EPTTo answer a previous The Bible is capitalized because it is the title of a book. It is the same case as if I wrote a book titled A Book.
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
To answer a previous The Bible is capitalized because it is the title of a book. It is the same case as if I wrote a book titled A Book. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Our education system is so terrible right now I don't even know if this could possibly fuck it up more. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway472 Posts
or do you take the whole bunch as evangelism/lutheranism/catolism? There is also a radical difference within the "thought process" trough these, i think alot of people agree with the fact that THEOLOGIANS are more than fine, however self-elected pastors with no basis for they're interpretation is a completely other thing, or basically anyone who really thinks they got the truth and the gazillion other are liars and heretics. There is so many layers of this, and i must admit a certain pessimism towards texas  Oh and a interesting subject being mentioned also, the generall pride/ignorance in the us is most likely a product of the puritans if i got it right? with "individual grace" and everything. edit: obligatory spellcheckedit | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
couldn't you argue that the state is oppressing, say, islam by not teaching it alongside the bible in foundational religious texts or whatever the hell they are teaching? | ||
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Mah Buckit!
Finland474 Posts
On August 17 2009 18:26 alffla wrote: i thought Finnish people were very depressed No, like most people the majority in Finland is too stupid to be depressed. | ||
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:22 benjammin wrote: well, that exact verbiage doesn't appear, but it doesn't take a genius to interpret in that manner couldn't you argue that the state is oppressing, say, islam by not teaching it alongside the bible in foundational religious texts or whatever the hell they are teaching? Thomas Jefferson is not the Constitution. Is the state banning or preventing the practice of Islam? No. So it is not oppressing it. | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
On August 17 2009 16:55 Licmyobelisk wrote: I think most of you are afraid that the children will be religiously bias and wouldn't have an open mind when it comes to other people's religion especially to atheist, that's why you don't like this law to be passed to public schools. Well, lets just say it's up to the kids to decide if they will be bias or not but I believe that most of them wouldn't be like that. The problem is that children are very easily manipulated. The vast majority of religious people are raised in religious families who teach them that they will go to hell etc. This social conditioning stays with them and influences them for the rest of their lives. Children are not capable of approaching the subject matter with an open mind and lack the ability to assess the validity of what they are being taught, which leads them into a poor frame of thinking. One that isnt based on logic, evidence or truth but rather somone elses values which have been pushed onto them. Now, if they are going to go about teaching about the bible rather than preaching the bible, then they can go ahead. It is important however that the teacher isnt pushing his or her beliefs onto a child and that the subject is approached without bias. | ||
KwarK
United States43351 Posts
Although tbh I wouldn't mind watching a bit of gay porn instead of seeing gay pride rallies. The purpose is the same, to shock us into acceptance, and one doesn't clog up city centres for hours. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:29 benjammin wrote: funding the training of teachers to teach explicitly one school of thought on religion is using public funds to prevent the study of other religions No, it is the teaching of a religion. It is important for preparation into college because world religions is typical subject matter. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:31 NExUS1g wrote: No, it is the teaching of a religion. It is important for preparation into college because world religions is typical subject matter. then teach WORLD religions, not ONE religion, only funding training for the teaching of one is oppression | ||
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:33 benjammin wrote: then teach WORLD religions, not ONE religion, only funding training for the teaching of one is oppression No, it is the teaching of a religion. I'm not going to repeat that again. No one is oppressing a religion since they still have the freedom to practice it. With the funding schools get, we're lucky they teach one. | ||
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KwarK
United States43351 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:35 NExUS1g wrote: No, it is the teaching of a religion. I'm not going to repeat that again. No one is oppressing a religion since they still have the freedom to practice it. With the funding schools get, we're lucky they teach one. i'm not talking about freedom to practice it, i'm saying that choosing one from many and creating a mandatory state law to enact it and only it is systematically oppressing knowledge of religions other than christianity, i can't see why this point is so hard to concede | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway472 Posts
As a sucker for the theme i must say that it's pretty amazing how religion evolves over time, and it's roots and links.pluss edit: THAT is 10 times more interesting/valuable than the teachings of 1 spesific religion | ||
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:38 Kwark wrote: If they ran a political course and only looked at the Republican party it wouldn't be balanced. You wouldn't say people still have the freedom to support the Democratic party and therefore it's fair. If they only looked at the Republican party, they would learn about the Republican party. They would still have the freedom to support the Democratic party, but they would be more informed, via standard education, of the Republican party. We make the mistake that kids should learn EVERYTHING in school. The only reason to be upset about this is if you allow school to be the child's only source of information. Do you know how much misinformation I received in my education over the years? Like the fact that gravity is caused by the rotation of the Earth... | ||
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:39 benjammin wrote: i'm not talking about freedom to practice it, i'm saying that choosing one from many and creating a mandatory state law to enact it and only it is systematically oppressing knowledge of religions other than christianity, i can't see why this point is so hard to concede If you're not talking about the freedom to practice a religion, then you're not talking about a constitutional issue; you're talking about a philosophical one. | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:29 Fen wrote: The problem is that children are very easily manipulated. The vast majority of religious people are raised in religious families who teach them that they will go to hell etc. This social conditioning stays with them and influences them for the rest of their lives. Children are not capable of approaching the subject matter with an open mind and lack the ability to assess the validity of what they are being taught, which leads them into a poor frame of thinking. One that isnt based on logic, evidence or truth but rather somone elses values which have been pushed onto them. Now, if they are going to go about teaching about the bible rather than preaching the bible, then they can go ahead. It is important however that the teacher isnt pushing his or her beliefs onto a child and that the subject is approached without bias. definatly children can easily be influenced, and i think we can all see that growing up in a country like america, the heaviest influences will always be secular, humanist ones. you can hardly argue that even in texas there is much cultural pressure to be a christian. so isn't this a good way of balancing that out? if you expose children to many influences, you are lessening the effect any one of them has on them. if you define religion as a system of beliefs, then secularism/humanism/whatever is the most dominant one in western society, and i think many people are 'indoctrinated' into that, because they are never exposed to any alternatives. another way of viewing children is that they have open minds to anything, which can be abused or not. i think this is a good thing because it introduces an alternative to secularism. i think that there's a good chance that many children will become christians due to this, and if you're openminded about it i hope you can see that that can't really be a bad thing. imagine the horror of a world where everyone was committed to 'loving their neighbour as they love themself'... sounds terrible huh? | ||
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NExUS1g
United States254 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 17 2009 19:43 NExUS1g wrote: If you're not talking about the freedom to practice a religion, then you're not talking about a constitutional issue; you're talking about a philosophical one. pretty sure this is a constitutional issue as long as we are talking about public schools taking public funds | ||
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