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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:44 DyEnasTy wrote:
Cool, not sure what most of that meant lol O_O.
Basically a lot of troll responses
I read that there were 4 races/people to choose from. I was talking to my IRL friend today on the phone and told him im gonna give eve a try starting mid november. He tried it a long time ago and couldnt figure anything out so he quit. I told him I got TL backing me up and are gonna teach me how to go from nub -to- noob -to- omghesogosu :D
got him wanting to play again so he is re-downloading.
Races don't matter that much, as you can easily cross train to other racial ships.
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Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory?
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United States7481 Posts
holding territory is basically only good for stroking one's ego
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Has anyone else glanced over the side poll, seen favorite new ___? Looked and saw oracle and thought somehow an eve poll made it into the side bar lol
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i was hoping the naga would be able to use cruise, but who knows torps look cool
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On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory?
Holding territory is what turned Eve 0.0 into the shitty blobfest it is today.
It's expensive to hold, it takes a lot of attention, and you don't get super amazing benefits unless you're super rich.
A small corp has absolutely no reason to hold any territory at all. You can't reap the full benefits from owning 0.0 when you're so small and it's just a lot of unnecessary work. It also ties you down to one area because you have so much invested in it. For most, it's simply not worth the shit you go through.
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More tales from the whiskey hole.
Seems that 100AB Tengu (w/ links) +1 Purifier is fun
Before I begin, hats off to Sergeant RL3. I have a lot to learn from you, and would like to thank you for allowing me to fly and learn form your experience  Your PvP in your 100AB is a pleasure to watch and participate in.
So Serg calls me in SCBW local one day, and ask Chessur- you live in worm hole right? Is there anyone that I can come over and fuck up? I say yes and before you know it, Serg shows up in worm hole space, and joins me in the underworld of eve.
The holies of 308 are rather annoying. Like most pseudo holie PvP players they like to sit on the hole at 0. However this doesn't work so well when there is a 100AB tengu that is very very good at bumping.
Our first victim was an onyx that enjoyed sitting on the hole at 0 with bubble up. I guess he was not too concerned when serg jumped in, flew off the hole to 40K turned around and started to scream right at him. Him not jumping through the hole during those precious seconds, spelled his death.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14495848
During the onyx fight (who is now trapped 20K off the hole) a drake and hyperion decide to show up and crash the party. Sadly, neither of them can break the tengu or my tank (yes i said tank). I grabbed point on the onyx while serg blasted over to the drake, pointed web, and proceeded to rape it.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14495857
At this point the battle was getting too intense for the hyperion (it had not hit one of us) and it jumped out of the hole. I was discussing how this corp had dropped a thanny on me before (yes just 1 recon and a purifier can make them drop carriers...) When the hole shimmered, and out popped the hyperion. Returning from the POS was another onyx. So we engaged again. Hyperion was sitting on 0 off the hole, and was doing nothing- onyx had warped in at 30K away. I grabbed point while serg tried to bump the hyperion off the hole. Then the shit hit the fan.
We had a thanatos drop in out of warp, 30K off the hole and 20K from me. I was worried that it would have heavy neuts, so i burned out of range, while serg immediately dropped his bumping game on the hyperion and took a point on the thanatos. I took a wide 55K orbit and started lobbing torps at the onyx yet again. We were ever so slowly breaking it's tank. In the mean time me and serg were going through all of our intel channels to try and get some support to come and drop this thanny. The thanny started a triage cycle (WTF?) so me and serge tried in vain to dorp the onyx. We were biting down the shield, when another holie member warped to the hole at 50K in his scorpion.
Skirmish links are amazing. I overloaded my prop, burned at him and overloaded my point. Once he was pinned, serg and I had a combined DPS to pop that scorp before it even had a jam cycle off.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14495856
As a final insult, I took the pod as well.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14495855
At this point things were getting a little interesting. We had a triage thanny, and an onyx. I had not planned on this rather extended and heavily tanked fighting. We were 3 Jumps out to HEK, so with the tengu holding a comfortable point on the Thanny (onyx really doing nothing) i took out off out of the hole, to grab more repair paste, torps, and ammo for serg. On the way to Hek serg decided that he had to pee, so while orbiting the thanatos, walked to the bathroom, and then came back. Only a man with true cahones attempts something so brash.
On the way back to the worm hole 1 Jump out to be exact- the unthinkable happened... Serg was jammed.
THE FUCKING ONYX HAD JAMMERS ON IT
Apparently ever since it landed it had been trying to jam out the tengu, and finally got off a single cycle. The thanatos was hot aligned, and insta warped back to the pos to lick it's wounds. After this ass whipping, the holies didn't want to play any more, and they logged out. So me and serg took off through another worm hole to Nul sec.
Acting as scout serg and I shot around some of the populated systems until something decided to come and fight us. In the mena time, serg sniped a munin burning off a gate.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14496177
After that things started getting intense. Russians showed up with a Mach, 2 nano drake, 2 nano cane to fight off serg and I. Our first engagement was rather shaky. Serg had to warp off in 75% armor after the mach shattered his tengu tank.We had thought the day was lost, until I grabbed a warp in on a cane sitting off the gate.
I called out to serge and he punched his tengu into warp. I uncloaked- overheated my point, prop, torps. I was about half way through his shield when serg dropped out of warp 20K of him, and proceeded to quickly drop his ass.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14496657
Just as we were chewing up the last of the canes HP, the rest of his nano gang landed. Let me tell you seeing a mach, drake, drake, cane land about 17K off your bomber is a scary sight indeed. Thankfully the cane was just exploding... so with his lock off I insta cloaked and warped off to safety with serg.
The next day it seemed that serg had a good enough time flying with me, that he decided to log of in hole, and join me in the morning. The day started off slow...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14499739
But started to heat up, once a tengu dropped out of warp to witness the destruction of his industrial friend. i guess this tengu didn't understand that not having a prop mod, and landing 20K from the hole is a bad idea. Serg and I engaged him instantly. Half way through the fight, the enemy tengu realized that he was not breaking serg's tank... so he primed me. To bad for him, his tengu couldn't crack my tank either, and he burned up in a ball of fire only 15K off the worm hole.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14499738
After the tengu loss, shit got serious in worm hole 51. It was time for some RR fun! out of the high sec popped out about 7 RR BS with a armor tanked, and jam fit scorp. Serg tried in vein to bump something off the hole, but they had webs- and the group of RR sniper BS (yes rr on snipers ?!?!!) wasn't moving off the hole. Whats worse- serg was getting perma jammed form the scorp, and even if we could get a lucky bump- there was no way serg could slap his web on the target. So i came up with a plan. Serg alone could not break the RR tank. So i suggested that both of us over heat, and primary the scorp. If we could make that jump through the hole, we could the try to bump and web a BS off the hole. If the scorp was stupid enough to jump back in again, and try to save his friend- he would be locked out of the hole for 2min30sec and me and serg might have a chance at breaking it.
With the plan in hand, I decloaked- and was instantly red boxed by the entire group of BS. Volley after volley began flying around my purifier.... but as expected they were all way off from hitting their target me and serg started to take chunks of armor from the scorp.... when it was about 35% armor left, the scorp jumped, along with the other 5 BS back out to high sec.
F that.
So we moved to hole 308 (the guys who dropped a thanatos on us yesterday) and moved into the static C3 hole. Once inside we noticed a tengu piloted by a pilot i will not name. I had tried to kill this pilot multiple times but, he always had his drake stabbed.... with about 3 of them. we could never hold him. ever ytime I had engadged him, he would always primary me- send his drones on me... in fact i thnk that it was his goal in life to kill me in any way shape or form. Even if that meant sitting on a worm hole at 0 in your stabbed drake....
But today we had a secret weapon- Serg.
The tengu has a cloaky buzzard alt, and the second we popped through the hole, the tengu safed up. (Seemed that we caught him running his 3rd site... all the wrecks were yet to be salvaged.) Then he logged out.
I was livid.
Serg was sitting on the c2 side of the c3 and noticed that there was a falcon at one of the POS... once it disappeared, he postulated that perhaps the tengu might try and burn through the hole, with the tengu jamming him. So i called an SB friend of mine in a hound- and before you knew it we had serg on 0 of the worm hole, and a hound sitting with primed torps about 50K off.
As expected the tengu pilot logged in, and warped to the hole quickly. he jumped through. I sat on the C3 side waiting patiently. On the c2 side it seems that the falcon decloaked and got a face full of missiles.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14500699
serg locked up and pointed the enemy tengu... when it warped back through the worm hole. When it did that- it was all over. it was now sealed out of that worm hole for 2:30.... the worm hole shimmed on my side, so i decloaked and pointed the tengu. Serg and Chey (in his hound) were in tow. The pilot immediately seeing me primed me and let loose. But again a tengu with out a web is not going to break my tank. he lobbed missiles at me the entire time- once he hit about 33% on my MSE my HP sank no lower, and the tengu shattered 10 or so seconds afterwards.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14500698
Thanks to Serg, and Chay howler for flying with me
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On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory?
Along with what Jayme had to say I'll also add: Holding sov as a non-renter requires either a massive numerical resource whereas the hatch is really only about 30-40 people and their alts. Without that you need a combination of diplomacy and willingness to blue. The last time we got involved in an alliance we didn't make, we did so to betray on a joint roam and laugh at them for thinking they were our equals. We also have been very strict with no bluing. We just don't have the stomach for the amount of ass kissing it often takes to not get evicted from sov in null.
If we grew considerably and perhaps recruited other top notch pvpers the only real role in sov holding null we'd ever really attain would probably be a sort of mini PL, in which we didn't hold sov but had brokered 'rights' to choice moons in conquered areas. For perspective, the best moons in eve are Technetium moons, of which pl who hold realistically no sov (occasionally they own a single hang out system gifted to them) they control some 60-70% of those moons, they're also the largest single alliance in terms of super cap fleets.
Amusingly, the vast majority of them only even log on when they get a good merc contract. Those that do play during these lulls in the null wars tend to end up doing goofy things like occupying amamake with a 20+ super cap fleet.
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We can at least rule out that it was the SkyNet pos.
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United States43618 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory?
We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire.
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On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire.
This isn't true lol
Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else.
As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec.
Again, it's all in not being retarded.
You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement.
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Wow, just wow guys. Cant believe what am reading, 0.0 is what makes EVE the game it is. Its not a money generator for individuals, but being a part of something bigger (alliance/corp) is what counts. Player generated content. Lots of hard work too.
Its definetly EVEs endgame no mater how much you want to lie to yourself. But I agree that its impossible for you guys to hold sov, you just dont have resources needed, theres fun to be had in all parts of EVE, but pls dont say that 0.0 sucks.
As I understand it, Hatchery is some kind of a lowsec pirate corp and if that works for you and you have fun then its the right thing to do for you, but dont act like its the best thing to do, cos there is no such thing in EVE as "the best".
Anyways GLHF Hatchery!
Olorin 13, Nulli Secunda.
Amarr victor! :-)
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United States43618 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:42 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire. This isn't true lol Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else. As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec. Again, it's all in not being retarded. You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement.
True, it's probably fairer to say that your average eve idiot in nullsec is no better off than your average eve idiot in hisec and equally your eve genius in nullsec is as disproportionately wealthy as your average eve genius in hisec. That said, 99.9% of people in nullsec are poor.
Also Jayme unless you've been really paying attention to the latest developments in the topic you have no idea about just how much I'm making. Most of the discussion of what we do goes on in the private forums and is only eluded to here but it's multiple billions daily.
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United States43618 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:48 Olorin.SVK wrote:
Wow, just wow guys. Cant believe what am reading, 0.0 is what makes EVE the game it is. Its not a money generator for individuals, but being a part of something bigger (alliance/corp) is what counts. Player generated content. Lots of hard work too.
Its definetly EVEs endgame no mater how much you want to lie to yourself. But I agree that its impossible for you guys to hold sov, you just dont have resources needed, theres fun to be had in all parts of EVE, but pls dont say that 0.0 sucks.
As I understand it, Hatchery is some kind of a lowsec pirate corp and if that works for you and you have fun then its the right thing to do for you, but dont act like its the best thing to do, cos there is no such thing in EVE as "the best".
Anyways GLHF Hatchery!
Olorin 13, Nulli Secunda.
Amarr victor! :-)
We aren't some random lowsec pirate corp. We spend most of our time in nullsec kicking the shit out of the incompetent pilots who live there. We go to VFK and we smash the goons. We go to EC- and we break the camp. We go to CR- and break Get Off My Lawn. We go to L-C and humiliate FA. When we get a fleet up PODLA ask to fly with us.
If we ever wanted sov we could buy it. The wealth of The Hatchery is sufficient to buy every single Hatchery member a nyx. We have the resources for it, if not the pilot numbers. Equally if we wanted sov we could just walk into any alliance you choose to name and ask for a few systems in return for not shooting them anymore and instead shooting their enemies.
Eve is a sandbox and the way they play the game is fine but it is based far more around the metagame, for example the ability to motivate hundreds of pilots into logging on and forming a fleet to achieve a particular goal than it is about individual skill. It's one of the cool things about the game and I certainly appreciate it as an outsider to it but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be part of it.
My point about nullsec sucking was largely regarding it as a place to live. The PvP is generally not that fun, in my opinion at least, as it's pretty blobby because if you live there you are, almost by definition, a part of a blob. The PvE is awful, exploration gives you battleship sized modules which are generally worth much, much less than their cruiser sized versions (ty t3s), ratting is worthless whatever you do, even in a nyx it's pretty awful, moon mining is generally not open to the average grunt and manufacturing is manufacturing. I spend most of my time in null but it's purely in a small gang harassing the locals, I'd not want to be one of them.
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Then again without the 0.0 guys you couldnt be harassing them 
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In other news, my character is finally ready enough to fly a rifter. FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
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On October 27 2011 22:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:42 Jayme wrote:On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire. This isn't true lol Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else. As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec. Again, it's all in not being retarded. You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement. True, it's probably fairer to say that your average eve idiot in nullsec is no better off than your average eve idiot in hisec and equally your eve genius in nullsec is as disproportionately wealthy as your average eve genius in hisec. That said, 99.9% of people in nullsec are poor. Also Jayme unless you've been really paying attention to the latest developments in the topic you have no idea about just how much I'm making. Most of the discussion of what we do goes on in the private forums and is only eluded to here but it's multiple billions daily.
Hahaha, after reading this...
WE ARE THE 99%!!!
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On October 28 2011 00:57 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 22:02 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 21:42 Jayme wrote:On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire. This isn't true lol Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else. As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec. Again, it's all in not being retarded. You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement. True, it's probably fairer to say that your average eve idiot in nullsec is no better off than your average eve idiot in hisec and equally your eve genius in nullsec is as disproportionately wealthy as your average eve genius in hisec. That said, 99.9% of people in nullsec are poor. Also Jayme unless you've been really paying attention to the latest developments in the topic you have no idea about just how much I'm making. Most of the discussion of what we do goes on in the private forums and is only eluded to here but it's multiple billions daily. Hahaha, after reading this... WE ARE THE 99%!!!
Occupy Jita!
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