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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 08:08:29
April 01 2016 08:05 GMT
#781
Played Ch. 7 and 8 of my draft run. Been going slowly since I suddenly got the urge to do another BR Lunatic run as well.

C7 was nothing special since aside from tagging out Effie when Jakob/Avatar come back from the left side, I didn't really change from my usual strategy. Mostly just get Silas going and watch Pally Jakob's effectiveness explode.

Watching C8 Dark Mages futilely try to damage Jakob is hilarious. Didn't need Niles at all to handle them and actually just paired him with Silas so that he could take some of the Dark Mage kills without getting blown up on the subsequent enemy phase.

Need to decide when I want to do Dwyer's Paralogue. Having the XP bump before C10 would be nice, but having to deal with the promoted enemies while lowmanning is non-trivial (--/1 Master Ninjas T_T). I'll definitely do it before C12 so I can have a healer there, but I'm not sure if I want to do it any earlier than that.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 01 2016 13:37 GMT
#782
Finally finished my birthright dead man run, now for the real challenge.

Why is Hans level the hardest in birthright lol? Xander/ganon are a joke. you guys were right when you dont need ryoma at all. Takumi and +4 silver shuriken saizo just ripped through everything.

Apparently there's no endgame like awakening though? Didn't get the option to save and just put me back at the fight before ganon in my save state...
I come in for the scraps
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
April 01 2016 15:33 GMT
#783
On April 01 2016 22:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
Finally finished my birthright dead man run, now for the real challenge.

Why is Hans level the hardest in birthright lol? Xander/ganon are a joke. you guys were right when you dont need ryoma at all. Takumi and +4 silver shuriken saizo just ripped through everything.

Apparently there's no endgame like awakening though? Didn't get the option to save and just put me back at the fight before ganon in my save state...

Endgame is technically its own chapter, but no you don't get to save.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 17:04:25
April 01 2016 17:03 GMT
#784
Ended up unlocking both shigure and ophelias map on chapter 14, and the power spike from bolt axe and 3 broken tomes is real. Chapter 12 Felicia getting the flame shuriken for the +2 speed was kind of hilarious and she ended up being able to reliably double and kill Ryouma for the extra skill book while being able to double both saizou and kagerou. I have her switched to strategist now to pick up the two skills, but am likely just switching back later for the +2 speed on flame shuriken.

I was able to clear ophelia's map getting all items, but am kind of thinking of redoing it, getting vantage on Odin first. Not quite sure, as getting two levels on Odin is kind of a pain right now.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 17:36:04
April 01 2016 17:24 GMT
#785
On April 01 2016 22:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
Why is Hans level the hardest in birthright lol? Xander/ganon are a joke. you guys were right when you dont need ryoma at all. Takumi and +4 silver shuriken saizo just ripped through everything.

Ryoma's dominance in Birthright is comparable to Seth's in FE8: just because he's so much better than everyone else doesn't mean the game isn't still really easy without him.

EDIT: Also, this draft playthrough means yet another Conquest run where I don't get to capture the Ch. 23 rallyman.
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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
April 01 2016 19:02 GMT
#786
I had no idea Shigure's chapter gave so much experience. Kind of ridiculous given how early you can have access to it. I was able to get Benny, Odin, and Corrin promoted on that map.

I did decide to go back and get vantage on Odin before doing Ophelia's map, and am currently almost broke, but with enough funds to last until the 10k infusion in Ch 14. I didn't need the hammer apparently, but I suppose it might be useful on Benny. Odin is back to Dark Knight.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
April 01 2016 19:33 GMT
#787
How do you guys handle silver weapons? I'm not quite sure if the debuff stacks. Is it worth it even if permanently affected by the debuff? Or do you have to cycle the lead character in a pair up constantly to get the best use out of it?

Right now, I'm mostly using iron and steel.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
April 01 2016 19:51 GMT
#788
Pretty much just boss killer weapons for me. The effect stacks so it's not going to be worth it in general of you need to use it more than 2 or 3 times consecutively.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 20:34:47
April 01 2016 20:11 GMT
#789
The debuff stacks but falls off at the same rate as other debuffs (1 of each stat per turn).

They're pretty much exclusively relegated to boss kill weapons because they compare super unfavorably to Iron and Steel Forges of equivalent cost.

For example, given that Iron Swords cost 1000, Steel Swords cost 2000, and Silver Swords cost 4000:
- An unforged Silver Sword has 12 Mt 90 Hit
- A +1 Steel Sword has 11 Mt 85 Hit
- A +2 Iron Sword has 10 Mt 92 Hit

Even after ONE instance of the debuff, a Silver Sword no longer has any advantage over an Iron or Steel forge of equivalent cost. Not to mention the player phase kill potential of Brave weapons or the potential use of effective weaponry where applicable.

While I would largely consider the removal of weapon durability and horizontal weapon balance to be successes in general, the balance of the debuff weapons is one of the more questionable points--both Silvers and S-rank weapons tend to fall short of giving you enough payoff to be worth using compared to Iron and Steel forges.

EDIT: Although part of the problem is how the forging mechanic was implemented at all in Fates. Particularly for low rank forges, the amount of gain for forging +1/+2 Irons/Steels is incredibly high compared to the low cost, and is really only gated by the tedium of either using My Castle to farm forging materials, or using arena+ore swap to do so. While FE11-13 forging is heavily abusable (lol +6 Wing Spear), I'm not convinced that IS has perfected the alternative and would like them to try doing something different still in FE15.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 01 2016 20:25 GMT
#790
While somewhat unrelated, I would like to mention that one time I was fighting a boss with a silver weapon. I beat on him so much that he suffered penalties of -48 strength and -48 skill. Sadly, he couldn't go below 0 in those respective stats, but he was an extreme pushover.

I'm not a fan of silver weapons though. I don't like tacking on debuffs to my army if I can avoid it. That being said, Berserkers axe can lead to some fun (and tense!) situations sometimes.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 02 2016 16:40 GMT
#791
Well finally beat Conquest. I get the complaints about the story, + Show Spoiler +
not sure why Corrin couldn't do anything to actually do anything to change Nohr until the end. I expected there to be a civil war within the story, but instead Corrin just does exactly what Garon wants as a way to defeat Garon? Then it turns out Garon isn't even the final villain but it's a posses Takumi for some reason.


I'm thinking about doing another Conquest run to try out different characters and play the game more optimally even though I'll still be using the same difficulty, hard. Though I guess I should just play Birthright.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 02 2016 19:33 GMT
#792
On April 03 2016 01:40 BlackMagister wrote:
Well finally beat Conquest. I get the complaints about the story, + Show Spoiler +
not sure why Corrin couldn't do anything to actually do anything to change Nohr until the end. I expected there to be a civil war within the story, but instead Corrin just does exactly what Garon wants as a way to defeat Garon? Then it turns out Garon isn't even the final villain but it's a posses Takumi for some reason.


I'm thinking about doing another Conquest run to try out different characters and play the game more optimally even though I'll still be using the same difficulty, hard. Though I guess I should just play Birthright.

Story:+ Show Spoiler +
Yango and I were talking last night and we both came to the conclusion that it wasn't fantastic. I haven't actually beaten the game myself (I'm on Chapter 27) but it doesn't surprise me that Takumi is the final villain. I don't think he's possessed though because I think he's vile enough on his own to warrant him being a final boss. I think a civil war would have been an interesting idea, but I think it would have been more interesting if Garon was just evil and not some sort of monster. I guess I don't like their attempt to make everything black and white when they had some real opportunities to include some shades of grey.


Also you should try Conquest with different characters. I know personally there were some characters that I'd like to use but never got around to doing so. I don't think I'll ever not use Arthur, Effie and Percy though. That's the dream right there. I need to try Leo and Niles though, because I did't use them my first run through.

Also why play Birthright when you can play Revelations?
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-02 19:38:18
April 02 2016 19:37 GMT
#793
Conquest's story is super contrived. Rev is slightly less contrived until they get to Valla and then it goes downhill fast. Birthright's is the most coherent.

Basically anything related to the Invisible Kingdom and Anankos feels super contrived and tacked on, and the story would have functioned better with all references to it removed and just with a more down-to-earth plot.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 02 2016 19:42 GMT
#794
While I can't fairly assess the story of Birthright as I haven't played it, I find it hard to imagine it being anything more than "Hey they're attacking us! We have to defend ourselves!".

Not that that would be a bad thing or anything, I just don't see it going much further than that. That being said that sounds like it would be a plausible and real plot.

I should mention that typically I don't play Fire Emblem games for the plot.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 02 2016 19:45 GMT
#795
At a base level, that's what it is, but its individual character arcs do a lot to develop the Nohrian royals.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
April 02 2016 20:10 GMT
#796
On April 03 2016 04:42 Frudgey wrote:
While I can't fairly assess the story of Birthright as I haven't played it, I find it hard to imagine it being anything more than "Hey they're attacking us! We have to defend ourselves!".

Not that that would be a bad thing or anything, I just don't see it going much further than that. That being said that sounds like it would be a plausible and real plot.

I should mention that typically I don't play Fire Emblem games for the plot.

Basically Birthright is "King Garon is evil. Let's go kill him. Join us Nohrians, because you are actually pretty good and well written characters."
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
April 02 2016 20:28 GMT
#797
I liked Birthright for the overall character developments. I felt that you learned more about how each character grew during the story where as Conquest was more about how naive the Avatar was until the end.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 02 2016 20:30 GMT
#798
I remember when I first picked up Conquest I read something about changing a corrupt kingdom from the inside. At first I thought they were talking about Hoshido, and that Nohr was invading so that they could change Hoshido from the inside because secretly they were corrupt.

I was a little disappointed to learn that this was not the case.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-02 20:39:10
April 02 2016 20:37 GMT
#799
On April 03 2016 05:28 Alventenie wrote:
I liked Birthright for the overall character developments. I felt that you learned more about how each character grew during the story where as Conquest was more about how naive the Avatar was until the end.

Conquest is about + Show Spoiler +
Azura's magic crystal ball showing the Avatar that Garon happens to be a goo monster and their quest to go to Hoshido and make him sit on the Hoshidan magic chair that just happens to exist and turn Garon back into the goo monster that he is.

When in fact the Avatar could have just brought his siblings to the Infinite Chasm, jumped off, and come back in like 5 minutes to show them he wasn't crazy. But apparently it's easier to march halfway across the world, start a war, and kill thousands of people just to make the goo monster sit on the magic chair.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 02 2016 20:39 GMT
#800
On April 03 2016 05:37 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2016 05:28 Alventenie wrote:
I liked Birthright for the overall character developments. I felt that you learned more about how each character grew during the story where as Conquest was more about how naive the Avatar was until the end.

Conquest is about + Show Spoiler +
Azura's magic crystal ball showing the Avatar that Garon happens to be a goo monster and their quest to go to Hoshido and make him sit on the Hoshidan magic chair that just happens to exist and turn Garon back into the goo monster that he is.

When in fact the Avatar could have just brought his siblings to the Infinite Chasm, jumped off, and come back in like 5 minutes to show them he wasn't crazy.

I think the thing I like the most about this is that it makes you really question who the real villain of the game is.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
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