EPTMan Trapped in Coma 23 Years - Page 4
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
On November 24 2009 07:57 Jayve wrote: I don't understand this mentality. I don't see how anything is worse than death and I've never understood the "I'd rather be dead" sentenses. I don't mean to be "racist" or "profile" or whatever you want to call it. But I seem to hear it out of Americans a lot. Can someone explain this mentality to me? I just can't see anything worse than death. Is it because you believe in an afterlife you'd rather be dead? If you're dead, you can't feel any pain, so if you suffered enough in life then death would seem like a relief from your misery. Death could even be a logical choice in some cases, if you don't have anything worth living for or any hope of recovery. OTOH, if you simply can't think of anything worse than death, at least you haven't suffered any of those things  | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 24 2009 08:32 Jayve wrote: I'd imagine he's got even more reason to want to do things after being put 23 years behind. And well, I guess that's the difference then. I don't see death as neutral. I see it as the lowest/worst you can get. I'm swedish. I'd much, much, much rather be dead than spend 23 years unable to communicate or move. I'd probably rather be dead than be paralyzed (neck down) too although I'm not entirely sure about that one. On November 24 2009 05:53 yhnmk wrote: Or how he felt as people raped him. Honestly. It goes without saying female patients are raped, its very very likely the males are as well. Or made fun of, or whatever. Yikes. It goes without saying? I'd like to think that's not something your average coma patient would have to experience (or not experience, as it were). | ||
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irishash
United States285 Posts
ignorant question: if you're completely paralyzed, do you still feel when someone touches your limbs, or an itch as someone mentioned? | ||
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icyF
Finland305 Posts
On November 24 2009 09:00 FrozenArbiter wrote: It goes without saying? I'd like to think that's not something your average coma patient would have to experience (or not experience, as it were). It happened in Kill Bill so it has to be real! On a more serious note tho, being trapped inside your own body for such a long time sounds like one of the worst things that could ever happen. It'd take a very strong person/mind to stay sane. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On November 24 2009 05:53 yhnmk wrote: Or how he felt as people raped him. Honestly. It goes without saying female patients are raped, its very very likely the males are as well. Or made fun of, or whatever. Yikes. ok I have two things to say, both need to be first so please read 1) and then go away for a minute or two and read 2) 1) Just because you have semi-necrofelia fantasies doesnt mean the rest of the world does + Show Spoiler + You didnt take the break did you? WELL TAKE THE BREAK! DO IT! 2)Someone watched kill bill the other night ey? | ||
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omninmo
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Hypnotikdel
United States333 Posts
He can just barely move his fingers enough to type. I'm curious how much movement is that? Inches? centimeters? Surely more than enough I think that doctors, nurses, or visitors would notice if they saw it twitching or even holding his hand?? Or is it normal for the body to twitch like that? Honestly the first thing that would come to mind is to try to give him a pen/pencil maybe he could coordinate it. Who knows I guess just thinking out loud. Another thing, someone touched on this earlier in a post, the worst feeling I believe he could possibly feel was seeing your family and friends visit less and less over the period of time. That to me would be absolutely heart wrenching. Though I would imagine he would become immune to emotions somewhat early in that 23 years. The last thing thing that came to mind that I was curious about is was his eyes open or closed? Could he see his surroundings? or just left to the darkness and the images of nothing except what he manifested himself? If his eyes were open could he look around? I doubt it now that I think of it it would be crazy to think his eyes were open because he would have to blink and that should be a sure tell sign that he's not in a coma. I truly feel terrible for this man. I think this would be worse than death and if I was in his position I would want death I think it would be a relief. As I was typing the last sentence I though of something else.... Just imagine the amount of money his bill has incurred too. It would be outrageous, and if possibly the hospital is decreasing the amount or totally negating it due to the false diagnosis. | ||
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Jayve
155 Posts
On November 24 2009 08:32 defender223 wrote: What don't you understand? That life can get be so unbearable that its not worth living? That people would rather not go trough the experience of being trapped for 23 years? And lets not forget that even now when its discovered that he is aware, he is still almost totally paralyzed  . There are things far far worst then being dead.Yep, exactly that, I don't see how anything is worse than death. On November 24 2009 08:50 [ZiNC]Ling wrote: If you're dead, you can't feel any pain, so if you suffered enough in life then death would seem like a relief from your misery. Death could even be a logical choice in some cases, if you don't have anything worth living for or any hope of recovery. OTOH, if you simply can't think of anything worse than death, at least you haven't suffered any of those things I don't get how you can make judgements about what it's like to be dead. And well that's the thing. I've personally had 3 near death experiences, been exposed to unbelievable physical pains, been mentally tortured, and at no point did I ever think I'd be better off dead. | ||
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keepITup
251 Posts
On November 24 2009 09:37 Jayve wrote: Yep, exactly that, I don't see how anything is worse than death. I don't get how you can make judgements about what it's like to be dead. And well that's the thing. I've personally had 3 near death experiences, been exposed to unbelievable physical pains, been mentally tortured, and at no point did I ever think I'd be better off dead. im gonna go ahead and assume these terrible experiences were temporary -- since your alive and well, posting on TL. tell me when your in a situation where there isn't a sliver of hope in getting out of it. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On November 24 2009 09:37 Jayve wrote: Yep, exactly that, I don't see how anything is worse than death. I don't get how you can make judgements about what it's like to be dead. And well that's the thing. I've personally had 3 near death experiences, been exposed to unbelievable physical pains, been mentally tortured, and at no point did I ever think I'd be better off dead. Because you knew those tortuous experiences wouldn't last/didnt experience them long enough. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Trying to imagine sitting there unable to even control your blinking let alone where you're looking/etc for 23 years straight day aftter day is making my head spin. I can't believe this guy is still sane after all that... Really makes me rethink terminating vegetative-state people though. That 40% statistic is scary... | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
but u gotta admit, 23 years of not being able to communicate and thought of as a tree, being a prisoner of ur own body... who knows how many more of these people that shared the same fate is out there? | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
Not only can't I do shit but I would become a burden to others. This could change if I actually do become paralyzed, but from my viewpoint right now, death is better than paralysis from the neck down. I guess we disagree because I do believe that there are things worse than death. To me, as someone said before, I see death as kind of neutral; it's how you die that's important. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On November 24 2009 07:57 Jayve wrote: I don't understand this mentality. I don't see how anything is worse than death and I've never understood the "I'd rather be dead" sentenses. I don't mean to be "racist" or "profile" or whatever you want to call it. But I seem to hear it out of Americans a lot. Can someone explain this mentality to me? I just can't see anything worse than death. Is it because you believe in an afterlife you'd rather be dead? You serious? I'm an atheist, I don't believe in an afterlife, but it's still obvious there are things much worse than death. Would you rather: A) Be tortured with needles, knives, poisons, etc. in indescribable pain as your life slowly faded while your torturers slapped you with your own kidneys, jammed needles in your eyes, and poured irritants on open wounds all over your body, before finally dying 12 hours later. B) Be shot in the head and die within seconds, your brain fully ceasing function after a minute or so maximum? Sounds like you would choose A, because you'd still be alive for 12 hours longer, and nothing's worse than death, right? It's an extreme example, but it shows it's just a matter of opinion. Some things ARE worse than death, and personally, I would definitely rather die than spend 23 years trapped in a paralyzed body with everyone thinking I was braindead. DEFINITELY. It wouldn't take me 5 seconds to make a choice like that. | ||
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Ha.cK
United States271 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
For a lot. Or at least try =/, that would suck hard. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
A) Be tortured with needles, knives, poisons, etc. in indescribable pain as your life slowly faded while your torturers slapped you with your own kidneys, jammed needles in your eyes, and poured irritants on open wounds all over your body, before finally dying 12 hours later. B) Be shot in the head and die within seconds, your brain fully ceasing function after a minute or so maximum? Since your entire premise was that there are things worse than death, using death as the consequence of either decision makes for a poor example. Anyhow, the entire story has proven that this man's situation, however desperate, was not hopeless, therefore such drastic hypotheticals are irrelevant to the story. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
On November 24 2009 10:26 Grobyc wrote: I would sue. For a lot. Or at least try =/, that would suck hard. On what basis would you sue? For not developing state of the art brain scanning technology 23 years faster? Such a shitty story, feel so bad for him. Also can't imagine what it is like for people with relatives in such a state to read this story, or even doctors and nurses that work with people in that condition. So scary. So many what ifs. Fuck. | ||
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