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On October 27 2011 21:42 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire. This isn't true lol Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else. As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec. Again, it's all in not being retarded. You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement.
Kwark never has liquid isk :p
While it is true that there is money to be made out in null, I highly doubt that a single person, with no support from an alliance, can make the money that Kwark, or even FB and I, are making
I do wish we could show the world what we do, but of course we can't, because the money is too good :p
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Large blasters have quite reasonable ranges for a battlecruiser. A talos with null will get something like 13+20 range on neutrons.
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On October 28 2011 02:13 Mandini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 21:42 Jayme wrote:On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire. This isn't true lol Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else. As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec. Again, it's all in not being retarded. You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement. Kwark never has liquid isk :p While it is true that there is money to be made out in null, I highly doubt that a single person, with no support from an alliance, can make the money that Kwark, or even FB and I, are making I do wish we could show the world what we do, but of course we can't, because the money is too good :p
A single person? I'm pretty sure you're over selling yourself slightly there.
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On October 28 2011 03:18 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 02:13 Mandini wrote:On October 27 2011 21:42 Jayme wrote:On October 27 2011 20:52 KwarK wrote:On October 27 2011 12:52 DyEnasTy wrote:
Ok that makes sense. So why do you guys choose not to have a territory? We earn too much to want to do the bitch work involved. Nullsec is really very inferior for wealth generation if you're not retarded, it is the province of people who don't know how to play. We already exert a considerable amount of control over the adjacent nullsec territories and never attempt to reap the benefits because it would quite simply represent a pay cut for most of us. It's much more fun to terrorise someone else's empire. This isn't true lol Nullsec is where a lot wealth is at. You wouldn't be able to do half of the shit you do with the market if it weren't for the way Nullsec works. I probably gained 90% or so of my isk through specific nullsec jobs that you can't really do anywhere else. As rich as you are there are some big ass freaky tycoons out there with three times your liquid cash amount because of their exploits in Nullsec. Again, it's all in not being retarded. You make a shit ton of cash Kwark but to call Nullsec completely inferior for wealth generation isn't exactly the most true statement. Kwark never has liquid isk :p While it is true that there is money to be made out in null, I highly doubt that a single person, with no support from an alliance, can make the money that Kwark, or even FB and I, are making I do wish we could show the world what we do, but of course we can't, because the money is too good :p A single person? I'm pretty sure you're over selling yourself slightly there.
What do you mean by that, our operations can be run solo. Fb and I don't get hatch support, unless you count tournament money. Kwark gets support from just loans, but if he was more responsible, he wouldn't need those :p
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Your operations rely on others giving you goods, you dont actually do anything that creates wealth. You're just a middlemen.
A ratter makes his isk on his own because it is directly awarded to him when he kills a rat.
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On October 28 2011 02:14 DiracMonopole wrote:Large blasters have quite reasonable ranges for a battlecruiser. A talos with null will get something like 13+20 range on neutrons.
Woah, did not know that. Brb, training hybrids.
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We should be thankful someone wants to go hold Sov. For one thing, besides renting there's just no way in hell Hatchery could do it, Kwark's absurd PR claims to the contrary notwithstanding. I'm sorry, but even if you bought every serious PvPer in Hatch a supercap with attached non-holding character, getting them to grind structures, resist the grinding of their own structures, fuel POSes, is such a hilariously absurd idea that it's nearly impossible to take seriously.
Renting sucks, if you know what you're doing there's plenty of money to be made wherever you are in Eve (besides maybe in the asteroid belts) so there's no need to sanctum whore when you can mission whore/middleman/corp scam/whatever. But, it gives alliances something concrete to go for and it provides moon minerals. So unless Kwark you want everyone to fly t1, someone's got to be out there sucking up all that moon goo.
And of course without those large, space-holding entities which rely on (or at least support) a large playerbase in nullsec, you'd have no constant smashing of incompetent home defense fleets to pad the killboard with.
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Bwahahaha
=D 3000m/s with hyperlink implant, and no links up? Even if you drop the nano its still faster and has better align than a normal cane.
Though I admit now getting to play around with fitting one, they did do a good job of making sure they had less ehp than their t2 counter parts, you lose about 2k if you heat the invuln (couldnt fit a third extender)
Edit : Snaked and quafe with no links just under 4km/s
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On October 28 2011 04:45 Byzantium wrote:
We should be thankful someone wants to go hold Sov. For one thing, besides renting there's just no way in hell Hatchery could do it, Kwark's absurd PR claims to the contrary notwithstanding. I'm sorry, but even if you bought every serious PvPer in Hatch a supercap with attached non-holding character, getting them to grind structures, resist the grinding of their own structures, fuel POSes, is such a hilariously absurd idea that it's nearly impossible to take seriously.
Renting sucks, if you know what you're doing there's plenty of money to be made wherever you are in Eve (besides maybe in the asteroid belts) so there's no need to sanctum whore when you can mission whore/middleman/corp scam/whatever. But, it gives alliances something concrete to go for and it provides moon minerals. So unless Kwark you want everyone to fly t1, someone's got to be out there sucking up all that moon goo.
And of course without those large, space-holding entities which rely on (or at least support) a large playerbase in nullsec, you'd have no constant smashing of incompetent home defense fleets to pad the killboard with.
Maybe with the winter changes it would be worth it, but they would have to be pretty good changes. But for now, it seems odd from our perspective as to why anyone would be stupid enough to hold sov. Sure tech moons are good money, but its a lot of effort to hold them. I would rather stick to what I do now, because its not as much effort, and the only thing I have to get mad about is the retards who bump up buy orders by 20k-200k, only to get instantly .01ed anyways >:[
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On October 28 2011 05:28 Mandini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:45 Byzantium wrote:
We should be thankful someone wants to go hold Sov. For one thing, besides renting there's just no way in hell Hatchery could do it, Kwark's absurd PR claims to the contrary notwithstanding. I'm sorry, but even if you bought every serious PvPer in Hatch a supercap with attached non-holding character, getting them to grind structures, resist the grinding of their own structures, fuel POSes, is such a hilariously absurd idea that it's nearly impossible to take seriously.
Renting sucks, if you know what you're doing there's plenty of money to be made wherever you are in Eve (besides maybe in the asteroid belts) so there's no need to sanctum whore when you can mission whore/middleman/corp scam/whatever. But, it gives alliances something concrete to go for and it provides moon minerals. So unless Kwark you want everyone to fly t1, someone's got to be out there sucking up all that moon goo.
And of course without those large, space-holding entities which rely on (or at least support) a large playerbase in nullsec, you'd have no constant smashing of incompetent home defense fleets to pad the killboard with.
Maybe with the winter changes it would be worth it, but they would have to be pretty good changes. But for now, it seems odd from our perspective as to why anyone would be stupid enough to hold sov. Sure tech moons are good money, but its a lot of effort to hold them. I would rather stick to what I do now, because its not as much effort, and the only thing I have to get mad about is the retards who bump up buy orders by 20k-200k, only to get instantly .01ed anyways >:[
Food for thought, the NC's tech moon holding was about a 2 trillion isk/month revenue system.
Edit: Kwark's amazing ego power trip aside. Null really isn't that awesome for your typical grunt, its about the same isk/hour as blitzing missions at a crummy conversion rate. We're in a really good spot as the hatchery, we have access and knowledge of a myriad of ways to make money. We can easily go smash the bears/lul home defense fleets of big named alliances. However we're still small enough and certainly not enough of a threat for them to actual plop down any of their actual pvp fleets on us. Its a pretty nice place to be.
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On October 28 2011 05:29 abominare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 05:28 Mandini wrote:On October 28 2011 04:45 Byzantium wrote:
We should be thankful someone wants to go hold Sov. For one thing, besides renting there's just no way in hell Hatchery could do it, Kwark's absurd PR claims to the contrary notwithstanding. I'm sorry, but even if you bought every serious PvPer in Hatch a supercap with attached non-holding character, getting them to grind structures, resist the grinding of their own structures, fuel POSes, is such a hilariously absurd idea that it's nearly impossible to take seriously.
Renting sucks, if you know what you're doing there's plenty of money to be made wherever you are in Eve (besides maybe in the asteroid belts) so there's no need to sanctum whore when you can mission whore/middleman/corp scam/whatever. But, it gives alliances something concrete to go for and it provides moon minerals. So unless Kwark you want everyone to fly t1, someone's got to be out there sucking up all that moon goo.
And of course without those large, space-holding entities which rely on (or at least support) a large playerbase in nullsec, you'd have no constant smashing of incompetent home defense fleets to pad the killboard with.
Maybe with the winter changes it would be worth it, but they would have to be pretty good changes. But for now, it seems odd from our perspective as to why anyone would be stupid enough to hold sov. Sure tech moons are good money, but its a lot of effort to hold them. I would rather stick to what I do now, because its not as much effort, and the only thing I have to get mad about is the retards who bump up buy orders by 20k-200k, only to get instantly .01ed anyways >:[ Food for thought, the NC's tech moon holding was about a 2 trillion isk/month revenue system.
It's a lot of isk but equally the NC are a lot of people.
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On October 28 2011 05:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 05:29 abominare wrote:On October 28 2011 05:28 Mandini wrote:On October 28 2011 04:45 Byzantium wrote:
We should be thankful someone wants to go hold Sov. For one thing, besides renting there's just no way in hell Hatchery could do it, Kwark's absurd PR claims to the contrary notwithstanding. I'm sorry, but even if you bought every serious PvPer in Hatch a supercap with attached non-holding character, getting them to grind structures, resist the grinding of their own structures, fuel POSes, is such a hilariously absurd idea that it's nearly impossible to take seriously.
Renting sucks, if you know what you're doing there's plenty of money to be made wherever you are in Eve (besides maybe in the asteroid belts) so there's no need to sanctum whore when you can mission whore/middleman/corp scam/whatever. But, it gives alliances something concrete to go for and it provides moon minerals. So unless Kwark you want everyone to fly t1, someone's got to be out there sucking up all that moon goo.
And of course without those large, space-holding entities which rely on (or at least support) a large playerbase in nullsec, you'd have no constant smashing of incompetent home defense fleets to pad the killboard with.
Maybe with the winter changes it would be worth it, but they would have to be pretty good changes. But for now, it seems odd from our perspective as to why anyone would be stupid enough to hold sov. Sure tech moons are good money, but its a lot of effort to hold them. I would rather stick to what I do now, because its not as much effort, and the only thing I have to get mad about is the retards who bump up buy orders by 20k-200k, only to get instantly .01ed anyways >:[ Food for thought, the NC's tech moon holding was about a 2 trillion isk/month revenue system. It's a lot of isk but equally the NC are a lot of people.
Sure, and only a select few really get access to that money. PL on the other hand is probably one of the only other groups that could give the hatch a run of it money on well money.
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As I understand it some of the guys involved with EOH Poker make the ISK/tick your talking about look like change lost down the back of the sofa
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CogDev (guys behind Blink) also has to be blowing up anything that involved actual production of goods just by the way they've constructed their lotteries. Even if you add up how much they reinvest in the form of promotional stuff, the isk flowing to them directly is mind-boggling.
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Thats because 30% rake is a fucking scam. Its very subtle, but damn thats an epic proportion scale scam.
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Blink is one of those ideas where you're like, damn wish I thought of it first. Still, time investment is a huge thing, those NC leaders had to lead roams/alliance like a 2nd job for a good part to get to where they are now earning that moon money (not that they tech moons anymore). I rather just do regular work IRL and earn a plex and a half every hour.
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motbob
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Third party products don't really count. To get super super rich in EVE you have to fulfill one of three possibilities:
1) Be clever and lucky and find a trading niche
2) Be a leader of a nullsec alliance and rake in the cash from moons/rentees/etc.
3) Create a third-party program
Options 2) and 3) simply aren't possible for the vast majority of EVE players.
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On October 28 2011 06:16 hagon wrote:
As I understand it some of the guys involved with EOH Poker make the ISK/tick your talking about look like change lost down the back of the sofa
Yeah, it's unfortunate but they simply operate on a different scale that is so far beyond us it doesn't really compare. It's just a given that they're unfathomably wealthy so you remove them from the scale before you start considering the rest
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Lalalaland34508 Posts
Curiously, where does EoH make their isk from? I don't remember any taxes etc. Or is it just from people depositing isk and not withdrawing?
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There is a rake on all but the lowest tables. And its decently high too iirc.
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