I want it to do
It just happens that in terms of software design, Apple does things in such a way I feel comfortably working with. That is something I discovered with my mother's iMac, after my years of OS/2 and Windows.
You sound like someone who should see Linux... Where you decide *how* it lets you do it and does what you want it to.
Edit: After all, OS X is just a dumbed down version of Linux (I might've gone a bit overboard here, hehe).
I should be more specific.
Point 2 refers that I can do the tasks I want to complete.
Point 1 refers to how I interact with the system to complete the tasks. The simpler and more straight forward the better.
Linux's advantage is that you can pick many ways to do what you want. The options are endless. But the disadvantage is that going thru so many options add overhead to the final objective, which is getting stuff done.
BTW, OS X is built on top of a BSD variant. And I find it impressive how they managed to abstract all the complexity of working with Unix. OSX feels "dumbed down" because it won't let you pick the steps to get stuff done (often, but not always). But once you get over that, the convenience of less complexity to use the computer is not a bad thing.
"FSF's John Sullivan launches the Defective by Design campaign and petition to rain on Steve's parade, barely minutes out of the starting gate. "This is a huge step backward in the history of computing," said FSF's Holmes Wilson, "If the first personal computers required permission from the manufacturer for each new program or new feature, the history of computing would be as dismally totalitarian as the milieu in Apple's famous Super Bowl ad." The iPad has DRM writ large, you can only install what Apple says you may, and "computing" goes consumer mainstream — no more twiddling, just sit back, spend your money, and watch the show — while we allow you to... what say you? Are you happy that you can't load "open source" ebooks on the new must-have gadget?"
apples never made anything that is legitimately worth the price they charge for it. every product they sell is available in better quality performance and build from another company for a far lower price.
On January 28 2010 06:02 floor exercise wrote: This thing is fucking hilarious
Huge bezel and ugly design No front camera No flash No handwriting recognition No multitasking/Same old iPhone OS No removable storage support No native PDF support
It's literally just a big Ipod touch, it's the dumbest thing I have ever seen
i got an mac book air, and it is a piece of shit man imagine that i could fried eggs on that laptop because it is always overheat after about 10 minutes of using the reason is that the mac book air is too small en thin, and so this iPad, will be hot as hell.
On January 28 2010 18:23 kiendudu wrote: i got an mac book air, and it is a piece of shit man imagine that i could fried eggs on that laptop because it is always overheat after about 10 minutes of using the reason is that the mac book air is too small en thin, and so this iPad, will be hot as hell.
doubt it will get to that, you have phones with the same clock speed cpus + dedicated gpu that run fine.
at first i thought it would be a wacom you can do photoshop and shit on
then it was just a big itouch hahaha
but anyway it's going to sell to all the wannabe artists/hipsters/douches with too much money. macs are for computer illiterate people anyway so whatever.
i saw the unveiling yesterday and to be honest i wasn't much impressed with it.i looked like a laptop sized iphone.it also has functions present in the iphone.plus it can read ebooks which is good.but the bad thing is that though it's almost the size of a laptop,it dosen't even come close to being good.it's a completely useless product imao.plus the battery only runs for like 10 hours which btw is beyond crap.also it's name is kinda girly to me and the worst thing of all is that this piece of shit is worth ~700$.i mean i seriously can't see people buying this unless they're a bunch of dumbasses who know nothing about technology.
Even if the device was worth buying, which it isn't, what really kills it is the fact that these apple gadgets' software is heavily proprietary. On a side note, I might consider a similar Android based device.
Just buy a netbook. Oh, but Steve "Motherfucker" Jobs said that netbooks suck, so I guess iPad it is!
More overpriced, closed-system, monopolistic, proprietary products from Apple. Except this time, the product rather sucks, too. And this is coming from someone who loves the iPhone/iPod touch.
Oh well, I'm sure the Apple cultists (you can always tell who they are) will be frothing at the mouth at the thought of Steve taking a dump in their mouth with this thing.
On January 28 2010 18:51 BloodDrunK wrote: i saw the unveiling yesterday and to be honest i wasn't much impressed with it.i looked like a laptop sized iphone.it also has functions present in the iphone.plus it can read ebooks which is good.but the bad thing is that though it's almost the size of a laptop,it dosen't even come close to being good.it's a completely useless product imao.plus the battery only runs for like 10 hours which btw is beyond crap.also it's name is kinda girly to me and the worst thing of all is that this piece of shit is worth ~700$.i mean i seriously can't see people buying this unless they're a bunch of dumbasses who know nothing about technology.
Seems like you need to buy a new keyboard. Your shift and space keys aren't working most of the time...
I'm suprised about the price, like a lot of people seem to be. Cheap enough that I might actually consider buying something from apple once again *shock* *horror*
On January 28 2010 14:18 Jibba wrote: That's not the best comparison either. If I'm not mistaken, the 1ghz Arm A-8 beats any Atom processor out now.
yup. not only that, but those who attended the keynote have been raving about the speed of the device. apple recently bought a company that makes mobile processors, and their A4 is supposedly fast as hell.
After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote: After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.
i really like apple products (i don't have them because i'm poor :D) but this is freaking bad.
If only apple fixed the app store and stopped third partying software, I would buy them without a second thought. Now I'm waiting for an iphone-sized developing gadget.
Really, I don't get why all the nerdrage over some silly announcement, one would imagine Steve Jobs himself was forcing it down their throats.
Though I am no apple fan, I gotta say the iPad does look sexy... though obviously I won't buy it since anything that's apple (except maybe ipods) are waay overpriced considering their shitty functions.
Netbook > iPad ($700 for 64gb????!! I understand its SSD, but still...) Laptop >>>> iPad
That said, and like others have said, iPad will sell so well... damnit, shoulda bought Apple stocks a month ago
On January 28 2010 05:46 IntoTheWow wrote: It's more than just an iPod touch that won't fit in your pocket...it's also an underpowered netbook with no keyboard. It's the worst of both worlds!
It actually has a robust power source; it is powered almost entirely by the user's sense of self-importance.
On January 28 2010 05:46 IntoTheWow wrote: It's more than just an iPod touch that won't fit in your pocket...it's also an underpowered netbook with no keyboard. It's the worst of both worlds!
It actually has a robust power source; it is powered almost entirely by the user's sense of self-importance.
Actually Apple are a bunch of cunts, they purposely restrict flash to force their users to use Apple products only and ban third parties from their hardware.
This product is freaking terrible, an oversized iPod that's as big as a NetBook but with less capabilities.
If you already own an iPod or an iPhone and own a laptop, this product will not do anything the former two already do.
On January 28 2010 14:16 Loser777 wrote: I think you are trolling us, VManOfMana. You claim to be a "software geek". Software geeks are not blind to horrendous flaws in any device.
Have you heard of something called a netbook? It's something along the lines of $200 with more than triple the storage and a processor that actually runs software. 140,000 apps? How many do you think have been developed for windows?
It doesn't try to fill the role of a computer. With a 9.7" screen? Seriously, what are you going to do, throw it in your backpack before you go to the library? I guess you can't do that with a laptop, wait.
Tell me, what market is this device targeting? Those who want to read books on the go and watch movies? The screen isn't any more suitable for book reading than a laptop is, and it doesn't even support 1080p video.
You probably haven't even seen the comparison charts that have been floating around.
Not really. I am just trying to explain the reasons why I see myself as a potential iPad owner. Obviously I don't see things the same as most people here. But the fact you don't agree doesn't mean I am trolling.
At 9.7" I doubt many people will notice the difference between 720 and 1080p. Besides, if I want to watch 1080p, I'll certainly won't do it at less than 24".
I have heard of netbooks. Tried them. Don't like them. To me, they are just a shrinked version of computers I don't like using in the first place. I have never felt comfortable working on Windows. No matter how fast the computer is, I find the OS to be cumbersome and annoying to use. Its little things here and there, but it builds up. You put that together in a smaller screen and a smaller keyboard and touchpad, and it gets worse (especially with my big hands). They do the job for some people, but not for me.
What I am looking for is not a portable computer, but a satellite of my computer. Something that I can use short-term, on-the-go, with data synced from my main computer. This is the market the iPad is going for. So yeah, the main competition is netbooks. The twist here, is that unlike netbooks, Apple has a different approach than further shrinking a laptop.
Being a "software geek" means that to me, specs are a secondary factor. I don't care for the capabilities of the system or how many things it can do as much as:
1. *how* it lets me do it. 2. it does what I want it to do
It just happens that in terms of software design, Apple does things in such a way I feel comfortably working with. That is something I discovered with my mother's iMac, after my years of OS/2 and Windows.
Thats why I don't find the comparison sheet too relevant. The only things that I care for in that list are:
* resolution, but I'd consider the screen size and DPI to be more important. * OS, I actually liked many design elements of the modified iPhone OS. There are drawbacks (mainly multitasking) but not much of an issue consider what I would use an iPad for. Multitouch is used more extensively than the iPhone, not limiting your fingers to be a replacement of a mouse. This is a good thing. * Weight/physical size. They affect how easy it is to carry. I don't go to school anymore so I seldom carry a backpack when I am not at work. * Wifi, well, I need to connect to the internet.
As of the rest:
* I dont care for CPU and memory as long as they can carry the OS and applications. I don't even remember the speed and memory on my laptop. * storage, considering I am looking for a satellite of my main computer, I only need to put the data I will use short term. Certainly less than 250 GB. * bluetooth, rarely use it * USB ports, convenient but I don't find them essential, since syncing will be the main form of data sharing * Audio/video: I rarely watch fansubs (MKV, etc) anymore. For everything else there is AAC, Apple Lossless and H.264. If needed I can fallback to using Handbrake. * Price: I actually don't mind dishing the extra money for something I like that much better. I did it on the iPhone, I did it on the MBP. For me, the OS and convenience are the most valuable things I can buy. Not the hardware specs.
Yes most of this is subjective, but to each their own.
By the way, I doubt I would get an iPad if I was still in college.
Spoilered the quote so this post isn't huge.
With regards to apple and the quality of their software over ms software, their 3rd party apps over windows 3rd party apps, why I use their computers, and etc., I can't agree more. I feel very much the same about OSX vs windows.
And I can even appreciate the satellite potentiality of a tablet PC, I just wish the OS wasn't so restrictive on the iPad. I can think of a whole bunch of ways I could use an iPad as a satellite peripheral to a home network or something, but when I imagine using them with the iPad OS I can see it being frustrating.
Or if it could do something to make me use it as a sketchpad (Read: Pen) for sketching out ideas, brainstorming etc when going through the creative process.
I think what would be awesome is if they used the same paradigm they use with OSX. OSX is at its core unix, as has been brought up a few times in the thread. It hides all of that from you with various layers of abstractions, but it doesn't stop you from going all the way down to unix if you want to. Allowing you to override, change, augment the abstractions they provide. From my (admittedly fairly limited knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong) knowledge of the iPhone/iPad OS you don't get to go deep, all you get to do is install and run the apps. Which I feel is quite limiting. So where normally the argument, "Mac treats you like a child" is unfounded, in this case it seems to be fairly accurate.
Maybe these problems could be solved if it's hacked, who knows.
Well I guess it shouldn't be surprising to find nothing but outright hostility in a forum filled mostly with people that only use the computer to play videogames and watch pornos in flash-based free sites.
So what is flash useful for? Besides watching streamed pornos and some cute games? (and I guess streamed sc too but oh well). Apple does not develop most of the things you see in the app store, so saying they're forcing people to use their apps is ridiculous, (not like microsoft does any differently). You can still watch youtube on the iphone, I imagine you can watch it on this gadget too.
The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.
The lack of a usb drive is not an issue. I mean I can imagine the horror at not being able to connect a laser-precision mouse to play your mmorpgs or whatever. But this is not meant to play games. External hard drives and shit shouldn't be needed because this isn't a server or a workstation. Even then, there are bluetooth hard drives, memory sticks, keyboards and mice, particularly from apple.
Comparing it to a netbook is a little far fetched because of the touch screen, rather compare it to a tablet PC (which are pretty damn expensive), though i don't know if you can write on it without fucking up the screen. It is also faster than most netbooks.
And well, in design it isn't even a contest. Apple has never been bested in this area.
i agree with most of your post cloud, but part about the blackberry is wrong. there's multiple developer markets for blackberrys (i personally have several friends who develop blackberry apps and subsequently became employed by RIM).
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote: After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.
lol. i think it's a safe bet to predict, for both apple and microsoft, that their latest mobile ventures will follow the same path as their respective predecessors. the iphone got a shittone of flack when it first came out -- but a after a few releases, gps here, 3G there, it established a pretty firm grip on the market.
On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote: Well I guess it shouldn't be surprising to find nothing but outright hostility in a forum filled mostly with people that only use the computer to play videogames
Fair enough, except Apple has jumped on the gaming bandwagon and constantly derides its competitors for not offering the same gaming experience, including Nintendo of all companies. BTW,
Hard keyboard + gaming = win.
So what is flash useful for? Besides watching streamed pornos and some cute games? (and I guess streamed sc too but oh well). Apple does not develop most of the things you see in the app store, so saying they're forcing people to use their apps is ridiculous, (not like microsoft does any differently).
Uh... yes it does. Microsoft allows open access to anything you want to put on their devices. WinMo has plenty of problems, but restricting what apps you can install is not one of them. Nobody else treats the enduser like a renter the way Apple does. Apple has complete control over what you're allowed to install, on an untampered device.
The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.
RIM has handled it better with paid apps, and hopefully Palms new SDK will be good, but you're pretty much right. The App Store is what sets Apple apart, and it's currently the best place for devs to make money. This is the software industry, though, and it can change very quickly.
The lack of a usb drive is not an issue. I mean I can imagine the horror at not being able to connect a laser-precision mouse to play your mmorpgs or whatever. But this is not meant to play games. External hard drives and shit shouldn't be needed because this isn't a server or a workstation. Even then, there are bluetooth hard drives, memory sticks, keyboards and mice, particularly from apple.
Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.
It is also faster than most netbooks.
True, but again, the device is throttled by the OS, not the hardware.
And well, in design it isn't even a contest. Apple has never been bested in this area.
It's a big ass ugly beveled pad. I imagine typing on this thing is a pain in the ass. iPhone is quite good because it's handheld, but how can you seriously keep this thing in your hand for more than 15+ minutes? It's fairly large, and you have to have the dock or set it down to type on it.
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote: After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.
I've been sold already since they announced it, now show me an actual product.
Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.
To be fair, if iPad gets enough traction, we'll probably see cloud storage like Dropbox releasing software for it, no?
On January 28 2010 21:57 Cloud wrote: If only apple fixed the app store and stopped third partying software, I would buy them without a second thought. Now I'm waiting for an iphone-sized developing gadget.
Really, I don't get why all the nerdrage over some silly announcement, one would imagine Steve Jobs himself was forcing it down their throats.
stopping third party software? those apps are what make app store such a success, not to mention the iphone..
On January 28 2010 21:57 Cloud wrote: If only apple fixed the app store and stopped third partying software, I would buy them without a second thought. Now I'm waiting for an iphone-sized developing gadget.
Really, I don't get why all the nerdrage over some silly announcement, one would imagine Steve Jobs himself was forcing it down their throats.
stopping third party software? those apps are what make app store such a success, not to mention the iphone..
I meant that apple should stop acting as a third party (or intermediary) between developer and user. Just like they do with a record label and a guy that wants to buy music.
This item is perfect. The problem with ipods/iphones was that they fit inside pockets. Now your expensive jewellery can be shamelessly flaunted and you can finally increase your social status!
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote: After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.
Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.
To be fair, if iPad gets enough traction, we'll probably see cloud storage like Dropbox releasing software for it, no?
On January 29 2010 00:37 Nytefish wrote: This item is perfect. The problem with ipods/iphones was that they fit inside pockets. Now your expensive jewellery can be shamelessly flaunted and you can finally increase your social status!
I know amirite? Like all other mac products, it should have a sign on it that says "Hipster/Psuedo Intellectual", and it should be able to tell those guys at Starbucks how cool you are FOR you.
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote: After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.
I've been sold already since they announced it, now show me an actual product.
Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.
To be fair, if iPad gets enough traction, we'll probably see cloud storage like Dropbox releasing software for it, no?
On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote: The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.
By 'developers' you mean people who develop apps for apple stuff? Because I know quite a bunch of professional programmers and they wouldn't even come anywhere close to apple products because it has nothing to offer them. They're either on Windows or Linux (if they don't need MS Exchange or Visual Studio). Besides, how is iPad going to help you develop your stuff? To do some programming you need a keyboard, no?
On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote: Well I guess it shouldn't be surprising to find nothing but outright hostility in a forum filled mostly with people that only use the computer to play videogames
So what is flash useful for? Besides watching streamed pornos and some cute games? (and I guess streamed sc too but oh well). Apple does not develop most of the things you see in the app store, so saying they're forcing people to use their apps is ridiculous, (not like microsoft does any differently).
Uh... yes it does. Microsoft allows open access to anything you want to put on their devices. WinMo has plenty of problems, but restricting what apps you can install is not one of them. Nobody else treats the enduser like a renter the way Apple does. Apple has complete control over what you're allowed to install, on an untampered device.
The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.
RIM has handled it better with paid apps, and hopefully Palms new SDK will be good, but you're pretty much right. The App Store is what sets Apple apart, and it's currently the best place for devs to make money. This is the software industry, though, and it can change very quickly.
The lack of a usb drive is not an issue. I mean I can imagine the horror at not being able to connect a laser-precision mouse to play your mmorpgs or whatever. But this is not meant to play games. External hard drives and shit shouldn't be needed because this isn't a server or a workstation. Even then, there are bluetooth hard drives, memory sticks, keyboards and mice, particularly from apple.
Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.
And well, in design it isn't even a contest. Apple has never been bested in this area.
It's a big ass ugly beveled pad. I imagine typing on this thing is a pain in the ass. iPhone is quite good because it's handheld, but how can you seriously keep this thing in your hand for more than 15+ minutes? It's fairly large, and you have to have the dock or set it down to type on it.
This is the Dell Mini 5 tablet.
Does the iPad really look prettier to you?
Have to agree with you on everything you just said, but it would take more than that to persuade a fanboy.
Can't wait to laugh at people lugging this thing around.
On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote: The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.
By 'developers' you mean people who develop apps for apple stuff? Because I know quite a bunch of professional programmers and they wouldn't even come anywhere close to apple products because it has nothing to offer them. They're either on Windows or Linux (if they don't need MS Exchange or Visual Studio). Besides, how is iPad going to help you develop your stuff? To do some programming you need a keyboard, no?
-.- You program applications and sell them via appstore.
And well, I hate dell with their goddam repetitive use of that stupid plastic that makes a perfect surface to wallpaper your fingerprints. The aluminium surfaces that apple uses are way better.
The ipad weighs 1.5 pounds, about .7 kg. That's not too much. To hold the ipad, well you can use both hands instead of one or let it rest in your forearm. Fucking mindblowing right?
And yes I do think the ipod or ipad are much prettier than the dell mini tablet, I look at the photo and I can't guess what the heck it is, it looks like a hard drive casing.
I do use memory sticks to save my files and there are bluetooth memory sticks.
I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).
MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!
On January 29 2010 01:59 torm3ntin wrote: I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).
MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!
A failure according to who? I mean you can call mac fans cocksuckers, retards and everything else this thread can come up with. Just like you would call coldplay or radiohead fans faggots and all you like. Thinking you're so cool because you're such a rebel that thinks good taste necessarily comes from picking a minority. Apple sells better than microsoft. I haven't seen a single guy in this thread that supports apple while calling the others cocksuckers or retards or fanboys.
On January 28 2010 05:03 CharlieMurphy wrote: Apple shit sucks and is overpriced. At least they are consistent.
Touch screen stuff is the worst gimmick since getting a coupon for a free drink when you buy fries and a burger.
I don't think they're consistent. I remember like 6 years ago (ish?) when the 4th gen ipod first came out. I had a choice of getting a 20gig player from apple with nice interface for 200 bucks, or a host of 128mb players for like 120 bucks, all with crappy tiny screens that would take forever to scroll thru your music, at least if you could fit more than 3 albums onto them.
Right now apple offers players that are very stable... but that are filled with DRM, lack codec support other players are giving, and are generally very expensive. The worst part about it though, is that because ipod have become so popular, many brands have pulled out of the DAP market in Canada... So if I want a player from Samsung or some other stable company, I have to ship it.
(Sorry this post doesn't have much to do with the tablet... I just want to say Apple used to be a pretty obscure company with competetive/daring products. Savvy people would flock to them despite being PC users, because they were offering the best mp3 player out there. Then apple turned marketing mode and offered a player in 6 fruity colours and nothing would ever be the same again.
On January 29 2010 01:59 torm3ntin wrote: I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).
MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!
A failure according to who? I mean you can call mac fans cocksuckers, retards and everything else this thread can come up with. Just like you would call coldplay or radiohead fans faggots and all you like. Thinking you're so cool because you're such a rebel that thinks good taste necessarily comes from picking a minority. Apple sells better than microsoft. I haven't seen a single guy in this thread that supports apple while calling the others cocksuckers or retards.
Its not about good taste, when purchasing an electronic product there are many more important things to consider than "good looks". Most PC users don't even care what brand of computer/notebook they use, most of the time they would choose the best product they could get with the budget they have. Mac fans simply purchase an apple product without even looking at the competition. Well, if buying an ipad makes you happy, then why not? No need to get all worked up.
Btw, Apple does not sell better than Microsoft, unless your talking about the zune.
On January 29 2010 01:59 torm3ntin wrote: I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).
MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!
A failure according to who? I mean you can call mac fans cocksuckers, retards and everything else this thread can come up with. Just like you would call coldplay or radiohead fans faggots and all you like. Thinking you're so cool because you're such a rebel that thinks good taste necessarily comes from picking a minority. Apple sells better than microsoft. I haven't seen a single guy in this thread that supports apple while calling the others cocksuckers or retards.
Its not about good taste, when purchasing an electronic product there are many more important things to consider than "good looks". Most PC users don't even care what brand of computer/notebook they use, most of the time they would choose the best product they could get with the budget they have. Mac fans simply purchase an apple product without even looking at the competition. Well, if buying an ipad makes you happy, then why not? No need to get all worked up.
Btw, Apple does not sell better than Microsoft, unless your talking about the zune.
http://www.vertygoteam.com/apple_vs_microsoft.php Up to 2007, though I don't think microsoft has done much in these years. Particularly because of all the mobiles coming out, I think microsoft is even worse.
Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.
What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it? This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.
On January 29 2010 02:40 niteReloaded wrote: Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.
What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it? This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.
On January 29 2010 02:40 niteReloaded wrote: Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.
What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it? This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.
I can see that, but CES this year was basically entirely tablets and e-readers, and most of them had far more impressive hardware than the iPad, especially the Tegra 2 ones. The main difference is Android vs iPhoneOS.
For myself, the iPad doesn't seem.. something everyday to me. The iPhone has turned out great, I remember my friend first getting it when it came out, selection was lackluster at first, now it's just filled with all sorts of things.
I probably can't see myself getting one, it just doesn't seem to do things that appeal to me. I myself tried out the Kindle thing, but I never used it enough to really warrant how much I paid for it. Don't get me wrong, they can make this the best they can and I'm sure it'd be great. I just don't see it being as popular as the previous entries.
Could be senile though, it could eventually grow in popularity.
On January 29 2010 02:40 niteReloaded wrote: Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.
What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it? This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.
I can see that, but CES this year was basically entirely tablets and e-readers, and most of them had far more impressive hardware than the iPad, especially the Tegra 2 ones. The main difference is Android vs iPhoneOS.
On the bright side, Asus is finally coming out with their Tablet that they just kept quiet on for CES, along with something from MSI. It even seems like that MSI scheduled the release of their tablet to bump heads with iPad.
As for the cool factor, well, doesn't the fact that it is "cool" transcend hardware rather? Heh.
On January 29 2010 02:40 niteReloaded wrote: Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.
What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it? This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.
I can see that, but CES this year was basically entirely tablets and e-readers, and most of them had far more impressive hardware than the iPad, especially the Tegra 2 ones. The main difference is Android vs iPhoneOS.
On the bright side, Asus is finally coming out with their Tablet that they just kept quiet on for CES, along with something from MSI. It even seems like that MSI scheduled the release of their tablet to bump heads with iPad.
As for the cool factor, well, doesn't the fact that it is "cool" transcend hardware rather? Heh.
In terms of hardware power, yeah, but cool for me would be a tablet with a camera so I can do video calls or have it as a living room extension of my computer.
It doesn't matter how "good" this thing is. No Flash and No Multitasking is hilarious failure of an extreme nature.
The no USB port is also horrible but slightly more forgivable. If Steve Jobs wants to compare this thing to a netbook he needs to do a much better job.
On January 29 2010 03:50 wishbones wrote: ive never even owned a cell phone, so i dont plan on buying this little thing.
Oh wow... how can anyone not have a cell phone these days?
On January 29 2010 03:50 Jayme wrote: It doesn't matter how "good" this thing is. No Flash and No Multitasking is hilarious failure of an extreme nature.
The no USB port is also horrible but slightly more forgivable. If Steve Jobs wants to compare this thing to a netbook he needs to do a much better job.
On January 29 2010 03:50 Jayme wrote: It doesn't matter how "good" this thing is. No Flash and No Multitasking is hilarious failure of an extreme nature.
The no USB port is also horrible but slightly more forgivable. If Steve Jobs wants to compare this thing to a netbook he needs to do a much better job.
On January 29 2010 03:50 wishbones wrote: ive never even owned a cell phone, so i dont plan on buying this little thing.
Oh wow... how can anyone not have a cell phone these days?
i have a house phone lol. Anyone wants me catch while im home otherwise im probably alraeedy with ya
lol wtf, the other day I was going to my friend's apartment for the first time, and I managed to forget my cellphone for the first time in like 3-4 years. And I didn't know the exact location of her place and it took me serious efforts, wasted time and energy to accomplish what I would do in 15 seconds with a cellphone.
Brings a breath of humility when you realize the people had rich lives, plans, meetings even without this in the past.
all this comparisons to netbooks and the likes are a bit off imo… i am an graphic designer and illustrator, and i can't wait to do sketching and painting on the ipad. i long thought about getting a cintiq… http://www.wacom.com/cintiq/cintiq-12wx.php – but in a few months, i can make digital paintings or scribbles anywhere i like, for half the price of the cintiq (pc not included). this thing is made for artists!
On January 29 2010 04:43 zuqbu wrote: all this comparisons to netbooks and the likes are a bit off imo… i am an graphic designer and illustrator, and i can't wait to do sketching and painting on the ipad. i long thought about getting a cintiq... but in a few months, i can make digital paintings or scribbles anywhere i like, for half the price of the cintiq (pc not included). this thing is made for artists!
can't wait to draw and sketch with your fingers instead of a pen?
On January 29 2010 04:43 zuqbu wrote: all this comparisons to netbooks and the likes are a bit off imo… i am an graphic designer and illustrator, and i can't wait to do sketching and painting on the ipad. i long thought about getting a cintiq... but in a few months, i can make digital paintings or scribbles anywhere i like, for half the price of the cintiq (pc not included). this thing is made for artists!
can't wait to draw and sketch with your fingers instead of a pen?
it's quite natural, once you have adjusted to it. and it doesn't need much time getting used to. the brushes app they showed in the stage demo works great on the iphone. the only complaint i have with it, is that the iphone's screen is just too small, you keep zooming in and out too much while working on details, while not getting lost in the composition. like making posters or print campaigns on a 15 inch screen.
The more I think about it I find myself kinda' confused...
What exactly is the iPad for? Peope have mentioned a satellite of your hope computer, but isn't that the entire point of a small, lightweight laptop? It just seems like a gigantic gimmick that I can't quite wrap my head around.
It looks like Apple is continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers. Unlike many other ebook readers using the ePub file format, consumers will not be able to access ePub content with Apple's DRM technology on devices made by other manufacturers. And without Flash support, iPad users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web. If I want to use the iPad to connect to Disney, Hulu, Miniclip, Farmville, ESPN, Kongregate, or JibJab -- not to mention the millions of other sites on the web -- I'll be out of luck.
Also, according to Engadget, Fujitsu is already selling a device called iPad and has a pending trademark application for it.
the value in ipad is in the software all the magazines, newspapers, and book publishers are going to be making. if you want to do that then this is a good product, if not then pass
It looks like Apple is continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers. Unlike many other ebook readers using the ePub file format, consumers will not be able to access ePub content with Apple's DRM technology on devices made by other manufacturers. And without Flash support, iPad users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web. If I want to use the iPad to connect to Disney, Hulu, Miniclip, Farmville, ESPN, Kongregate, or JibJab -- not to mention the millions of other sites on the web -- I'll be out of luck.
Also, according to Engadget, Fujitsu is already selling a device called iPad and has a pending trademark application for it.
Whatever the reason behind the lack of flash support is, it does put a bit of pressure on Adobe that Apple should be moving along a h.264 and html 5 track, which imo isn't bad at all. Of course, it also means that the product's usability to most people dropped to nil, but still.
On January 29 2010 02:35 Cloud wrote: Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Most people don't take Apple's design as an offense. It's just that Apple is making stuff just because of the design. Like aforementioned MacBook Air which is super thin and sleek looking but a piece of overheating garbage without basically any ports (1x USB and 1x RJ45, no cd-rom or whatever), slow and small harddrive etc. I mean, what if I wanted to print some file I have on a CD if this stuff would be the only laptop I have? I would have to plug in the SuperDrive (for a mere $100), copy the file to the comp, unplug the drive, plug in the printer and then print... All that without a mouse. Are they serious?
And games do work on Linux. So does Photoshop and almost anything released for Windows and list of supported stuff is growing on a daily basis. Sorry to spoil your rant.
On January 29 2010 02:35 Cloud wrote: Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Most people don't take Apple's design as an offense. It's just that Apple is making stuff just because of the design. Like aforementioned MacBook Air which is super thin and sleek looking but a piece of overheating garbage without basically any ports (1x USB and 1x RJ45, no cd-rom or whatever), slow and small harddrive etc. I mean, what if I wanted to print some file I have on a CD if this stuff would be the only laptop I have? I would have to plug in the SuperDrive (for a mere $100), copy the file to the comp, unplug the drive, plug in the printer and then print... All that without a mouse. Are they serious?
And games do work on Linux. So does Photoshop and almost anything released for Windows and list of supported stuff is growing on a daily basis. Sorry to spoil your rant.
Then don't buy a Mac Book Air? Your hypothetical situation is retarded.
On January 29 2010 02:35 Cloud wrote: Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Most people don't take Apple's design as an offense. It's just that Apple is making stuff just because of the design. Like aforementioned MacBook Air which is super thin and sleek looking but a piece of overheating garbage without basically any ports (1x USB and 1x RJ45, no cd-rom or whatever), slow and small harddrive etc. I mean, what if I wanted to print some file I have on a CD if this stuff would be the only laptop I have? I would have to plug in the SuperDrive (for a mere $100), copy the file to the comp, unplug the drive, plug in the printer and then print... All that without a mouse. Are they serious?
And games do work on Linux. So does Photoshop and almost anything released for Windows and list of supported stuff is growing on a daily basis. Sorry to spoil your rant.
Then don't buy a Mac Book Air? Your hypothetical situation is retarded.
I think he was more making the point that apple is making products simply because they look pretty from a design standpoint, not because they are actually filling any niche in the market. To a certain degree, I am behind that.
His situation with the MacBook Air is more an example of a previous product that apple released that was similar to the iPad. sure it's cool and pretty and very small, but why do you need a slow computer? Specifically, why do you need a slow computer at that price point.
Apple's products are starting to trend towards the overpriced and no clearly defined use end of the spectrum, and it's confusing why people keep buying them. It's not like their tablet is this new fangled invention that has finally come into being like Christ descending from the clouds. I've had an hp tablet laptop for a year and a half now. It cost me $900 (bit of a discount but still), and not only do I get a tablet, I also get a half decent computer with keyboard, dvd-rom, 250gb of storage(the new ones have 500) etc. What does the iPad do that another device or two other devices for the same cost couldn't?
On January 29 2010 02:35 Cloud wrote: Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Most people don't take Apple's design as an offense. It's just that Apple is making stuff just because of the design. Like aforementioned MacBook Air which is super thin and sleek looking but a piece of overheating garbage without basically any ports (1x USB and 1x RJ45, no cd-rom or whatever), slow and small harddrive etc. I mean, what if I wanted to print some file I have on a CD if this stuff would be the only laptop I have? I would have to plug in the SuperDrive (for a mere $100), copy the file to the comp, unplug the drive, plug in the printer and then print... All that without a mouse. Are they serious?
And games do work on Linux. So does Photoshop and almost anything released for Windows and list of supported stuff is growing on a daily basis. Sorry to spoil your rant.
Then don't buy a Mac Book Air? Your hypothetical situation is retarded.
I think he was more making the point that apple is making products simply because they look pretty from a design standpoint, not because they are actually filling any niche in the market. To a certain degree, I am behind that.
His situation with the MacBook Air is more an example of a previous product that apple released that was similar to the iPad. sure it's cool and pretty and very small, but why do you need a slow computer? Specifically, why do you need a slow computer at that price point.
Apple's products are starting to trend towards the overpriced and no clearly defined use end of the spectrum, and it's confusing why people keep buying them. It's not like their tablet is this new fangled invention that has finally come into being like Christ descending from the clouds. I've had an hp tablet laptop for a year and a half now. It cost me $900 (bit of a discount but still), and not only do I get a tablet, I also get a half decent computer with keyboard, dvd-rom, 250gb of storage(the new ones have 500) etc. What does the iPad do that another device or two other devices for the same cost couldn't?
Apparent you get having a lighter Pad and getting to use Apple's shitty iphone OS instead of Microsoft's shitty mobile OS.
Actually the Mac Book Air is very nice and useful but only for a small select few travelers.
Most people buy it for the cool factor. Not very compelling reason, but some people like to blow money on expensive gadgets. It's for the status. Kudos for Apple for effective marketing.
On January 29 2010 02:35 Cloud wrote: Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Most people don't take Apple's design as an offense. It's just that Apple is making stuff just because of the design. Like aforementioned MacBook Air which is super thin and sleek looking but a piece of overheating garbage without basically any ports (1x USB and 1x RJ45, no cd-rom or whatever), slow and small harddrive etc. I mean, what if I wanted to print some file I have on a CD if this stuff would be the only laptop I have? I would have to plug in the SuperDrive (for a mere $100), copy the file to the comp, unplug the drive, plug in the printer and then print... All that without a mouse. Are they serious?
And games do work on Linux. So does Photoshop and almost anything released for Windows and list of supported stuff is growing on a daily basis. Sorry to spoil your rant.
I think you might have missed the "ultraportable" part. Most of those kinds of laptops don't have cd-roms as a rule. Why the heck would you want a cd rom anyway? It would add to the heat and they wouldn't be as portable. And on that point, every laptop in existence has heating issues don't try to play the smartass and shrug this off as an overheating piece of crap.
One usb is sufficient, and have you ever heard of BLUETOOTH? The rj45 is a bonus and coupled with the usb you can dock it in a station, and either way with an ultraportable you want wi-fi.
A big part of the design is that it doesn't feel like a fragile piece of plastic like the rest of the ultraportables.
And your analogy of the cd rom in hell, well, BLUETOOTH motherfucker. OR a god damn docking station where I imagine you have your printer, external cd-rom and whatever other shit because you are a smart kid who uses his laptop as the mobile part of his work station, I'd imagine you don't carry your printer and cd-rom along with your laptop everywhere.
Games don't run as fast as they could on Linux. Macs can run photoshop, why the hell would you think otherwise? that list of supported stuff is for Unix, that includes OS X did you know?
On January 29 2010 02:35 Cloud wrote: Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
Most people don't take Apple's design as an offense. It's just that Apple is making stuff just because of the design. Like aforementioned MacBook Air which is super thin and sleek looking but a piece of overheating garbage without basically any ports (1x USB and 1x RJ45, no cd-rom or whatever), slow and small harddrive etc. I mean, what if I wanted to print some file I have on a CD if this stuff would be the only laptop I have? I would have to plug in the SuperDrive (for a mere $100), copy the file to the comp, unplug the drive, plug in the printer and then print... All that without a mouse. Are they serious?
And games do work on Linux. So does Photoshop and almost anything released for Windows and list of supported stuff is growing on a daily basis. Sorry to spoil your rant.
Then don't buy a Mac Book Air? Your hypothetical situation is retarded.
I think he was more making the point that apple is making products simply because they look pretty from a design standpoint, not because they are actually filling any niche in the market. To a certain degree, I am behind that.
His situation with the MacBook Air is more an example of a previous product that apple released that was similar to the iPad. sure it's cool and pretty and very small, but why do you need a slow computer? Specifically, why do you need a slow computer at that price point.
Apple's products are starting to trend towards the overpriced and no clearly defined use end of the spectrum, and it's confusing why people keep buying them. It's not like their tablet is this new fangled invention that has finally come into being like Christ descending from the clouds. I've had an hp tablet laptop for a year and a half now. It cost me $900 (bit of a discount but still), and not only do I get a tablet, I also get a half decent computer with keyboard, dvd-rom, 250gb of storage(the new ones have 500) etc. What does the iPad do that another device or two other devices for the same cost couldn't?
Apparent you get having a lighter Pad and getting to use Apple's shitty iphone OS instead of Microsoft's shitty mobile OS.
Actually the Mac Book Air is very nice and useful but only for a small select few travelers.
Most people buy it for the cool factor. Not very compelling reason, but some people like to blow money on expensive gadgets. It's for the status. Kudos for Apple for effective marketing.
Yeah man, there's a huge ass difference (in numbers) between apple consumers and microsoft consumers. I'm sure they are all just for show since that really makes sense with the economical distribution of this planet.
On January 28 2010 23:17 win8282 wrote: Though I am no apple fan, I gotta say the iPad does look sexy... though obviously I won't buy it since anything that's apple (except maybe ipods) are waay overpriced considering their shitty functions.
Netbook > iPad ($700 for 64gb????!! I understand its SSD, but still...) Laptop >>>> iPad
That said, and like others have said, iPad will sell so well... damnit, shoulda bought Apple stocks a month ago
its being sent out so soon cause its trend setting. thats what Mac is really all about, makeing you think its i good idea to have the next step in tech.
From a marketing point of view its smart, as the last 2 things they did (iphone i pod) were sucessfull, although there are and were better things when both came out.
As usual they send the cheapo ( for them ) version so if it dosent work they dont lose that much money but if it dose they will slowly make it better and better, and they win big bucks the first day.
Advice: Dont buy it wait for something better to come out or wait 4-6 months for it to lower its price
Yeah, the iPad has got to be the WORST name ever, considering it sounds like something a girl would use during menstruation, and they could've chosen from iSlate, iTablet, and basically everything EXCEPT iPad.
On January 29 2010 13:01 NeCroPoTeNce wrote: Yeah, the iPad has got to be the WORST name ever, considering it sounds like something a girl would use during menstruation, and they could've chosen from iSlate, iTablet, and basically everything EXCEPT iPad.
On January 29 2010 12:25 Cloud wrote: Yeah man, there's a huge ass difference (in numbers) between apple consumers and microsoft consumers. I'm sure they are all just for show since that really makes sense with the economical distribution of this planet.
I'm going to assume this is sarcastic.
1) Yes there is a huge ass difference in numbers. As of December, Microsoft makes up 92% of OS market share, Apple makes up about 5%.
2) Economic distribution of the planet? Most of the planet doesn't fall in the income range for buying personal computers to begin with. In fact, I'd say that the numbers probably fall within the reasonable range when compared to the incomes of the computer-buying population (especially when factoring in self-important college students who buy Macs with zero income skewing the numbers).
In fairness, I generally don't have a beef with Apple's hardware design. Yes it's overpriced, but a lot of that pricing comes into customer service and ease-of-use--which is primarily geared to a demographic that I don't fall into. I'm not going to bitch about something just because I'm not the target demographic. What I dislike about Apple is their philosophy to software design--the culture of strict control of what their product can be used for that's embodied in the iPhone App Store, as well as Apple's continued efforts to hamstring third-party interaction with the iPhone/iPod Touch (e.g. they were willing to give up functionality as a storage device when the sole apparent reason for doing so would be to prevent non-Itunes media players from syncing with the device).
I read a lot of posts that kept on saying "it's a big iPod Touch". Okay so what's wrong with that, I love my iPod touch.
Now being bigger I can watch video easier, internet becomes easier and it's touch . I can play Madden on here now, much better than an iPod touch. It'll start up quicker than a netbook, well because it's instant .
Now a netbook has advantages of it's own, but it can be a pain in the ass at times. It can be awfully slow, constant rebooting, and slow ass browsers. Don't forget about the memory links. You can talk about Apple and their pricing, and you're right but Microsoft is no cheap alternative.
Someone said no camera is a deal breaker , this is 10 inches, who is going to take this to the street and take a picture, LMAO.
I love my netbook but I could see me using an iPad for some tasks that are less tedious than on a netbook. I could see buying one for the wife (which I of course would use, a lot). She couldn't use a keyboard and mouse to save her life. This could be perfect for her.
Flash is a little concern to me but not much and I don't multitask on my netbook so I would not need it on an iPad.
And lastly, I'm 44 have a good job and can afford it . Actually I spend very little on myself so I use it on a product like this once in awhile.
It's probably been posted before, but it displays my opinion in the best possible way. But of course if you like to be trendy and cool the Ipad is far better than the stone!!!
On March 21 2010 07:13 mitchblue wrote: I read a lot of posts that kept on saying "it's a big iPod Touch". Okay so what's wrong with that, I love my iPod touch.
Now being bigger I can watch video easier, internet becomes easier and it's touch . I can play Madden on here now, much better than an iPod touch. It'll start up quicker than a netbook, well because it's instant .
Now a netbook has advantages of it's own, but it can be a pain in the ass at times. It can be awfully slow, constant rebooting, and slow ass browsers. Don't forget about the memory links. You can talk about Apple and their pricing, and you're right but Microsoft is no cheap alternative.
Someone said no camera is a deal breaker , this is 10 inches, who is going to take this to the street and take a picture, LMAO.
I love my netbook but I could see me using an iPad for some tasks that are less tedious than on a netbook. I could see buying one for the wife (which I of course would use, a lot). She couldn't use a keyboard and mouse to save her life. This could be perfect for her.
Flash is a little concern to me but not much and I don't multitask on my netbook so I would not need it on an iPad.
And lastly, I'm 44 have a good job and can afford it . Actually I spend very little on myself so I use it on a product like this once in awhile.
Nonetheless, not for the masses but I'll like it.
Wait a second...you say netbooks can be slow but do you realize that the ipad comes with a 1GHz processor made by Apple (with god knows what terrible architecture they are using)? Whereas a netbook is easily 1.83GHz dual-core made by Intel?
If you spend very little on yourself, you might wanna just save your money and get something that's more worth it
And a netbook would easily be half the price of the cheapest ipad model.
On March 21 2010 07:13 mitchblue wrote: I read a lot of posts that kept on saying "it's a big iPod Touch". Okay so what's wrong with that, I love my iPod touch.
Now being bigger I can watch video easier, internet becomes easier and it's touch . I can play Madden on here now, much better than an iPod touch. It'll start up quicker than a netbook, well because it's instant .
Now a netbook has advantages of it's own, but it can be a pain in the ass at times. It can be awfully slow, constant rebooting, and slow ass browsers. Don't forget about the memory links. You can talk about Apple and their pricing, and you're right but Microsoft is no cheap alternative.
Someone said no camera is a deal breaker , this is 10 inches, who is going to take this to the street and take a picture, LMAO.
I love my netbook but I could see me using an iPad for some tasks that are less tedious than on a netbook. I could see buying one for the wife (which I of course would use, a lot). She couldn't use a keyboard and mouse to save her life. This could be perfect for her.
Flash is a little concern to me but not much and I don't multitask on my netbook so I would not need it on an iPad.
And lastly, I'm 44 have a good job and can afford it . Actually I spend very little on myself so I use it on a product like this once in awhile.
Nonetheless, not for the masses but I'll like it.
Wait a second...you say netbooks can be slow but do you realize that the ipad comes with a 1GHz processor made by Apple (with god knows what terrible architecture they are using)? Whereas a netbook is easily 1.83GHz dual-core made by Intel?
If you spend very little on yourself, you might wanna just save your money and get something that's more worth it
And a netbook would easily be half the price of the cheapest ipad model.
a netbook uses the intel atom @ 1.6 Ghz... which is about as fast as a 1Ghz celeron. the focus of the atom is efficiency/low power usage. everyone knows apple products are over-priced and im not arguing against that, but until there are benchmarks, the 1Ghz ipad processor may very well be faster than an atom. not to mentioned it would be optimized for ipad apps...
It's probably been posted before, but it displays my opinion in the best possible way. But of course if you like to be trendy and cool the Ipad is far better than the stone!!!
On March 21 2010 07:13 mitchblue wrote: I read a lot of posts that kept on saying "it's a big iPod Touch". Okay so what's wrong with that, I love my iPod touch.
Now being bigger I can watch video easier, internet becomes easier and it's touch . I can play Madden on here now, much better than an iPod touch. It'll start up quicker than a netbook, well because it's instant .
Now a netbook has advantages of it's own, but it can be a pain in the ass at times. It can be awfully slow, constant rebooting, and slow ass browsers. Don't forget about the memory links. You can talk about Apple and their pricing, and you're right but Microsoft is no cheap alternative.
Someone said no camera is a deal breaker , this is 10 inches, who is going to take this to the street and take a picture, LMAO.
I love my netbook but I could see me using an iPad for some tasks that are less tedious than on a netbook. I could see buying one for the wife (which I of course would use, a lot). She couldn't use a keyboard and mouse to save her life. This could be perfect for her.
Flash is a little concern to me but not much and I don't multitask on my netbook so I would not need it on an iPad.
And lastly, I'm 44 have a good job and can afford it . Actually I spend very little on myself so I use it on a product like this once in awhile.
Nonetheless, not for the masses but I'll like it.
Wait a second...you say netbooks can be slow but do you realize that the ipad comes with a 1GHz processor made by Apple (with god knows what terrible architecture they are using)? Whereas a netbook is easily 1.83GHz dual-core made by Intel?
If you spend very little on yourself, you might wanna just save your money and get something that's more worth it
And a netbook would easily be half the price of the cheapest ipad model.
a netbook uses the intel atom @ 1.6 Ghz... which is about as fast as a 1Ghz celeron. the focus of the atom is efficiency/low power usage. everyone knows apple products are over-priced and im not arguing against that, but until there are benchmarks, the 1Ghz ipad processor may very well be faster than an atom. not to mentioned it would be optimized for ipad apps...
You can get a ~400 dollar netbook with a dual core CULV (or dual core AMD Neo). Wattage is similar to an Atom but its significantly faster. Mines has similar everyday performance as my PC and handles any game that isn't gpu heavy.
The target market for iPads is pretty much people with an insatiable boner for Apple.
On March 21 2010 07:13 mitchblue wrote: I read a lot of posts that kept on saying "it's a big iPod Touch". Okay so what's wrong with that, I love my iPod touch.
Now being bigger I can watch video easier, internet becomes easier and it's touch . I can play Madden on here now, much better than an iPod touch. It'll start up quicker than a netbook, well because it's instant .
Now a netbook has advantages of it's own, but it can be a pain in the ass at times. It can be awfully slow, constant rebooting, and slow ass browsers. Don't forget about the memory links. You can talk about Apple and their pricing, and you're right but Microsoft is no cheap alternative.
Someone said no camera is a deal breaker , this is 10 inches, who is going to take this to the street and take a picture, LMAO.
I love my netbook but I could see me using an iPad for some tasks that are less tedious than on a netbook. I could see buying one for the wife (which I of course would use, a lot). She couldn't use a keyboard and mouse to save her life. This could be perfect for her.
Flash is a little concern to me but not much and I don't multitask on my netbook so I would not need it on an iPad.
And lastly, I'm 44 have a good job and can afford it . Actually I spend very little on myself so I use it on a product like this once in awhile.
Nonetheless, not for the masses but I'll like it.
Wait a second...you say netbooks can be slow but do you realize that the ipad comes with a 1GHz processor made by Apple (with god knows what terrible architecture they are using)? Whereas a netbook is easily 1.83GHz dual-core made by Intel?
If you spend very little on yourself, you might wanna just save your money and get something that's more worth it
And a netbook would easily be half the price of the cheapest ipad model.
mitchblue isn't referring to the raw processing power but the nature of its software. does your mp3 player boot up and be ready to use before your pc finish its booting? yes!
ipad definitely can't compete with a netbook's capabilities. It's designed to be a simple tablet-like-pc. It target consumers who need a very simple portable computer that does certain tasks.
Possible user story? Joe is a business man who loves to read newspapers and novels in starbucks. He time to time have to check his email or browse tl.net while heading to/in the elevator. Sometime after work he have to shop whatever in his grocery list. etc etc
And seriously, I'm so sick and tired of this touchscreen nonsense. Wiping off the screen of an iPad every 2 seconds so you can see what you're doing sounds fun.
If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons.""
Regardless though, whatever niche this thing is trying to fill, it's a tiny one. IMO only for die hard Apple fanboys or people who just never heard of a netbook.
Edit:
On March 21 2010 12:02 artofmagic wrote:
Possible user story? Joe is a business man who loves to read newspapers and novels in starbucks. He time to time have to check his email or browse tl.net while heading to/in the elevator. Sometime after work he have to shop whatever in his grocery list. etc etc
Sounds like Joe would be better off with a Kindle or a B&N nook. For half the price even!
As can be seen in my original posts in this thread, I couldn't really see any point to getting an iPad but since the announcement I have had some time to think about it and I believe it has some potential as a handheld gaming device. Not just for the 'casual' games you get on the iPhone and iPod touch atm, but also hardcore games. I've had a few ideas for what I want to do so I'll probably be getting one to dev for.
Beyond the potential for gaming, I'm still struggling to see how it would fit into my life atm (have a laptop) so I still wouldn't get one without that.
I think the ipad is a cool idea, I think it has a lot of potential... Just wait within a few years its going to have everything, fully functional computer (just plug in usb mouse/keyboard/speakers) phone, internet, everything.
The only reason I say not worth the buy is because in 6 months they will have a new version thats twice as good for 1/2 the price... its apple.
Costs too much right now. Wait for it to go down then maybe, like iphone is good, but its not worth like 500~600 that people were paying in the first week.
I am an owner of an iPhone, and I love it. However, I think that the iPad is downright pathetic. Hmm great I can check newspaper and my email and... that's about it. Spending $500 for an electrical newspaper is a fantastic investment.
How can anyone take this thing seriously? I mean just thinking about it makes me laugh. Imagine you're out at a restaurant or something, need to check your email. It would look somewhat natural just pulling out your phone and checking. But not with the iPad. You turn over and unzip your backpack and lug out your iPad. You lay it down on the table but have to clear it off because of its massive size. "One sec honey let me just check my email." You are huddled over like a retard maniacally tapping your gimmicky touch screen to check your email. Mission success!
But on a serious note, when are you actually going to use this? No USB, no flash... If you're at home, mind as well use a keyboard. Is it just me or is touch screen kind of stupid? I really don't see how people are so obsessed with it. When you're on the go I'm sure you'll feel totally cool pulling out your 10 pound email device. This thing really is useless compared to cell phones and laptops/desktops.
And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
On March 21 2010 12:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons.""
I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively.
Quoting John Gruber:
"The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly."
And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them.
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook,
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
cases can sometimes be extraordinarily long and dense and most people print them out since reading them on a computer is extremely impractical.
the amount of money saved on toner and paper during a law degree will probably well and truly exceed $500
also as an aside the thing will be utterly fantastic to read comics on, in my opinion
On March 21 2010 12:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons.""
I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively.
Quoting John Gruber:
"The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly."
And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them.
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook,
So basically, users that like to feel a false sense of empowerment should buy the iPad? And also, can you really consider the use of the functions of the iPad as "computing?"
On March 21 2010 12:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons.""
I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively.
Quoting John Gruber:
"The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly."
And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them.
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook,
So basically, users that like to feel a false sense of empowerment should buy the iPad? And also, can you really consider the use of the functions of the iPad as "computing?"
You missed the point by a long shot. The model Gruber refers to is the interaction model, which is one of the biggest but often ignored bottlenecks in modern computers (in my opinion, at least). Tuan Nguyen from Tom's Hardware is more straightforward:
"Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done."
"People have 10 fingers, so design an interface that uses what we have already. This is the number-one reason why the iPhone took off in such a big way. Despite some popular belief, it isn't the Apple loyalty or marketing machine that made the iPhone what it is today. It's the fact that the iPhone OS and the excellent finger interface were designed well and people caught on to it. The iPhone's popularity was significantly driven by its ease of use and would still be popular today with or without Apple's marketing machine. This is why mobile phone OSes these days all have similar interfaces. Even Microsoft had to eventually ditch its Windows Mobile and stylus-pecking interface for phones--yet it still continues to be lazy on the tablet front."
"Take clues from what Apple has done with its office productivity suite: Apple literally had to redesign and retool iWork from scratch with a brand-new user interface designed specifically for easy tablet use."
The article is mostly a discussion on why TabletPCs failed and nobody cared for tablets until the iPad, but a lot of it is relevant to the iPhone/iPad/netbook discussion.
Apple did not create the iPad interface from the ground up, but its an evolution of the iPhone OS, adapting a new interaction model to the tablet's form factor. It is not just an iPhone on a bigger screen, and there are new APIs and features specific to the iPad and not applicable to the iPhone/iPod Touch.
Yes, even the most "mundane" things that a computer is used for, such as e-mail, web, youtube, twitter, reading newspapers, magazines and Team Liquid can be considered computing.
I like the awesome idea of a data pad. It's the way of the future! The Ipad is a dedicated web browser from what I heard. But honestly, wait few months then talk about it. I seriously doubt it's gonna go higher.
Also for people saying how "oh how dumb it doens't handle Flash", Apple decided not to include flash because it's a security liability for people trying to hack into the iPad for data. Honeslty because of apple's dominance I see Flash bending over to make something new for Apple and not the other way around.
I don't know how many TL users have smart phones, but I don't think the web browsing experience will really be enhanced in any way on an iPad. In fact, I really like the way my phone processes and formats webpages, and I enjoy using news apps and RSS feeders for most of the surfing I do. Even TL is handled pretty easily, except page number links, and I have no problem lying on much couch and surfing on a light phone instead of doing it with a heavier pad.
I've seen the screen and I also have no desire to ever use an LCD or LED screen for ebook reading over eink. I've tried ebooks on this phone, and it's simply more irritating.
EDIT: Just to clarify, multimedia browsing is totally different and not so good on the phone, but that's usually dependent on Flash. For news/sports/forums/TL, I don't know that even my laptop is significantly better than the phone besides the typing experience.
On March 21 2010 15:34 Faronel wrote: I like the awesome idea of a data pad. It's the way of the future! The Ipad is a dedicated web browser from what I heard. But honestly, wait few months then talk about it. I seriously doubt it's gonna go higher.
Also for people saying how "oh how dumb it doens't handle Flash", Apple decided not to include flash because it's a security liability for people trying to hack into the iPad for data. Honeslty because of apple's dominance I see Flash bending over to make something new for Apple and not the other way around.
yeah they do the same thing for OSX right? it's probably because adobe didnt feel like coding a flash plugin for the iTouch OS or whatever it uses.
The cult-like business model apple has going on though I have to admit is pretty clever. No longer have to make products that make sense, but simply rely on the trendy apple followers you already have in your grip with an advertisement for a product that has no significant change over previous products, but the same cookie cutter commercial.
More businesses should begin creating, targetting, and repeatedly assfucking for money the same audience.
On March 21 2010 12:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons.""
I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively.
Quoting John Gruber:
"The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly."
And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them.
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook,
So basically, users that like to feel a false sense of empowerment should buy the iPad? And also, can you really consider the use of the functions of the iPad as "computing?"
You missed the point by a long shot. The model Gruber refers to is the interaction model, which is one of the biggest but often ignored bottlenecks in modern computers (in my opinion, at least). Tuan Nguyen from Tom's Hardware is more straightforward:
"Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done."
"People have 10 fingers, so design an interface that uses what we have already. This is the number-one reason why the iPhone took off in such a big way. Despite some popular belief, it isn't the Apple loyalty or marketing machine that made the iPhone what it is today. It's the fact that the iPhone OS and the excellent finger interface were designed well and people caught on to it. The iPhone's popularity was significantly driven by its ease of use and would still be popular today with or without Apple's marketing machine. This is why mobile phone OSes these days all have similar interfaces. Even Microsoft had to eventually ditch its Windows Mobile and stylus-pecking interface for phones--yet it still continues to be lazy on the tablet front."
"Take clues from what Apple has done with its office productivity suite: Apple literally had to redesign and retool iWork from scratch with a brand-new user interface designed specifically for easy tablet use."
The article is mostly a discussion on why TabletPCs failed and nobody cared for tablets until the iPad, but a lot of it is relevant to the iPhone/iPad/netbook discussion.
Apple did not create the iPad interface from the ground up, but its an evolution of the iPhone OS, adapting a new interaction model to the tablet's form factor. It is not just an iPhone on a bigger screen, and there are new APIs and features specific to the iPad and not applicable to the iPhone/iPod Touch.
Yes, even the most "mundane" things that a computer is used for, such as e-mail, web, youtube, twitter, reading newspapers, magazines and Team Liquid can be considered computing.
wow are you kidding? the reason why the iPhone was so successful is the reason why the iPad won't be successful. the iPhone was a consolidated device, you got a phone and an interface for light browsing that was small enough to be held with one hand and operated with the other. the iPad is ten inches. let me repeat that TEN INCHES. unless you enjoy holding and carrying something the size of a clipboard all day, smart phones are superior to the iPad in every way.
On March 21 2010 15:56 mahnini wrote: ... that was small enough to be held with one hand and operated with the other. the iPad is ten inches. let me repeat that TEN INCHES. unless you enjoy holding and carrying something the size of a clipboard all day, smart phones are superior to the iPad in every way...
Some of us were given this burden by nature, while others buy an iPad to compensate.
On the topic of the iPad though, I am just not sure there is any time in the day for me to use it. My smart phone (and *gasp* a novel) work while I am on the go, my computer at work is far superior, and my laptop at home takes up most of my screen time there. Unless I am taking the thing to bed, or to meals with me, there is no nook in my life that I really need to have it.
On March 21 2010 15:48 zomgzergrush wrote: The cult-like business model apple has going on though I have to admit is pretty clever. No longer have to make products that make sense, but simply rely on the trendy apple followers you already have in your grip with an advertisement for a product that has no significant change over previous products, but the same cookie cutter commercial.
More businesses should begin creating, targetting, and repeatedly assfucking for money the same audience.
This business model drives me insane, it honestly disgusts me. I feel like it is competition for all the wrong reasons. Apple doesn't try to make a better product, just a more shiny one. Microsoft then tries to make their programs more "user friendly" when it is already pretty fucking simple.
I work at bestbuy and happily talk as many people out of going to Apple as I can. I just talked to a lady today who was convinced Mac's were better computers and I got her to buy a PC just buy simply explaining the facts about them. Mac's have inferior specs on them and are overpriced. Windows computers are compatible with virtually everything. Mac's can get viruses like any other computer, it is however less common. But like r1ch said in that amazing PC protection post. Enable DEP and 90% of viruses won't touch your shit.
and the entire user base being filled with pricks makes me hate them even more.
On March 21 2010 15:34 Faronel wrote: I like the awesome idea of a data pad. It's the way of the future! The Ipad is a dedicated web browser from what I heard. But honestly, wait few months then talk about it. I seriously doubt it's gonna go higher.
Also for people saying how "oh how dumb it doens't handle Flash", Apple decided not to include flash because it's a security liability for people trying to hack into the iPad for data. Honeslty because of apple's dominance I see Flash bending over to make something new for Apple and not the other way around.
Not really. Other than the fact that Flash's performance is still pretty poor in mobile devices and kills battery life, it's all about control. Apple designs the software and hardware of the iPhone/iPad, they control the implementation, and they are not going to allow themselves to depend on a third party implementing a piece of the software stack (Adobe). There are third party applications, but Apple controls the API. Apple does not controls the web nor its content, but nobody else control the specs (web standards are open) and they can control the delivery method (Webkit/mobile safari).
Apple's motivations are not the most noble, but I want to see the end result. Personally, I can't wait for HTML5 video and canvas to mature and have Flash become irrelevant just like ActiveX. Popular devices not supporting Flash will help the transition to non-Flash content delivery.
ya'll niggaz should stop being so negative towards Apple inc
sure the current form of the iPad may not be the greatest product ever, but they DID come up with some great legitimate products over the years (you know who they are) as far as their traditional computers are concerned (desktops + laptops) i think they're pretty nice and somehow justify their premium even though i'd never go for a Mac when buying an actual computer due to my personal taste
Give the iPad a chance and maybe in a few years it'll be mainstream and not some "cult" thing
On March 21 2010 12:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons.""
I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively.
Quoting John Gruber:
"The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly."
And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them.
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do?
No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook,
First off I fail to understand how long time reading on the ipad is in anyway more uncomfortable than a netbook. That aside I much prefer tactile response to god damn touch screens. I will always take a palm pre over an iphone for that exact damn reason. I like to have a KEYBOARD. Also an OS that wants to expand into flash is A+ for me.
I can't stand touch screens, I also need something I can feel. An example is for music, taking out the Iphone, unlocking it, staring at it while choosing the song I want, then putting it in my pocket every 3 minutes is close to hell.
On March 22 2010 09:23 ShaperofDreams wrote: I can't stand touch screens, I also need something I can feel. An example is for music, taking out the Iphone, unlocking it, staring at it while choosing the song I want, then putting it in my pocket every 3 minutes is close to hell.
I literally wish there were like a flip case for the ipod touch that only allowed your fingers to touch the "next" and "prev" touch buttons.
Yeah, yeah, theres a swipe music controller thingamabob on cydia but it no workie on my ipod (and everyone else's too...)
On March 21 2010 07:33 mitchblue wrote: Like what? Eating out when you can eat in? Turning the heat on when you can wear a sweater? Always ways to save money for toys
Regardless what comes out new, someone will buy it.
There's a difference between "something you'd buy because it's more convenient" and "something you'd buy because it looks pretty".
Never buy this kinda of stuff when it first comes out. I remember when the Iphone came out i bought then like 6 weeks later Bam! price drop nothing pissed me off so bad before.
The joke in synapse's comic is that hulk, spiderman, and superman all have movies out while flash probably never will. If you want your comic to be seen on an iPad, it has to be a movie lololol
Most worthles piece of tech in the history of tech. And no I do not despise Apple/Mac, I use their products. But seriously what where they thinking... *forehead slap* Apple is running out of ideas or something. What is next an Iboard?
I for one am much more interesed when they will refresh the Macbook Pro line. I could not care less about the Ipad.
When im not home, I dont need a 2GHz laptop. Nor do I need a physical keyboard as 90% of my time is spent reading websites and science articles. The iPad is perfect for me, and its half the price of a Macbook. I'll buy it as soon as its released over here! edit: I like the restrictive OS as in my iPhone, really makes it hard for viruses and bugs to appear. And I like the idea of the App Store, really makes it hard for buggy and retarded software to make it through
I would actually buy such a device if only it were done right. I love the concept and it I guess it would nicely replace a laptop for browsing, movie watching and reading tasks (I prefer to work on a desktop anyway so a "proper" keyboard on a laptop is not really needed), but I hate the connectivity limitations, weird OS choice, enforcement of Apple's software policies etc. so I definetly won't buy an iPad.
I hope someone else is going to make a full-featured Linux or Windows based tablet.
I think I will be getting one for my mom. She uses my sisters laptop to email and use the internet and thats about it. I know when we move out she would have probably have problems doing some things on her own.
I'll start off by saying that I do not own a MAC computer nor will I ever purchase one. The reason for this is not some arbitrary prejudice but rather simple logic. PCs cost less for the same (often more power), PCs have a wider range of applications, PCs can play games, PCs have widely available non-proprietary support. PCs have unlimited upgrade potential. MAC has none of this. So while personally I'm waiting for the HP Slate if I were to consider the iPhone vs the iPad for a purchase. I would look at the specifications. I've included the pertinent ones below.
Power and battery Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery Charging via USB to computer system or power adapter Talk time: Up to 12 hours on 2G Up to 5 hours on 3G Standby time: Up to 300 hours
Internet use: Up to 5 hours on 3G Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi Video playback: Up to 10 hours Audio playback: Up to 30 hours
Height: 9.56 inches (242.8 mm) Width: 7.47 inches (189.7 mm) Depth: 0.5 inch (13.4 mm) Weight: 1.5 pounds (0.68 kg) Wi-Fi model; 1.6 pounds (0.73 kg) Wi-Fi + 3G model
Storage 16GB, 32GB, 64GB
Processor
1 GHz A4 CPU - Custom Designed by Apple
Wireless and cellular Wi-Fi model Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n) Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology Wi-Fi + 3G model UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz) GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) Data only2 Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n) Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology
Battery and power Built-in 25-watt-hour rechargeable lithium-polymer battery Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music Up to 9 hours of surfing the web using 3G data network Charging via power adapter or USB to computer system
Flash Support? - No Simultaneous Applications? - No Phone Calls? - No Price ~ 500 USD
As we can see from these specifications. The iPad is merely a slightly more powerful, larger screened version of the iPhone, with massive steps backwards in content support (Flash / Multiple Apps), as well as no ability to make phone calls - but don't worry, you have 32 more GB to use...
In addition to the fact that we all have access to both a computer at work and at home, and a majority of those in the market for any technology device likely have a laptop and a smartphone already. The iPad is purely a marketing ploy to milk the idea Apple has been milking since the release of the iPod (and iPod Touch more specifically) - a handheld device that does stuff and has a sleek exterior.
Apple has quite simply one of the most brilliant marketing teams in the world to make every product a hit, despite oftentimes the abundance of short comings compared to competitors (or even its own products).
Bottom Line - Stick with your iPhones everyone! If you want a slate/pad computer wait for the HP Slate, it will be a full fledged computer, only slightly larger than the iPad and about the same weight. Don't waste your money.
On April 06 2010 03:30 superjoppe wrote: When im not home, I dont need a 2GHz laptop. Nor do I need a physical keyboard as 90% of my time is spent reading websites and science articles. The iPad is perfect for me, and its half the price of a Macbook. I'll buy it as soon as its released over here! edit: I like the restrictive OS as in my iPhone, really makes it hard for viruses and bugs to appear. And I like the idea of the App Store, really makes it hard for buggy and retarded software to make it through
Yet a netbook would cost around half, if not less, than an iPad and do more.
but let's face it, iPads would be much nicer to hold and use than a gay ass laptop which has to sit on something. I'd prefer the ergonomics of browsing on a comfy chair in the living room with my legs in a more natural relaxing position than having them always flat, getting slightly heated by the radiation and having to deal with the bloody laptop fan going a mile a minute.
If I had a squillion quid to jizz up the wall, I would get one of these asap. But seeing as I don't I'd rather stick with my gaming pc for 500.
If you're one of those that reads e-books and a lot of websites and blogs and stuff then the iPad might be something to look into since it's huge and lightweight for that kind of stuff. Otherwise you might want to invest in a netbook or full blown laptop. The iPad could have been so much better if it had a more complete OS on it like a slimmed version of Mac OS X.
As with most Apple Products, I wouldn't put too much faith into the battery power of an iPad.
On April 06 2010 06:03 Neo7 wrote: If you're one of those that reads e-books and a lot of websites and blogs and stuff then the iPad might be something to look into since it's huge and lightweight for that kind of stuff. Otherwise you might want to invest in a netbook or full blown laptop. The iPad could have been so much better if it had a more complete OS on it like a slimmed version of Mac OS X.
As with most Apple Products, I wouldn't put too much faith into the battery power of an iPad.
I'm actually looking forward to the competitor responses to the iPad, especially the ones with Android/Win7. I'm actually impressed that by all accounts, Apple included a mostly decent productivity suite on the thing, but it's clearly held back by a lack of things you'd find on a real operating system, like file structure, multitask, etc.
When other companies jump on the bandwagon, just as they've done for phones and mp3 players, and start delivering superior products, just as they've done for phones and mp3 players, then we'll really get some good stuff.
This is not any guy. He is a former executive at IBM and one of the people behind the launch of the Thinkpad.
Pretty fair comparison when it comes to long-term reading, too.
My position stands: the iPad's success is not in the specs, processing power, or cheapness. Its on the OS and the interaction model it provides. Its an 80/20 device, focusing in the most common tasks, targeted to people who don't care for the gritty technical details. The iPad is the first slate that does not try to be a small laptop. This will be key, as it allows Apple to create a new niche.
Yeah I'm also looking forward to seeing the iPad competitors
The Nvidia chipsets with the ARM procs look promising, but both of those on the chart look even less portable than the iPad so I'm not sure if I like them.
The Slate is going to be far better than the iPad; USB support, SD card support, and many other essentials. However, the rumor is the battery life is about half, which makes me sad.
But, for the more journal/creative-savvy, the Courier is going to blow everything else out of the water. :D I'm so stoked for it.
On April 07 2010 10:03 Spartan wrote: The Slate is going to be far better than the iPad; USB support, SD card support, and many other essentials. However, the rumor is the battery life is about half, which makes me sad.
But, for the more journal/creative-savvy, the Courier is going to blow everything else out of the water. :D I'm so stoked for it.
He believes it will sell more than the ThinkPad and calls it a powerful computer?
On April 07 2010 10:03 Spartan wrote: The Slate is going to be far better than the iPad; USB support, SD card support, and many other essentials. However, the rumor is the battery life is about half, which makes me sad.
But, for the more journal/creative-savvy, the Courier is going to blow everything else out of the water. :D I'm so stoked for it.
He believes it will sell more than the ThinkPad and calls it a powerful computer?
With a 1GHz processor?
One version of the slate will run the Atom, and another some ARM processor, iirc. Anyway, a 1ghz processor for x86 is very different from a 1ghz processor for ARM. People tend to forget.
On April 06 2010 06:03 Neo7 wrote: If you're one of those that reads e-books and a lot of websites and blogs and stuff then the iPad might be something to look into since it's huge and lightweight for that kind of stuff. Otherwise you might want to invest in a netbook or full blown laptop. The iPad could have been so much better if it had a more complete OS on it like a slimmed version of Mac OS X.
As with most Apple Products, I wouldn't put too much faith into the battery power of an iPad.
I'm actually looking forward to the competitor responses to the iPad, especially the ones with Android/Win7. I'm actually impressed that by all accounts, Apple included a mostly decent productivity suite on the thing, but it's clearly held back by a lack of things you'd find on a real operating system, like file structure, multitask, etc.
When other companies jump on the bandwagon, just as they've done for phones and mp3 players, and start delivering superior products, just as they've done for phones and mp3 players, then we'll really get some good stuff.
For now, I'll stick with my phone.
Same, Asus might yet surprise me. For now though I want to see how Apple can sweeten the deal on the media front, that should be their prime concern too.
On April 07 2010 10:03 Spartan wrote: The Slate is going to be far better than the iPad; USB support, SD card support, and many other essentials. However, the rumor is the battery life is about half, which makes me sad.
But, for the more journal/creative-savvy, the Courier is going to blow everything else out of the water. :D I'm so stoked for it.
He believes it will sell more than the ThinkPad and calls it a powerful computer?
With a 1GHz processor?
Does it needs to be any more?
Processor clock speeds can be very misleading once you start comparing different architectures, software stacks, and software/hardware/compiler optimizations.
Have you tried it? Scrolling and every response to input is incredibly smooth. It certainly does *not* feel like an underpowered computer.
I am not implying that more processing power may not be welcome or that future versions won't need the extra clock cycles. All I am saying is that at this point, having "only" a 1GHz arm processor is not a limitation to the user experience.
iPad has really impressive reviews, the word is that its interface makes it a totally new type of computing device that is way more intuitive and natural than a laptop, PC, or phone. Initially I thought I'd never buy one, but now I think that my ideal setup would be a powerful desktop, an iPad, and a cheap phone just for SMS and calling.
"Most of all, though, it’s cool to consider that as one of the new Children of Cyberspace, her expectations about computing will be shaped by the fact that she’s growing up in a touchscreen world."
I was fascinated at how natural she seemed to scroll photos, and how fast she picked up doubling the screen size of iPhone apps.
Doesn't really do anything that a laptop couldn't do, and a laptop is cheaper and can do alot more than an Ipad. I really don't see who this appeals to except SOME apple fanboys.
On April 07 2010 14:16 Katsuge wrote: uh wads the difference btwn a iPad and a iTouch...from the way i see it iPad's just a larger version of iTouch....
Though if they make anything I could play Aion or Starcraft on (though both would be amazingly hard without a keyboard, haha) then I'd jump on that boat.
I'm waiting for the notion ink adam, it's some crazy 11.6 inch tablet with a tegra2 SOC running android, a pixel qi screen that goes between color backlit mode and black and white e-inkish mode, and supposedly going to retail for around $300 (I somewhat doubt this, but if it's true, it'd be amazing)
"Most of all, though, it’s cool to consider that as one of the new Children of Cyberspace, her expectations about computing will be shaped by the fact that she’s growing up in a touchscreen world."
I was fascinated at how natural she seemed to scroll photos, and how fast she picked up doubling the screen size of iPhone apps.
I wouldn't expose my child to the internet and/or such electronic devices at such a young age.
It's worth for people who trade in cool. Like a fashion photographer, who can whip it out of his coat pocket and showcase his portfolio in person, and the fact that it's the cool gadget everyone is talking about can make a difference.
Although I've had a negative image initially, I've been looking at some iPad videos and I've completely changed my mind about it. I think by comparing it to a laptop, one's completely missing the point of the possible uses because the iPad definitely has its own niche.
One is of course the ease and convenience of the ebook/web browsing feature. Of course a PC or a laptop lets you read the same document or browse the same newspaper websites. But the iPad's portability and visibility just far exceeds the capacity of a laptop/iphone. Think of it as an upgrade to the newspaper. You can wake up in the morning, instead of shuffling through newspapers or booting up a laptop and sitting down to read the news, you can turn your iPad on, catch the latest BBC news video while brushing your teeth, eating breakfast etc. Hell, you can even use it when taking a dump. You simply can't expect to lug around a laptop around your house or office and expect to be exposed to information as efficiently.
Second reason is the unparalleled expandability of the appstore. The iPad is simply a platform that lets you run limitless possibilities. It's the reason why other touch screen phones can't compete with the iPhone despite touting more intelligent OSs or having higher specifications. The availability of innovative apps, the ease of updates simply cannot be surpassed. Sure, you can get useful programs on PC's and most programs have update features. However, since a lot of PC based programs are costly, most people don't really experiment or have to hassle on pirating these programs. With the appstore, you can legally own a solid app, hassle free, with constant updates often times at under $5 (realistically they're mostly $0.99-$1.99) and if you don't like it, you can just download a competitor's app for just as cheap.
Third reason is the expected technological advancements of the next generation of iPads. People complain about the lack of multitasking but it's not hard to expect it being available through firmware upgrades or even for iPad 2nd gen. I don't even think I have to elaborate on this. People couldn't understand why the iPhone couldn't record video when ALL other phones could; well, now it can. It's just smart marketing.
The iPad isn't a phone and it definitely isn't a laptop/PC replacement. However, it wasn't even designed to be a replacement. Sure, it doesn't have a physical keyboard but if you need to type, the option is right there for you to use. If you need to do heavy keyboarding, you better sit down in front of a computer and get to work. But for everything else, you can just get all your information from the iPad because it complements PC activities so effectively.
It's not hard for me to imagine teenage girls picking up the iPad just to get their fix of facebook. It is hard to justify buying a laptop when all they want to do is get on their facebook, browse the internet or play the odd puzzle games. With the iPad, you can spend half the money, snuggle into your couch, do your social networking and have access to videos, music etc. Not to mention the ability to share your media with people immediately surrounding you. No more crowding around the desk to see those youtube clips with your friends. Find a couch, get comfortable, and you can even pass the device around very easily.
There will be competition, but even though other devices may be more powerful, they simply will not be able to compete unless they create their own version of the appstore.
And by the way, ever since the iPod came out, I've always been a skeptic of Apple, with the constant recycling of the same design and whatnot and I'll most likely stay away from the macbooks because I love my custom built PC. I've always used Samsung cellphones and went with iRiver or Cowon for my mp3 players; in that sense, I've never considered myself an Apple fanboy. But as years went by, for some reason or another, I now own an iPod nano as my mp3 player and have an iPhone as my cellphone. I still fucking hate having to use iTunes because syncing is a pain in the butt and I prefer just drag-and-drop 'mass storage' type music transfer. However, despite all of the criticism, Apple's doing smart business and they're always managing to get my attention. Personally speaking, getting away from the desk and browsing TL on my couch or in the bed in itself is already a very appealing idea.
That little girl is SO cute!!! I can't wait to have kids, it will be epic to show them the world :D. And in response to the guy who talked about showing tech to kids. I give you a big meh...because when I was a kid about 4-5 I spent some of the best times of my life playing DOOM and then later Duke Nukem 3d with my dad. I was the shooter who pressed CTRL and he was the mover.
On April 07 2010 13:17 JWD wrote: (Latecomer to thread)
iPad has really impressive reviews, the word is that its interface makes it a totally new type of computing device that is way more intuitive and natural than a laptop, PC, or phone. Initially I thought I'd never buy one, but now I think that my ideal setup would be a powerful desktop, an iPad, and a cheap phone just for SMS and calling.
I think the initial reviews were a bit over the top. What bugged me is that the first set of reviews, and the ones that were the most ecstatic were 1) by the people who are hoping to be saved by the iPad (WSJ, NYT, etc.) and 2) by 60 year old men telling us what we should be excited about. It's like seeing their impressions of Twitter all over again.
I think most of the important reviews are forthcoming, aside from Engadget and a few others.
Sulli, the lack of multi-tasking (which is honestly a very big deal, much bigger than not having it on a phone) has nothing to do with hard limitations, it's simply a design choice. I honestly wouldn't expect it out of the next iteration, given Apple's record with the iPhone. It doesn't multitask because they don't want it to.
"Most of all, though, it’s cool to consider that as one of the new Children of Cyberspace, her expectations about computing will be shaped by the fact that she’s growing up in a touchscreen world."
I was fascinated at how natural she seemed to scroll photos, and how fast she picked up doubling the screen size of iPhone apps.
I honestly don't think the simplicity is a good thing for kids. If you've watched little children become acquainted with technology before, you'll see that complicated is a good thing because they can pick it up and understand it relatively quickly. For an unfamiliar old person, yes, simplicity for a must. For kids, I think you need to set the bar a lot higher.
There was an article on Gizmodo that called it something like the Walmart-ization of computing.
On April 07 2010 20:29 Jibba wrote: I honestly don't think the simplicity is a good thing for kids. If you've watched little children become acquainted with technology before, you'll see that complicated is a good thing because they can pick it up and understand it relatively quickly. For an unfamiliar old person, yes, simplicity for a must. For kids, I think you need to set the bar a lot higher.
There was an article on Gizmodo that called it something like the Walmart-ization of computing.
The Gizmodo article refers to "Wal-Martization of the software channel" as in software distribution. Not computing itself.
It also makes a jab on the iPad not being tinkerer-friendly, which is a common complaint of Apple's business model by the naysayers.
On the other hand, where else do you see 13-year olds compete with giants like EA in a relatively even field?
The thing is, tinkering has moved to a different level. Not hardware wise, but software wise. Yes, you still need to thru Apple for distribution and selling, but nothing is stopping you from using the SDK and use Apple's development tools. Don't like it? You still got Mobile Safari which arguably has some of the best technology for web applications.
Some people call it dumbing down. I call it computers finally being the reliable devices they should have been years ago. Creating smart interfaces is *extremely* hard. And so far, Apple is the best at doing so. There is a difference between complexity by design and complexity by bad design. Let the complexity exist at the development and maintenance level; the user doesn't need it and shouldn't have to deal with it.
On April 07 2010 21:06 VManOfMana wrote: The thing is, tinkering has moved to a different level. Not hardware wise, but software wise. Yes, you still need to thru Apple for distribution and selling, but nothing is stopping you from using the SDK and use Apple's development tools. Don't like it? You still got Mobile Safari which arguably has some of the best technology for web applications.
You mean other than the fact that Apple refuses to release iPhone/iPad development tools for other operating systems?
The fact that I want development tools for my handheld device shouldn't place a limitation on my home computing.
I don't see MS Visual Studio available for Macs either, nor included with Windows for free. The iPad-specific SDK is not included in Macs, but XCode is. And the UNIX compilers. Whats your point?
On April 07 2010 21:21 VManOfMana wrote: I don't see MS Visual Studio available for Macs either. Whats your point?
If I want to develop something for MS-related hardware, Visual Studio is not a requirement. On the other hand, it's pretty clear that while the iPhone SDK may not be a requirement for development on the iPhone, Apple is doing a pretty good job of trying to make it one, given their repeated efforts to hamstring the functionality of non-Apple Store apps in successive iPhone OS versions. Microsoft doesn't provide you all the stuff to get things working, but once you've got it working, I don't see them trying to break what you've made.
Also worth noting that Windows is not my desktop OS of choice, but that's another discussion entirely.
There is a big difference between development and distribution. I am not going to contest Apple trying to make the App Store the unified distribution channel of applications, but that is how it is.
My main point was that if you want to tinker around and make your own programs, you are free to do so. Distribution is another story.
I believe there is a rather bullshit $100 annual fee for 'developer membership' or something to put your own apps onto your phone from XCode, bypassing the app store. No doubt you can get around that if you've jailbroken your phone.
My point is that it's not entirely free to tinker around with. Trying to think why they would do it this way, I guess it's a way to stop people from just releasing the source code to all their apps and having people compile onto their phones, avoiding the app store and apple's manual filter.
On April 07 2010 13:17 JWD wrote: (Latecomer to thread)
iPad has really impressive reviews, the word is that its interface makes it a totally new type of computing device that is way more intuitive and natural than a laptop, PC, or phone. Initially I thought I'd never buy one, but now I think that my ideal setup would be a powerful desktop, an iPad, and a cheap phone just for SMS and calling.
Sulli, the lack of multi-tasking (which is honestly a very big deal, much bigger than not having it on a phone) has nothing to do with hard limitations, it's simply a design choice. I honestly wouldn't expect it out of the next iteration, given Apple's record with the iPhone. It doesn't multitask because they don't want it to.
You do have to credit Apple's ability at selling their design though. Before the iPad, even though tablet PCs existed, no one recognized the potential and marketability of such a device. The people pointing out the lack of Flash, multitasking, etc. and those looking at the competition are the exact people who suddenly realize the potential for the iPad. They WANT the iPad and they WANT to take advantage of the concept that Apple is selling. However, they're also the exact people that realize that Apple isn't targeting their own segment. Apple isn't out there to sell this to the technology gurus; they're out there to market it to the masses and they want it to become the next iPods and iPhones that everyone can make good use of.
A lot of the general public aren't really aware of what people are criticizing the iPad for. Because the general sentiment seems to be that "iPad is just a bigger iTouch" and it easily makes sense, a lot of people are just jumping on the bandwagon and being submissive to the negative sentiments. However, Apple's marketing is brilliant. In my opinion, Apple doesn't need to implement multi-tasking to sell this thing. If you consider how many people are still using first generation iPods and iPhones, which I doubt are high in numbers, one can see how minor flaws won't matter in the long run. iPad still looks and feels sleek, and the first generation doesn't need to be perfect as long as the general public gets exposure on the concept. A few friends showing off their new toy might not be convincing enough for you to go out there and purchase this thing because you'll have reasonable doubt. However, all they need for this to really take off is polishing the little flaws, adding a camera on it and then re-releasing it as iPad 2nd generation and I bet Apple will be very happy with its new market.
It's actually the little things like using AIM while surfing or checking email that highlight the lack of multitasking the most. Or things like missing access to file structure. People put up with it on an iPhone because it's a phone, but when you use it as a a tablet/laptop hybrid, the problem isn't so easily dismissable. Credit Apple for actually making iWorks pretty good on the iPad, but it falls apart on that one piece of oversimplification.
I think it's just as pretentious to say what the general public is or isn't thinking. It's been on the market for less than a week. The only people who have had serious time with it are stuffy newspaper editors, the rest of the world is still figuring out what they're going to do with it.
On April 07 2010 21:06 VManOfMana wrote: On the other hand, where else do you see 13-year olds compete with giants like EA in a relatively even field?
Watch the next 3 months for Android. The app store is gaining by 5000+ per month (I think it was 9k in March) and they're making the biggest jumps in the smart phone market.
Funny thing but the back of the ipad isn't even flat, so when you try to type while it's on a table or something you'll end up pushing it along the top.
I laugh at people I see with this money-sucking tool.
On April 07 2010 21:34 VManOfMana wrote: My main point was that if you want to tinker around and make your own programs, you are free to do so. Distribution is another story.
This isn't even true. The other thing about the MS Visual Studio analogy is that in the case of MS Visual Studio (or non-Microsoft alternatives), you are, in a large percentage of cases, developing on a machine on which your software is intended to run (e.g. you are developing for PC on PC). Transfer to an appropriate device for testing is not an issue. Apple repeatedly interfering with non-SDK apps prevents even proper development of those apps--without being able to actually run the app from the device, you can't do live testing.
On April 07 2010 22:57 On_Slaught wrote: Funny thing but the back of the ipad isn't even flat, so when you try to type while it's on a table or something you'll end up pushing it along the top.
I laugh at people I see with this money-sucking tool.
You are doing it wrong. You are supposed to be sitting in the iPad bullshit position.
optionals: be in a room with white walls and hold a cup of coffee with your other hand.
On April 08 2010 00:42 RoosterSamurai wrote: I would say no. I heard that it has no USB ports, and if it is any more than 10 ft. away from an access point, it will drop the connection.
Proof?
At my workplace there is an iPad to play around with during breaks. Trust me, there is no access point within 10ft from where we sit.
On April 08 2010 00:42 RoosterSamurai wrote: I would say no. I heard that it has no USB ports, and if it is any more than 10 ft. away from an access point, it will drop the connection.
Proof?
At my workplace there is an iPad to play around with during breaks. Trust me, there is no access point within 10ft from where we sit.
On April 07 2010 22:46 Jibba wrote: It's actually the little things like using AIM while surfing or checking email that highlight the lack of multitasking the most. Or things like missing access to file structure. People put up with it on an iPhone because it's a phone, but when you use it as a a tablet/laptop hybrid, the problem isn't so easily dismissable. Credit Apple for actually making iWorks pretty good on the iPad, but it falls apart on that one piece of oversimplification.
I think it's just as pretentious to say what the general public is or isn't thinking. It's been on the market for less than a week. The only people who have had serious time with it are stuffy newspaper editors, the rest of the world is still figuring out what they're going to do with it.
I agree that not having multitasking seems significant. However, as you said, we don't know what the public is going to use the iPad for yet, so multitasking might not matter.
On April 07 2010 22:57 On_Slaught wrote: Funny thing but the back of the ipad isn't even flat, so when you try to type while it's on a table or something you'll end up pushing it along the top.
I laugh at people I see with this money-sucking tool.
That sounds like a legitimate concern to me. However, as I said in response to Jibba, it might not matter. We have to wait and see what use people are going to find for the iPad.
The real beauty in all of this is that Apple doesn't need to advertise a real use for the iPad. Apple simply markets it as a hybrid laptop+tablet, lots of people buy it up because it looks innovative, and then they find their own use for it. "The iPad is shiny and probably revolutionary. Buy it!"
On April 08 2010 00:42 RoosterSamurai wrote: I would say no. I heard that it has no USB ports, and if it is any more than 10 ft. away from an access point, it will drop the connection.
Proof?
At my workplace there is an iPad to play around with during breaks. Trust me, there is no access point within 10ft from where we sit.
seriously? it you went back just one or two pages you would have seen the video has already been posted. Just read a few pages of the thread before posting ok?
Anyways i saw a guy using the ipad yesterday and it seemed pretty useless. He was doing everything on his macbook and just looked at the ipad once in awhile.
On April 08 2010 02:50 Sere wrote: I asked twenty random women at a local college if they've used an iPad before. Seven of them thought I was talking about tampons.
Care to expand a bit if this is truthful? What did they 13 say about it? How did the 7 respond?
On April 08 2010 02:50 Sere wrote: I asked twenty random women at a local college if they've used an iPad before. Seven of them thought I was talking about tampons.
Care to expand a bit if this is truthful? What did they 13 say about it? How did the 7 respond?
On April 08 2010 02:50 Sere wrote: I asked twenty random women at a local college if they've used an iPad before. Seven of them thought I was talking about tampons.
Care to expand a bit if this is truthful? What did they 13 say about it? How did the 7 respond?
at first, like most ppl, i thought this was going to be a piece of worthless garbage...i wasnt really convinced after i checked jobs' keynote on youtube ....but this nice little video pretty much demonstrates how the ipad can actually be fuckin useful.....i think the 2 main assets are the large screen and the maneuverability whatever youre browsing with it.. see how you can go through photos ....newspapers etc...
i think its gonna be a really nice product after all....even at $500... i wont go as far as actually buying it...cuz i got far more important spending sprees to do before that...
but still....nice product, i might buy it eventually.
On April 07 2010 21:06 VManOfMana wrote: On the other hand, where else do you see 13-year olds compete with giants like EA in a relatively even field?
Watch the next 3 months for Android. The app store is gaining by 5000+ per month (I think it was 9k in March) and they're making the biggest jumps in the smart phone market.
Actually most smart phones in general are catching up to iPhones in the application department. It's only a matter of time before the improved functionality of Droids/Palm's is the more popular choice because they are simply better products.
I've already seen a significant reduction in the saturation of iPhones compared to other smart phones because while other phones were in general better they lacked the number of apps the Iphone had. This is no longer the case.
I think that Android will probably be the next big phone...and there is more than one kind of that one.
I heard that the iPad can't be any more than 10 feet away from an access point, or it will drop the connection. If this is true, then why not just buy a real laptop? It may not be flat, and have a touch screen, but at least it will work, and have microsoft word.
on the plus side: The large touchscreen allows for easy reading of online newspapers and whatnot but on the con side: you can get a pretty decent laptop and carry case today for under $500, and the laptop has many more features (plus you can install starcraft on it =D)
On April 12 2010 22:50 blahman3344 wrote: on the plus side: The large touchscreen allows for easy reading of online newspapers and whatnot but on the con side: you can get a pretty decent laptop and carry case today for under $500, and the laptop has many more features (plus you can install starcraft on it =D)
I can read online newspapers on my Palm Pre easily as it is... and it has a screen a little smaller than an Iphone.
Well, I see absolutely no reason for buying iPad when you can just wait few more months and go for the MSI Harmony which is going to have some definitive advantages over iPad while sporting the same price tag as the basic one: - multitasking - 1080p HD - longer battery life (this and above are thanks to nVidia Tegra 2) - flash support (it's going to run on Android and it's getting flash support)
Not all that much information has been revealed so far. Apart from the above: - WiFi and 3G connectivity - supposedly very slim - 10'' display - coming out in 2nd half of 2010
Will have to wait for full specs, but right now it looks damn promising.
On April 12 2010 23:13 Manit0u wrote: Well, I see absolutely no reason for buying iPad when you can just wait few more months and go for the MSI Harmony which is going to have some definitive advantages over iPad while sporting the same price tag as the basic one: - multitasking - 1080p HD - longer battery life (this and above are thanks to nVidia Tegra 2) - flash support (it's going to run on Android and it's getting flash support)
Not all that much information has been revealed so far. Apart from the above: - WiFi and 3G connectivity - supposedly very slim - 10'' display - coming out in 2nd half of 2010
Will have to wait for full specs, but right now it looks damn promising.
I honestly can't see a use for it, but even if I could and for some reason if I had a desire for one I definitely wouldn't buy it solely for the lack of flash support
On April 12 2010 23:53 -orb- wrote: I honestly can't see a use for it, but even if I could and for some reason if I had a desire for one I definitely wouldn't buy it solely for the lack of flash support
I agree. It's very silly to release such an expensive piece of useless hardware and not even put USB drives on it... Does it have a slot for MMCs though?
This is just a random aside I had last night, but I've got a phone with great multitouch performance and I've got to say that multitouch is the single most overrated feature on any smart phone. There's a few more things you can do with it on an iPad, but on an iPhone/Droid/N1/etc., aside from gaming, you should never really need to use multitouch. It's inconvenient as hell for one hand browsing, and there's better alternatives for every advantage it provides.
Typing: For touch typing, it's slightly beneficial if you're typing quickly, but the new method from Swype/Shapewriter/Slide/etc. is so much better than touch typing. For those who don't know what it is, swyping is where you drag your finger across the keyboard to the different letters and the predictive text finds your word. There's a new commercial out for a Samsung phone that has it built in, but you can find alternative keyboards for iPhone/Android with it.
Pinch zoom: I don't know if XScope exists for iPhone, but it's a super fast and powerful browser for Android that has a 1 hand pinch zoom feature, where you just tap twice and then move your finger as you would with regular pinch zooming. The advantage is that you can do it easily with 1 hand, and I'd argue it's more accurate because your hands aren't in an awkward position.
On April 13 2010 00:12 MacWorld wrote: I don´t think TL.net is their target group. Most here don´t se any point in using any of Apple´s devices.
Nah, I think most people here are just butthurt because they predicted ipad would fail so horribly and now that it's a success, they have to find some way to bring it down so they don't look like an idiot.
On April 13 2010 00:12 MacWorld wrote: I don´t think TL.net is their target group. Most here don´t se any point in using any of Apple´s devices.
Nah, I think most people here are just butthurt because they predicted ipad would fail so horribly and now that it's a success, they have to find some way to bring it down so they don't look like an idiot.
I don't think many people here predicted it would fail. It's just not that appealing for most of us.
On April 13 2010 00:12 MacWorld wrote: I don´t think TL.net is their target group. Most here don´t se any point in using any of Apple´s devices.
Nah, I think most people here are just butthurt because they predicted ipad would fail so horribly and now that it's a success, they have to find some way to bring it down so they don't look like an idiot.
I don't think many people here predicted it would fail. It's just not that appealing for most of us.
There is a big difference between "not appealing to me" and "piece of shit". And the general tone of this thread is the latter.
I find it annoying not so much because I am an Apple fan (which I am) but rather because the conversation derails out of an intelligent merits/fault discussion. Its no secret that Apple does not try to appeal to everyone with their products. Oh, and the "I don't use Mac therefore I am smarter than you" attitude. Wasn't it long ago when Windows users were the stupid ones?
Adding a bit of wood on the fire, Apple did their quarterly earning report. Amazing numbers.
On April 13 2010 00:12 MacWorld wrote: I don´t think TL.net is their target group. Most here don´t se any point in using any of Apple´s devices.
Nah, I think most people here are just butthurt because they predicted ipad would fail so horribly and now that it's a success, they have to find some way to bring it down so they don't look like an idiot.
I don't think many people here predicted it would fail. It's just not that appealing for most of us.
There is a big difference between "not appealing to me" and "piece of shit". And the general tone of this thread is the latter.
I find it annoying not so much because I am an Apple fan (which I am) but rather because the conversation derails out of an intelligent merits/fault discussion. Its no secret that Apple does not try to appeal to everyone with their products. Oh, and the "I don't use Mac therefore I am smarter than you" attitude. Wasn't it long ago when Windows users were the stupid ones?
Adding a bit of wood on the fire, Apple did their quarterly earning report. Amazing numbers.
Apple products are, indeed, visually appealing. Their computing/processing and gaming capabilities fall way way behind the rest of the market, though - and I'm pretty sure that's what most of TL is probably looking for in a technological device.
I love the iPhone - it's convenient, pretty, and has a simple interface that suits its purpose - it makes sense. The iPad on the other hand, is not "revolutionary" (as Apple describes it) in any sense of the word. Its processing capabilities fall far behind all modern non-handheld devices. The iPad cannot handle multitasking, and comes with little support for much of the plugins and applications even many Mac users depend on. Using the iPad's on-screen keyboard is even, as described by a writer in Time magazine, "...like typing with frostbite."
There's no denying that Apple products are directed toward those unwilling to learn to use anything other than a very simple interface (or at the very least, those who prefer visual appeal over functionality), and that's where the "Mac users are stupid" comes from. Apple products give users virtually no control over their computing systems, and don't come with the graphics processing / processing power to make up for it.
On April 13 2010 00:12 MacWorld wrote: I don´t think TL.net is their target group. Most here don´t se any point in using any of Apple´s devices.
Nah, I think most people here are just butthurt because they predicted ipad would fail so horribly and now that it's a success, they have to find some way to bring it down so they don't look like an idiot.
I don't think many people here predicted it would fail. It's just not that appealing for most of us.
There is a big difference between "not appealing to me" and "piece of shit". And the general tone of this thread is the latter.
I find it annoying not so much because I am an Apple fan (which I am) but rather because the conversation derails out of an intelligent merits/fault discussion. Its no secret that Apple does not try to appeal to everyone with their products. Oh, and the "I don't use Mac therefore I am smarter than you" attitude. Wasn't it long ago when Windows users were the stupid ones?
Adding a bit of wood on the fire, Apple did their quarterly earning report. Amazing numbers.
Apple products are, indeed, visually appealing. Their computing/processing and gaming capabilities fall way way behind the rest of the market, though - and I'm pretty sure that's what most of TL is probably looking for in a technological device.
I love the iPhone - it's convenient, pretty, and has a simple interface that suits its purpose - it makes sense. The iPad on the other hand, is not "revolutionary" (as Apple describes it) in any sense of the word. Its processing capabilities fall far behind all modern non-handheld devices. The iPad cannot handle multitasking, and comes with little support for much of the plugins and applications even many Mac users depend on. Using the iPad's on-screen keyboard is even, as described by a writer in Time magazine, "...like typing with frostbite."
There's no denying that Apple products are directed toward those unwilling to learn to use anything other than a very simple interface (or at the very least, those who prefer visual appeal over functionality), and that's where the "Mac users are stupid" comes from. Apple products give users virtually no control over their computing systems, and don't come with the graphics processing / processing power to make up for it.
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Do you have like any objective sources to back your
processing, computing and gaming capabilities falling far behind the rest of the market
iPad far behind all modern non-handheld devices
What the hell are you comparing it to?
little support of plugins and applications many Mac users depend on
which plugins? Flash? to watch porno?
Directed towards idiots
And this is just the most stupid and most common complaint, first, because simplicity is good and second because it's just a random insult with no real back up,
. Gives virtually no control over their computing systems and don't come with the graphics processing /processing power to make up for it
Now what in the world are you talking about? I see your statements and I can't help thinking that you're just making all of this shit up.
I actually got the chance to play around with one, and I have to admit that it is indeed fun to play with. I was pretty entertained. I haven't actually used any other tablets so I can't offer a comparison, but I did not like the iPad because imo it was just too fat (this is probably a problem with every tablet though!). I don't like that I have to use both my hands, and I can't really see it in any appreciable niche that a laptop or iPhone would not already cover.
And this is just the most stupid and most common complaint, first, because simplicity is good and second because it's just a random insult with no real back up,
- The iPad has a "1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip" processor. So far, the lowest-powered netbooks have atom processors with ~1.6GHz benchmarks. Some online article claimed that the iPad was the first "true home computer" due to its portability, but is the lack of multitasking and raw processing power worth it?
Nearly all of the tablets around the iPad's size have processors equivalent to or better than that of the iPad, and nearly all of these tablets have multitasking capabilities.
- I am specifically referring to Adobe flash. Looking back at the slate-tablet computers, nearly all of them have flash. Not supporting flash was probably Apple's biggest mistake in the making of the iPad (besides the concept itself). All flash-based games, video-streaming and video hosting websites, as well as flash based (graphics-heavy) websites will not work on the iPad. Most of the multimedia applications used on Macs have no iPad counterparts - for example, Garageband.
- (I'm not sure where you got the "Directed towards idiots" quote from ...) I never said I agreed with the statement, I only stated that the fact that Apple products feature much simpler interfaces led to people considering Mac users as "stupid."
- It is a commonly known fact that Apple isn't very developer-friendly. Microsoft has several software development kits, and give developers licenses for the software they make. User-based OS control on Apple devices is nearly nonexistant, and the developer-friendliness of non-computer Apple devices can be seen: http://kotaku.com/227948/apple-iphone-not-developer-friendly http://www.bogost.com/watercoolergames/archives/apple_iphone_an.shtml It is also a commonly known fact that Mac computers can't be "upgraded" - A PC is very easy to assemble/dissemble, while Macs clearly were never meant for their hardware to be played around with.
How many times can it be posted in this thread that we need to stop comparing an Atom directly to an ARM processor?
Lack of multitasking is an OS issue, and the new OS iirc supports multitasking. Raw power? You mean versatility. 1ghz ARM SoC is pretty much the standard right now. Yeah Apple had the choice of running Tegra 2 like some of their competitors, but it isn't too shabby. The Gizmodo article you linked shows much of the 'competition' sporting Snapdragon, which doesn't exactly outperform the Apple chip in question. The atoms all suffer from a massive battery life loss in comparison to ARM based alternatives.
On April 21 2010 11:53 synapse wrote: - I am specifically referring to Adobe flash. Looking back at the slate-tablet computers, nearly all of them have flash. Not supporting flash was probably Apple's biggest mistake in the making of the iPad (besides the concept itself). All flash-based games, video-streaming and video hosting websites, as well as flash based (graphics-heavy) websites will not work on the iPad. Most of the multimedia applications used on Macs have no iPad counterparts - for example, Garageband.
"nearly all" sounds like hyperbole to me.
Realistically speaking, only Windows slates got a reliable implementation of Flash. Outside of that, official support is lackluster. 10.1 is not out yet, and Adobe has been promising Flash for mobile devices for at least a year.
If you ask me, Apple not supporting Flash in the iPhone nor the iPad is one of their best decisions. For Apple, it means that their software stack does not rely on a component made by a third party with a horrible record of support and performance outside of Windows. As a user, I appreciate not having to deal with unreliable software as a core component, even if its the only way to access certain content.
But the real impact is that as the iPod and iPad become more popular—and the lack of Flash support has not proven to be a long-term problem— Flash becomes less ubiquitous. As Flash becomes less ubiquitous, the faster alternative technologies will be supported and evolve. HTML5 video and canvas still cannot do everything Flash does, but they are gaining momentum.
There already is a shift. Major Flash game providers are porting their games on the iPhone. Youtube, Vimeo, Netflix, Hulu, major news networks, etc. already support or are working on alternatives for video delivery. The fact that something is delivered via Flash on your PC no longer means that it is unsupported on devices without Flash. This is a good thing for consumers, regardless of Apple's motivations to not support Flash. And all this was largely jumpstarted by the iPhone.
- (I'm not sure where you got the "Directed towards idiots" quote from ...) I never said I agreed with the statement, I only stated that the fact that Apple products feature much simpler interfaces led to people considering Mac users as "stupid."
As a software developer, I consider this point of view extremely ironic. Straightforward does not mean simple, and a lot of buttons on the screen does not mean "for advanced users". Designing user interfaces is hard. Designing good user interfaces is *HARD*. Creating a good application workflow without flooding the application with buttons is *HARD*. And "advanced" users cannot see this? When it comes to well-thought, well-designed, "get stuff done" user interfaces, Apple is top notch. That's where my respect for Apple's software development comes from.
The iPhone's user interface was revolutionary, as it changed the perception of how a mobile computer/smartphone is expected to work. Apple is moving the same paradigm with the iPad, and like it or not, it will shape the direction of user interaction for these devices.
On April 21 2010 15:07 0neder wrote: ^ This man knows what's up.
Sounds like regurgitated crap to me.
I don't think that the Iphone's interface had much to do with it's popularity. It was simply the first real smart phone to come out.
There are plenty of phones out now that do it better and I've subsequently seen a sharp drop in the iphone saturation. I see more and more people with Droids/Pre's/HTC's now than I do with Iphones because those devices are just you know...better... and now that specifically Android and Palm are starting to have huge app markets Apple no longer has the strangle hold it once had on the smart phone market.
That being said the Iphone was a good product and I understand why people wanted to have one.
I don't understand what the hell people would get an iPad for. It's a giant iPhone that you know...doesn't call. It is simply not a practical device. The Microsoft Surface demonstration is a practical device, the iPad is a netbook without simple features like...a USB drive. Typing on the iPad is a test in frustration and even my girlfriend who is a DIEHARD mac fan is trying hard to sell her iPad so she can at least get some of her wasted money back.
I think apple has some good concepts, sometimes, even if they are geared for simplicity but the iPad is just...bad.
If anything I'm thankful to Apple and Microsoft for applying pressure on Adobe. Flash has been moving forward at a much faster pace recently that it had in years.
People should calm down about HTML5 killing Flash off though. HTML5 is nice but if iPhones/iPads can skip Flash it's mostly thanks to the countless apps that people have created specifically for these two devices. This isn't extensible to the entire market and Flash/Silverlight aren't disappearing anytime soon.
On April 13 2010 00:12 MacWorld wrote: I don´t think TL.net is their target group. Most here don´t se any point in using any of Apple´s devices.
Nah, I think most people here are just butthurt because they predicted ipad would fail so horribly and now that it's a success, they have to find some way to bring it down so they don't look like an idiot.
I don't think many people here predicted it would fail. It's just not that appealing for most of us.
There is a big difference between "not appealing to me" and "piece of shit". And the general tone of this thread is the latter.
I find it annoying not so much because I am an Apple fan (which I am) but rather because the conversation derails out of an intelligent merits/fault discussion. Its no secret that Apple does not try to appeal to everyone with their products. Oh, and the "I don't use Mac therefore I am smarter than you" attitude. Wasn't it long ago when Windows users were the stupid ones?
Adding a bit of wood on the fire, Apple did their quarterly earning report. Amazing numbers.
After writing this up I realised that this isn't iPad specific, it's more an argument for tablet pcs in general, but I wanted to post it anyway so yeah.
Finally got to use an iPad yesterday (friend of mine ebayed one) and something that I think gets misrepresented is the size. 'It's just a big iphone', I get that, that was my first reaction too, but actually using it I can see why that is actually important. Specifically, as a user experience designer, when using the larger multi-touch screen I can see the kinds of user interactions that I could utilise when developing iPad apps that just wouldn't be feasible on the iPhone. With the iphone you're reaching in to touch with the ends of your fingers, with the iPad your hand can hover and you're moving your whole hand. I feel this is a significant factor. Maybe a better way to describe would be:
Imagine you're holding the iPhone in the palm of your left hand and your right hand is tapping away. Now imagine the iphone being bigger in the palm of your left hand. In the first scenario if you were to utilise 5 fingers then you're kind of limited in that they'll have to be pushed towards each other, in the second, it's more relaxed and they can spread out. That's where new interactions will come from imo.
In short, my point is that the size of the iPad changes things a lot more than I expected, 'it's just a big iphone' ends up being a good thing. I realise that this is the same for any other tablet pc with a capacitive multitouch screen, I guess I just wanted to talk about this cos I hadn't thought about the implications before
On a semi-related note: When I was trying the on screen keyboard I was wary of my typing speed, making sure I was hitting the right keys, then as I upped the speed I was able to get to just about the speed I type on my laptop and I made no typos. Punctuation was a bit weird, and if I had to have typed capitals then I think I would have stuffed up, but I think that would come with time.
On April 21 2010 16:17 baal wrote: sicne when were windows users the stupid ones? i mean from the point of view from a linux user then yeah, but never from an Mac user.
Ever since my OS/2 days, Windows users were the ones who didn't know better. Mac users always were in their own niche, so at least they got "better art tools" on their favor.
I guess the shift didn't happen until Apple became popular after Jobs' return.
Point 1 is ridiculous, not only because of Jobs' hypocrisy, but also because Adobe is actually fairly open with Flash. It's also funny that he cites h.264 so often because it's much more closed and muddled down than Flash is.
#2 is ridiculous. Apple has done as good of a job as you can of providing a web experience without Flash, but it's still not the same. It's only similar because there's devs to try and replicate Flash apps through the App store, but Flash iterations are almost universally better on top of being free.
#3 is totally fair, and true.
I think #4 is wrong, but we'll see in a few weeks when Android gets 10.1. All software decoding draws tons of power.
Seems like #5 is easily fixable.
6 ties around to 1, and it's still full of crap, especially coming from Apple.
#2 is really what it's all about and as a seller, it's a totally understandable decision. It still doesn't fall in line with providing a great user experience, though. Flash would not only take the heels out from under iAd, but the app store would be seriously damaged. Everyone knows this. But whatever, people can enjoy their iPhones. I'm downloading Skyfire 2.0 right now on my Droid, with flash streaming video. ^^
Update: Hulu doesn't quite work yet but OH MY GOD I CAN WATCH PORN ON MY DROID.
On April 30 2010 03:03 Jibba wrote: Point 1 is ridiculous, not only because of Jobs' hypocrisy, but also because Adobe is actually fairly open with Flash. It's also funny that he cites h.264 so often because it's much more closed and muddled down than Flash is.
#2 is ridiculous. Apple has done as good of a job as you can of providing a web experience without Flash, but it's still not the same. It's only similar because there's devs to try and replicate Flash apps through the App store, but Flash iterations are almost universally better on top of being free.
#3 is totally fair, and true.
I think #4 is wrong, but we'll see in a few weeks when Android gets 10.1. All software decoding draws tons of power.
Seems like #5 is easily fixable.
6 ties around to 1, and it's still full of crap, especially coming from Apple.
#2 is really what it's all about and as a seller, it's a totally understandable decision. It still doesn't fall in line with providing a great user experience, though. Flash would not only take the heels out from under iAd, but the app store would be seriously damaged. Everyone knows this. But whatever, people can enjoy their iPhones. I'm downloading Skyfire 2.0 right now on my Droid, with flash streaming video. ^^
Update: Hulu doesn't quite work yet but OH MY GOD I CAN WATCH PORN ON MY DROID.
F YEA DROIDS.
If it werent with verison wireless I would get a droid in a heartbeat. Those are some nice phones.
Yeah. ^^ Mine's overclocked @ 1ghz with Cyanogen, and even though all the next gen smart phones have SNES/Genesis emulators, being the only one with a hardware keyboard makes a big difference.
EDIT: BTW, don't forget this gem from Jobs' reply.
Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice.
On April 30 2010 05:03 Jibba wrote: Yeah. ^^ Mine's overclocked @ 1ghz with Cyanogen, and even though all the next gen smart phones have SNES/Genesis emulators, being the only one with a hardware keyboard makes a big difference.
EDIT: BTW, don't forget this gem from Jobs' reply.
Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice.
That's why I'm sticking with the Palm Pre until a good Droid/HTC option opens up. The tactile response I get from a physical keyboard is pretty much a requirement for me. Sprint has a nice 4g phone coming up in the Evo and it's the Android OS but it's a damn touch screen keyboard The screen is huge on it though. And seriously, it's a 4g phone, the first one actually. 4G is incredibly fast for a mobile device and you'll actually be able to use it on the HTC Evo because it has Flash capabilities. I'm on the fence with it.
The Palm Pre has proven to be a good freaking phone though for the year or so I've had it. Fragile maybe but I like the OS and the functionality.
Also, I can play THE SETTLERS on it. Man I love that game.
On April 30 2010 06:16 Weedman wrote: Errrg Mac fanboys make me cringe.
All about google and pirating windows.
Mp3 players or phones? go samsung imo
The Zune HD does not get the praise it deserves. The sound it delivers is really really good.
The one reason it hasn't caught on like it should is because it's incompatible with MACs which is unfortunately rather prolific in the age group that goes for Mp3 players in the first place. Even with that I know quite a few people with a Zune HD that bemoan the fact that it doesn't work with their mac...they still have one though.
I have always kept my MP3 player and my phone seperate devices because smart phones nowadays take up so much power on their own that listening to music from them would only destroy battery life even more.
When I'm not listening to my Zune I just keep it paused and it goes into sleep mode. With on and off listening it easily lasts a good 2 weeks without need for a charge. My Palm Pre needs to be recharged typically every night in comparison(depends on if I play Settlers that day). If I listened to music on it I would have to charge it every 6-7 hours likely.
That was always the issue I had with ipods...shit battery life.
What I have noticed funny enough is that the biggest train on phone battery life is actually using it as a phone. Nothing drains my phones battery faster than a phone call.
Can we also say this video tears apart every complain about the iPhone not supporting Flash prior to this demo, given that even if Apple allowed Flash, it would not be until today when Adobe can show something?
And it took them how long after the original iPhone to show a working pre-release version? This is the reason why Jobs does not want Flash in the iPhone. He doesn't want his software stack to rely on an unreliable partner.
Hulu is rumored to be working on a native app. Apple's "fight" is not so much HTML5 vs Flash, but serving h264 without Flash as the delivery method. People often forget that content is not always delivered the same way in mobile devices and desktops. But for web-based delivery, yes, HTML5 is the preferred choice.
Flash has actually been running fairly well for a couple months. They had it on display during March Madness too. That is basically a RC, since 10.1 is coming out in a couple weeks. That means it's been working for a while.
HTML5 is NOT the preferred choice, because it can't do all of the behind the scenes things that Hulu needs to do. It's not simply about delivering video content. It's about protecting it and collecting data.
On May 14 2010 20:57 Jibba wrote: Flash has actually been running fairly well for a couple months. They had it on display during March Madness too. That is basically a RC, since 10.1 is coming out in a couple weeks. That means it's been working for a while.
HTML5 is NOT the preferred choice, because it can't do all of the behind the scenes things that Hulu needs to do. It's not simply about delivering video content. It's about protecting it and collecting data.
By preferred choice, I mean Apple's preferred choice of web-based h264 delivery. Not Hulu's.
I've played around with them in the past at Best Buy and some of my friends have them.
It's definitely cool and fun, but it's also a luxury. One of those tablet notebook things pretty much does the same job. I think the iPad is really just a setup for some future technology that will come up in the future.
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