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On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:10 benjammin wrote:
and i suppose you think it's not disparaging to disregard other world religions in mandating this law? to me this just smells like jesus freaks trying to sneak the good book into public schools Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations. I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned
http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found.
This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer.
The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one.
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I feel sorry for the kids who will have to read that entire thing lol. Pretty preposterous.
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Don't they require all schools to have math in their curriculum? What happened to math and state seperation?
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On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:10 benjammin wrote:
and i suppose you think it's not disparaging to disregard other world religions in mandating this law? to me this just smells like jesus freaks trying to sneak the good book into public schools Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations. I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one.
As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools.
come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else
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As long as we are on the topic of "Church and State".
In 1947, in the case Everson v Board of Education, Associate Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black, writing for a 5-4 majority, asserted that "no tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion." He added, "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."
Black had been Franklin Roosevelts first appointee to the SCOTUS. He was a senator from Alabama--and a relibable New Deal proponent in the Senate and on the Court. He had also been a member of the KKK in the 1920s and was hostile toward the Catholic Church. According to Black's son, "The KKK and Daddy, so far as I could tell, had one thing in common. He suspected the Catholic Church. He used to read all of the Paul Blanshard's books exposing the power abuse in the Catholic Church. He thought the Pope and Bishops had too much power and property. He resented the fact that rental property owned by the Church was not taxed; he felt they got most of their revenue from the poor and did not return enought of it."
Whatever Black's motivations, he orchestrated a wretched betrayal of America's founding and succeeded in rewriting the First Amendment to say what the Framers would never have countenanced.
Chief Justice William Rehnquist argued in 1985, in the case Wallace v Jaffree, "The First Amendment Establishment Clause did not require government neutrality between religion and irreligion nor did it prohibit the Federal Government from providing nondiscriminatory aid to religion. There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition that the Framers intended to build a 'wall of seperation' that was constitutionalized in Everson."
Actually, the Founders did not require nondiscriminatory aid to religion, for it existed at the time of the founding and the Consititutions ratification. They rejected the establishment of a national religion, leaving the states free to make their own decisions. And by the time Everson was decided, the few states that had established churches had long past abolished them. Still, the Everson fiat applied to all levels of government because the Court was not concerned with the establishment of a theocracy but rather with establishing a secular polity.
A theocracy is not established if certain public schools allow their students to pray at the beginning of the day, or participate in Christmas or Easter assemblies; or if certain school districts transport parochial students to their religious schools as part of the districts bus route; or certain communities choose to construct a manger scene on the grounds of their town hall or display the Ten Commandments above their courthouse steps. The individual is not required to change his religious affiliation or even accept God's existence. He is not required to worship against his beliefs or even worship at all. Some might be uncomfortable or offended by these events, but individuals are uncomfortable all the time over all kinds of government activities.
While all religions may not have similar access to these public places, they are largely free to conduct themselves as they wish, uninhibited by the community, as long as they do not engage in criminal practices.
The American courts sit today as supreme secular councils, which, like Islam's supreme religious councils, dictate all manner of approved behavior respecting religion. Whereas the supreme religious councils enforce Islamic law, the supreme secular councils have seized for themselves the mission of segregating God and religion from public life and have immersed themselves in religious matters. Neither of the councils tolerates conflicting or diverse viewpoints, insisting that their rulings are the final word for all society.
In essence, one SCOTUS ruling eclipsed the intent of the First Amendment and our Founding. Can it not be said of the three co-equal branches that if one branch has such unyielding power then they are not co-equal, but unequal?
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On August 17 2009 20:50 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:10 benjammin wrote:
and i suppose you think it's not disparaging to disregard other world religions in mandating this law? to me this just smells like jesus freaks trying to sneak the good book into public schools Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations. I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one. Show nested quote +As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else
I was there, I'm sorry that isn't enough of a "real source" for you. It was related to the "prayer around the flagpole" that happened at about that time. I imagine you'll have to look at microfiche of newspapers at the time since the Internet wasn't around at the time. It'd be in the late 80's during the school year. I was in Texas at the time, so it'd be a good start for you.
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what? thats like a totaly different subject, i mean if your going down that lane you wanna shift to the ammount of money the us puts into israel instead
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It sounds like it's not required to graduate but only required to be available. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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On August 17 2009 21:07 Snet wrote:
It sounds like it's not required to graduate but only required to be available. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
You're reading it right. It provides half a credit and is an elective course.
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@aeg
...what? to quote a founding father:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.
and before you misinterpret 'free exercise thereof', read more about supreme court history
also, you grossly smear hugo black there, but see: kwark's sig, i hope people have stopped placing any value or belief in anything that you post
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On August 17 2009 21:01 NExUS1g wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 20:50 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:10 benjammin wrote:
and i suppose you think it's not disparaging to disregard other world religions in mandating this law? to me this just smells like jesus freaks trying to sneak the good book into public schools Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations. I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one. As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else I was there, I'm sorry that isn't enough of a "real source" for you. It was related to the "prayer around the flagpole" that happened at about that time. I imagine you'll have to look at microfiche of newspapers at the time since the Internet wasn't around at the time. It'd be in the late 80's during the school year. I was in Texas at the time, so it'd be a good start for you.
why's the burden of proof on me for something you said that's incorrect?
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Heaven forbid, an elective on the Bible as literature?! I better go tell Lüdemann...
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On August 17 2009 21:14 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 21:01 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:50 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:10 benjammin wrote:
and i suppose you think it's not disparaging to disregard other world religions in mandating this law? to me this just smells like jesus freaks trying to sneak the good book into public schools Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations. I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one. As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else I was there, I'm sorry that isn't enough of a "real source" for you. It was related to the "prayer around the flagpole" that happened at about that time. I imagine you'll have to look at microfiche of newspapers at the time since the Internet wasn't around at the time. It'd be in the late 80's during the school year. I was in Texas at the time, so it'd be a good start for you. why's the burden of proof on me for something you said that's incorrect?
It's not incorrect, for one. I was there -- I know what happened during my life. Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Secondly, I can't exactly post microfiche for you, can I? And I don't think you live in Portland for us to go together to the library to look for the information.
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There's no 'grey area' about it. No religion should be taught in public schools. This completely goes against separation of church and state and freedom of religion. There is nothing good about this.
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On August 17 2009 21:16 stafu wrote:
There's no 'grey area' about it. No religion should be taught in public schools. This completely goes against separation of church and state and freedom of religion. There is nothing good about this.
You don't understand separation of church and state.
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On August 17 2009 21:16 NExUS1g wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 21:14 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 21:01 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:50 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:10 benjammin wrote:
and i suppose you think it's not disparaging to disregard other world religions in mandating this law? to me this just smells like jesus freaks trying to sneak the good book into public schools Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations. I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one. As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else I was there, I'm sorry that isn't enough of a "real source" for you. It was related to the "prayer around the flagpole" that happened at about that time. I imagine you'll have to look at microfiche of newspapers at the time since the Internet wasn't around at the time. It'd be in the late 80's during the school year. I was in Texas at the time, so it'd be a good start for you. why's the burden of proof on me for something you said that's incorrect? It's not incorrect, for one. I was there -- I know what happened during my life. Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Secondly, I can't exactly post microfiche for you, can I? And I don't think you live in Portland for us to go together to the library to look for the information.
prayer is only prohibited in public schools if it is organized, they aren't roaming the lunchrooms looking to pick off kids with their hands folded and drag them in front of a magistrate; if the interpretation in your school was that any form of public display that could be constituted as prayer was banned, that was wrong
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On August 17 2009 21:19 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 21:16 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 21:14 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 21:01 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:50 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:14 NExUS1g wrote:
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Nothing is being mandated. The law is ALLOWING the teaching given certain stipulations.
I recall when prayer in school was banned. the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one. As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else I was there, I'm sorry that isn't enough of a "real source" for you. It was related to the "prayer around the flagpole" that happened at about that time. I imagine you'll have to look at microfiche of newspapers at the time since the Internet wasn't around at the time. It'd be in the late 80's during the school year. I was in Texas at the time, so it'd be a good start for you. why's the burden of proof on me for something you said that's incorrect? It's not incorrect, for one. I was there -- I know what happened during my life. Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Secondly, I can't exactly post microfiche for you, can I? And I don't think you live in Portland for us to go together to the library to look for the information. prayer is only prohibited in public schools if it is organized, they aren't roaming the lunchrooms looking to pick off kids with their hands folded and drag them in front of a magistrate; if the interpretation in your school was that any form of public display that could be constituted as prayer was banned, that was wrong
Look, I doubt you were even born at the time so you don't know what happened. And yes, if they caught you praying before eating lunch, you got dragged to the principle's office and suspended for, I think, three days. The whole ordeal happened over the span of a few months, and it's one of those things that if you weren't there, you'd think it never happened.
Look, I remember Jimmy Carter being president. I grew up with Reagan and the Cold War and being worried about a global nuclear war. I was nearly an adult when the first World Trade Center bombing occurred. I watched Desert Storm in my Junior High classroom. I watched the Challenger disaster live on T.V. I was in high school when the Internet came out. These are things that, even if you remember some of them, is a faint pittance in your mind. I know what happened, you weren't there, you didn't experience it for yourself, and you shouldn't question someone who was there. I don't think you'd question a Vietnam survivor about what he said happened when he was in Vietnam.
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Nexus, it's futile to argue on this. They don't understand that allowing this to be taught isn't a violation of Church and State because for one, it is neither forcing nor coercing anyone into a set of beliefs that they do not follow. Seperation of Church and State means that the State does not endorse a State religion; such as Britain and Church of England.
The Secularists hold mantle and promote their beliefs in lieu of allowing the prospect and ability for other viewpoints. Neither forced, but allowing differing viewpoints on subject matter is a good thing. In any event this is why I said at the onset as long as Secularists bias, views, courses, etc. are in the schools so shall be religious. However, I believe the best benefit is that neither secularist nor religious matters are brought into school. It is my belief that, that subject matter is better suited for your family and home life.
Anyways, it's pretty futile because they believe that any mention of religion goes against "Church and State" which is false as evidenced by all the scripture on national buildings, monuments, and in our Founding Declarations.
Even, I an agnostic can attest to the aforementioned having no agenda of promotion involved. Facts are there.
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On August 17 2009 21:30 NExUS1g wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 21:19 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 21:16 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 21:14 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 21:01 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:50 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:42 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:34 benjammin wrote:On August 17 2009 20:23 NExUS1g wrote:On August 17 2009 20:16 benjammin wrote:
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the law is REQUIRING the teaching No it isn't. The law says: ELECTIVE COURSES ON THE BIBLE'S HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) AND NEW TESTAMENT AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE HISTORY AND LITERATURE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. These courses are ELECTIVES, not requirements of the students, and is secular in its teaching. it is requiring the schools to offer the courses, i didn't mean that the students were required to take them, school administrators are powerless if they feel uncomfortable about this policy can you provide a source where individual displays of prayer are banned in public schools? teacher-led public prayer is (and should be) banned http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098_Ban_on_school_prayer.html Here's an article I found. This was when I was a kid that prayer was banned when I was in middle-school in the late 80's. I was also in school where teacher-led prayer was allowed prior to the banning of all prayer, including personal prayer. The statute requires public schools to make this elective available, but it is a secular teaching, not a religious one. As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. come on now, provide a real source, the 1962 supreme court ruling bans teacher-led prayer in schools, nothing else I was there, I'm sorry that isn't enough of a "real source" for you. It was related to the "prayer around the flagpole" that happened at about that time. I imagine you'll have to look at microfiche of newspapers at the time since the Internet wasn't around at the time. It'd be in the late 80's during the school year. I was in Texas at the time, so it'd be a good start for you. why's the burden of proof on me for something you said that's incorrect? It's not incorrect, for one. I was there -- I know what happened during my life. Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Secondly, I can't exactly post microfiche for you, can I? And I don't think you live in Portland for us to go together to the library to look for the information. prayer is only prohibited in public schools if it is organized, they aren't roaming the lunchrooms looking to pick off kids with their hands folded and drag them in front of a magistrate; if the interpretation in your school was that any form of public display that could be constituted as prayer was banned, that was wrong Look, I doubt you were even born at the time so you don't know what happened. And yes, if they caught you praying before eating lunch, you got dragged to the principle's office and suspended for, I think, three days. The whole ordeal happened over the span of a few months, and it's one of those things that if you weren't there, you'd think it never happened. Look, I remember Jimmy Carter being president. I grew up with Reagan and the Cold War and being worried about a global nuclear war. I was nearly an adult when the first World Trade Center bombing occurred. I watched Desert Storm in my Junior High classroom. I watched the Challenger disaster live on T.V. I was in high school when the Internet came out. These are things that, even if you remember some of them, is a faint pittance in your mind. I know what happened, you weren't there, you didn't experience it for yourself, and you shouldn't question someone who was there. I don't think you'd question a Vietnam survivor about what he said happened when he was in Vietnam.
i would if the things he were saying were not true, and if that's what was happening at your school (which i have a hard time believing but whatever), it was not in accordance with any supreme court decisions about prayer in schools. i'd say it might have been a local thing, but if you were in texas that's even harder to believe. if that was really the case, blame incompetent school administrators
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On August 17 2009 21:12 benjammin wrote:@aeg ...what? to quote a founding father: Show nested quote +Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. and before you misinterpret 'free exercise thereof', read more about supreme court history also, you grossly smear hugo black there, but see: kwark's sig, i hope people have stopped placing any value or belief in anything that you post
"Make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
This means that congress shall make no law establishing a State Religion. It does not mean that everything related to religion shall not be uttered or receive aid by the State. Look at all national monuments, statues, and our Founding Declarations which all involve God. They included that in the First Amendment to prevent a Theocracy.
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