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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 23 2009 22:14 GMT
#41
wait, wasnt there an episode of House exactly about something like this?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 23 2009 22:17 GMT
#42
On November 24 2009 07:14 fabiano wrote:
wait, wasnt there an episode of House exactly about something like this?


the one with mos def?
keepITup
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
251 Posts
November 23 2009 22:18 GMT
#43
What a vague article.

So people in comas with functioning brains can hear everything around them? Was he able to do this the entire time? Is he out of a coma and paralyzed, or in a coma and somehow can move his right hand?
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
November 23 2009 22:19 GMT
#44
Terrifying. Poor man.
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Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
November 23 2009 22:20 GMT
#45
On November 24 2009 07:18 keepITup wrote:
What a vague article.

So people in comas with functioning brains can hear everything around them? Was he able to do this the entire time? Is he out of a coma and paralyzed, or in a coma and somehow can move his right hand?


lol you can't be in a coma and type anything meaningful... He was never in a "coma" so to speak, doctors thought he was in vegetative state, but he was actually fully paralyzed.
keepITup
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
251 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-23 22:22:36
November 23 2009 22:21 GMT
#46
On November 24 2009 07:20 Try wrote:
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On November 24 2009 07:18 keepITup wrote:
What a vague article.

So people in comas with functioning brains can hear everything around them? Was he able to do this the entire time? Is he out of a coma and paralyzed, or in a coma and somehow can move his right hand?


lol you can't be in a coma and type anything meaningful... He was never in a "coma" so to speak, doctors thought he was in vegetative state, but he was actually fully paralyzed.


oohhhh, thread title is kind of misleading then isn't it?
himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
November 23 2009 22:24 GMT
#47
hopefully he was like in a dreamlike state for most of the time.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 23 2009 22:29 GMT
#48
On November 24 2009 07:08 travis wrote:
I am confused by what you are saying.

Are you saying that it wouldn't be extremely confusing and disorienting?

I am saying you understated how bad it would be. Obviously it would be a lot worse than confusing and disorienting.
lvatural
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States347 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-23 22:51:30
November 23 2009 22:50 GMT
#49
On November 24 2009 07:13 travis wrote:
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On November 24 2009 07:07 lvatural wrote:
On November 24 2009 06:49 travis wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks it's not that bad?

Maybe I have the wrong idea of what it was like for this guy, but I doubt his brain was 100% lucid. I have to imagine it as being a much more dreamlike / hazy state.


How you reached this determination that he is in a 'hazy state' is beyond me (pure speculation imo) but even so...23 years is a very long time.

Do you think solitary confinement for 23 years is not that bad? I think the case presented here is arguably a lot worse.


yes it was clearly speculation. isn't all of this? have any of us been in his situation before?

I reached it based on a period of time when i stayed in bed (mostly with my eyes closed) for about 48 hours. It didn't take long before i was in a super hazy state, disoriented, and didn't know when it was or wtf was going on, and wasn't sure about the order of events that had occured to me in the last 48 hours.

I have to imagine that without sight, and communication with others, yes things would become very hazy and dreamlike.


And I think solitary confinement for 23 years would likely be worse than this.

The more solidly the ego is formed, the easier it is to freak out and feel bad.
If you're just floating along in your own mind most of the time, I doubt it is as bad as having to be fully awake and sitting there for an equal amount of time.


and for when someone asks, the reason i stayed in bed that long was that i was super depressed


There may be a causation issue here...your hazy state might have been due to your "super depression" rather than lying around for 48 hours. Sure he may become disoriented for lapses of time (like you said who knows?) from being in a pretty horrifying state, but I would find it reasonable to doubt that such existed for the entire 23 year duration.

Again how you connect no sight + inability to communicate --> hazy state, I don't understand. The mere fact that he could hear "every word" from the doctors and that he consciously screamed seem to imply the exact opposite.

He would feel better in solitary confinement rather than his state due to having a "less solid ego"? I'm no psychologist but that doesn't really seem compelling to me. You presume his ego is less solid (whatever the hell that means) and because of this somehow he is no longer concerned about his inability to communicate/see/read/write/taste/etc...

From this argument you'd take his predicament over solitary confinement? Really?

Edit: BTW I just noticed your sig. Surprised that you aren't a little more sympathetic to the man.
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Jayve
Profile Joined February 2009
155 Posts
November 23 2009 22:57 GMT
#50
On November 24 2009 05:25 Azrael1111 wrote:
After 23 years of just sitting around who wouldn't want to be dead?

On November 24 2009 05:55 LF9 wrote:
I can't even fathom this. That's longer than I've even been alive, and he had absolutely no choice; he probably wished to be killed after a year or so of it. After what he's been through, someone really needs to get together a fundraiser to hire hookers to give him day and night pleasure for the rest of his life. It's only fair.

On November 24 2009 06:15 LordWeird wrote:
It's probably terrible to want to cry and scream and kill yourself but not be able to do it for twenty three years. It was probably the most torturous twenty three years anybody has ever had to go through. I imagine a lot of the time he tried to sleep.

God that sucks.


I don't understand this mentality.

I don't see how anything is worse than death and I've never understood the "I'd rather be dead" sentenses.

I don't mean to be "racist" or "profile" or whatever you want to call it. But I seem to hear it out of Americans a lot. Can someone explain this mentality to me? I just can't see anything worse than death.

Is it because you believe in an afterlife you'd rather be dead?
FonzeXD
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States220 Posts
November 23 2009 23:03 GMT
#51
A guy who was in death row for 17 years was exonerated after serving those 17 years. He went to do a public speaking at my college like a few weeks ago. It was interesting to hear stories of man.

I like to read these stories because it always prepares me to NOT get into situations like that because I am so impatient I will want to run around outside NAKED if I'm in a movie theater longer than 25 minutes. Now, imagine staying put for 17 or 23 or 50?!? years, how long can one be patient enough to just wait and see?

The mind is powerful enough to hurt, dismantle, and even depress you, but, it isn't powerful enough to end your own life? But, it's powerful enough to preserve your sanity? I am confused but at the same time astonished by these men.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-23 23:07:48
November 23 2009 23:06 GMT
#52
On November 24 2009 07:50 lvatural wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 07:13 travis wrote:
On November 24 2009 07:07 lvatural wrote:
On November 24 2009 06:49 travis wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks it's not that bad?

Maybe I have the wrong idea of what it was like for this guy, but I doubt his brain was 100% lucid. I have to imagine it as being a much more dreamlike / hazy state.


How you reached this determination that he is in a 'hazy state' is beyond me (pure speculation imo) but even so...23 years is a very long time.

Do you think solitary confinement for 23 years is not that bad? I think the case presented here is arguably a lot worse.


yes it was clearly speculation. isn't all of this? have any of us been in his situation before?

I reached it based on a period of time when i stayed in bed (mostly with my eyes closed) for about 48 hours. It didn't take long before i was in a super hazy state, disoriented, and didn't know when it was or wtf was going on, and wasn't sure about the order of events that had occured to me in the last 48 hours.

I have to imagine that without sight, and communication with others, yes things would become very hazy and dreamlike.


And I think solitary confinement for 23 years would likely be worse than this.

The more solidly the ego is formed, the easier it is to freak out and feel bad.
If you're just floating along in your own mind most of the time, I doubt it is as bad as having to be fully awake and sitting there for an equal amount of time.


and for when someone asks, the reason i stayed in bed that long was that i was super depressed


There may be a causation issue here...your hazy state might have been due to your "super depression" rather than lying around for 48 hours. Sure he may become disoriented for lapses of time (like you said who knows?) from being in a pretty horrifying state, but I would find it reasonable to doubt that such existed for the entire 23 year duration.

Again how you connect no sight + inability to communicate --> hazy state, I don't understand. The mere fact that he could hear "every word" from the doctors and that he consciously screamed seem to imply the exact opposite.

He would feel better in solitary confinement rather than his state due to having a "less solid ego"? I'm no psychologist but that doesn't really seem compelling to me. You presume his ego is less solid (whatever the hell that means) and because of this somehow he is no longer concerned about his inability to communicate/see/read/write/taste/etc...

From this argument you'd take his predicament over solitary confinement? Really?

Edit: BTW I just noticed your sig. Surprised that you aren't a little more sympathetic to the man.



I have sympathy for beings not articles. I do not know what this guy went through, as we all seem to agree our opinions on this are based on speculation. I very easily could be wrong about all the opinions I have expressed.

My hazy state was very likely influenced by my depression. I think the ability for me to lay in bed for 48 hours was directly caused by the depression. So yes, they are surely linked.

But, I also do not think that many people could willingly lie in bed for much longer than that without becoming depressed. So that kind of makes that point moot.

I do not necessarily think that lack of sight and inability to communicate = hazy state. It was an oversimplification. What I think leads to a hazy state is lack of action, drifting of thoughts, intermittent sleep, lack of movement, lack of stimulus, and inability to judge the passing of time. Lack of sight, and inability to communicate or move, are what would cause all of these things.

Just guesses. That is all this is.

Assuming that he drifts in and out of sleep, generally experiences things without reflecting upon them, and moves from one moment into the next without dwelling - yes I would take his predicament over solitary confinement.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
November 23 2009 23:14 GMT
#53
No man deserves this. I'm glad they found him again. 23 years...
keepITup
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
251 Posts
November 23 2009 23:15 GMT
#54
On November 24 2009 07:57 Jayve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 05:25 Azrael1111 wrote:
After 23 years of just sitting around who wouldn't want to be dead?

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 05:55 LF9 wrote:
I can't even fathom this. That's longer than I've even been alive, and he had absolutely no choice; he probably wished to be killed after a year or so of it. After what he's been through, someone really needs to get together a fundraiser to hire hookers to give him day and night pleasure for the rest of his life. It's only fair.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 06:15 LordWeird wrote:
It's probably terrible to want to cry and scream and kill yourself but not be able to do it for twenty three years. It was probably the most torturous twenty three years anybody has ever had to go through. I imagine a lot of the time he tried to sleep.

God that sucks.


I don't understand this mentality.

I don't see how anything is worse than death and I've never understood the "I'd rather be dead" sentenses.

I don't mean to be "racist" or "profile" or whatever you want to call it. But I seem to hear it out of Americans a lot. Can someone explain this mentality to me? I just can't see anything worse than death.

Is it because you believe in an afterlife you'd rather be dead?


The only thing this guy can do is think, after 23 years he's probably more curious about death than anything else.

lvatural
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States347 Posts
November 23 2009 23:24 GMT
#55
On November 24 2009 08:06 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 07:50 lvatural wrote:
On November 24 2009 07:13 travis wrote:
On November 24 2009 07:07 lvatural wrote:
On November 24 2009 06:49 travis wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks it's not that bad?

Maybe I have the wrong idea of what it was like for this guy, but I doubt his brain was 100% lucid. I have to imagine it as being a much more dreamlike / hazy state.


How you reached this determination that he is in a 'hazy state' is beyond me (pure speculation imo) but even so...23 years is a very long time.

Do you think solitary confinement for 23 years is not that bad? I think the case presented here is arguably a lot worse.


yes it was clearly speculation. isn't all of this? have any of us been in his situation before?

I reached it based on a period of time when i stayed in bed (mostly with my eyes closed) for about 48 hours. It didn't take long before i was in a super hazy state, disoriented, and didn't know when it was or wtf was going on, and wasn't sure about the order of events that had occured to me in the last 48 hours.

I have to imagine that without sight, and communication with others, yes things would become very hazy and dreamlike.


And I think solitary confinement for 23 years would likely be worse than this.

The more solidly the ego is formed, the easier it is to freak out and feel bad.
If you're just floating along in your own mind most of the time, I doubt it is as bad as having to be fully awake and sitting there for an equal amount of time.


and for when someone asks, the reason i stayed in bed that long was that i was super depressed


There may be a causation issue here...your hazy state might have been due to your "super depression" rather than lying around for 48 hours. Sure he may become disoriented for lapses of time (like you said who knows?) from being in a pretty horrifying state, but I would find it reasonable to doubt that such existed for the entire 23 year duration.

Again how you connect no sight + inability to communicate --> hazy state, I don't understand. The mere fact that he could hear "every word" from the doctors and that he consciously screamed seem to imply the exact opposite.

He would feel better in solitary confinement rather than his state due to having a "less solid ego"? I'm no psychologist but that doesn't really seem compelling to me. You presume his ego is less solid (whatever the hell that means) and because of this somehow he is no longer concerned about his inability to communicate/see/read/write/taste/etc...

From this argument you'd take his predicament over solitary confinement? Really?

Edit: BTW I just noticed your sig. Surprised that you aren't a little more sympathetic to the man.



I have sympathy for beings not articles.

But, I also do not think that many people could willingly lie in bed for much longer than that without becoming depressed. So that kind of makes that point moot.

What have we been talking about this entire time? Simply because the man is ancillary to our main discussion does not preclude the fact that we are talking about a man in a living-state coma for 23 years.

Two days of lying in bed ~> 22 years and 10 months of depression? Again...I don't understand how you come to these kinds of conclusions.

We have different opinions...let's just leave it at that.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
November 23 2009 23:25 GMT
#56
On November 24 2009 07:57 Jayve wrote:
I don't understand this mentality.

I don't see how anything is worse than death and I've never understood the "I'd rather be dead" sentenses.

I don't mean to be "racist" or "profile" or whatever you want to call it. But I seem to hear it out of Americans a lot. Can someone explain this mentality to me? I just can't see anything worse than death.

Is it because you believe in an afterlife you'd rather be dead?

Death is merely the cessation of existence. If your existence is chiefly negative, wouldn't death be a welcome reprieve? Dying is certainly a pretty lame experience, I'd imagine, but being dead is the ultimate neutrality; simply nothing. We've already not existed for an infinite amount of time before our lives began. Was it so bad?
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
November 23 2009 23:27 GMT
#57
This kind of stuff really scares me. The boredom...oh god the boredom.
Jayve
Profile Joined February 2009
155 Posts
November 23 2009 23:32 GMT
#58
On November 24 2009 08:15 keepITup wrote:
The only thing this guy can do is think, after 23 years he's probably more curious about death than anything else.


On November 24 2009 08:25 3clipse wrote:
Death is merely the cessation of existence. If your existence is chiefly negative, wouldn't death be a welcome reprieve? Dying is certainly a pretty lame experience, I'd imagine, but being dead is the ultimate neutrality; simply nothing. We've already not existed for an infinite amount of time before our lives began. Was it so bad?



I'd imagine he's got even more reason to want to do things after being put 23 years behind.

And well, I guess that's the difference then. I don't see death as neutral. I see it as the lowest/worst you can get.
defender223
Profile Joined February 2008
10 Posts
November 23 2009 23:32 GMT
#59
On November 24 2009 07:57 Jayve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 05:25 Azrael1111 wrote:
After 23 years of just sitting around who wouldn't want to be dead?

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 05:55 LF9 wrote:
I can't even fathom this. That's longer than I've even been alive, and he had absolutely no choice; he probably wished to be killed after a year or so of it. After what he's been through, someone really needs to get together a fundraiser to hire hookers to give him day and night pleasure for the rest of his life. It's only fair.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2009 06:15 LordWeird wrote:
It's probably terrible to want to cry and scream and kill yourself but not be able to do it for twenty three years. It was probably the most torturous twenty three years anybody has ever had to go through. I imagine a lot of the time he tried to sleep.

God that sucks.


I don't understand this mentality.

I don't see how anything is worse than death and I've never understood the "I'd rather be dead" sentenses.

I don't mean to be "racist" or "profile" or whatever you want to call it. But I seem to hear it out of Americans a lot. Can someone explain this mentality to me? I just can't see anything worse than death.

Is it because you believe in an afterlife you'd rather be dead?


What don't you understand? That life can get be so unbearable that its not worth living? That people would rather not go trough the experience of being trapped for 23 years? And lets not forget that even now when its discovered that he is aware, he is still almost totally paralyzed. There are things far far worst then being dead.



Would anybody really want to go trough something like this for example? I certainly would not, especially not in the age of technology when we can make it quick and painless, basically like falling asleep and thats it.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 23 2009 23:40 GMT
#60
holy shit that is one of the worst things imaginable.

he missed the grand finals last year!
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